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Shed Skin - A Naruto Time Travel Quest

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I know there were some doubters on Hiruzen taking out Danzo so I just wanted to address that.

Firstly, why would Danzo even suspect Hiruzen of coming after him? At this point in time Hiruzen pretty firmly let Danzo do whatever the fuck he wanted, which caused Danzo to think of Hiruzen as soft. Of lacking the balls to do the hard thing.

Secondly, Hiruzen isn't even technically Hokage right now. It's gonna be a shock to Danzo when he turns up at ROOT and just starts breaking shit.

Oh, and also. Just for good measure. This Hiruzen is from just after the Third Shinobi War. He's 12 years younger than what we see in Part 1.

So, in summary. Hiruzen is gonna wreck Danzo, who won't know what hit him.
 
Ian Drash said:
I'm not sure why people want to be the Hokage. Orochimaru has already been the Best Kage in the Elemental Nations. He built up a hidden village from scratch. Taking over Konoha wouldn't be interesting for him. He wants to do something he never done before. Would he have time for Sage training as the Post-Kyuubi Hogake? Could he do his experiments in peace under that scrutiny? Why would he want to be the Hokage?
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I'm conflicted, but leaning towards ambivalent. Being the Hokage puts you in some pretty epic company, but I think the ideal situation for Orochimaru is how canon ended: him as an immortal mad scientist left untroubled in his lab by the powers that be.

So I'd be fine with Minato dying, but equally okay with being a Konoha-affiliated out-of-village badass (like Tsunade) that Minato has nominal authority over.
 
Also i don't know if this has been said or not but...do you really expect for Minato to survive even if we are there? He's going to be fighting a Bijuu, and the only real way to beat one in this type of situation is to seal them, and what seal is strong enough to stop the strongest of them all tha Minato is going to use (at least to seal half of it)? The ripper seal, which kills the user, so even if we help Minato, he's going to die at using that seal, and that's not reason enough for me to enter Obito's black list when we are actually weakened now and Obito can kill us whenever he wants with his Kamui + Sharingan genjutsu (like Itachi proved in canon). So yeah, it's not worthy.
 
Ysmir01 said:
Also i don't know if this has been said or not but...do you really expect for Minato to survive even if we are there? He's going to be fighting a Bijuu, and the only real way to beat one in this type of situation is to seal them, and what seal is strong enough to stop the strongest of them all tha Minato is going to use (at least to seal half of it)? The ripper seal, which kills the user, so even if we help Minato, he's going to die at using that seal, and that's not reason enough for me to enter Obito's black list when we are actually weakened now and Obito can kill us whenever he wants with his Kamui + Sharingan genjutsu (like Itachi proved in canon). So yeah, it's not worthy.
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Because stupidity happened in that fight, in that Kushina and Minato threw themselves onto the claw of the Kyubbi to protect Naruto. With stronger fighters there Naruto's endangerment goes down, meaning they don't get injured in the first place meaning they can fight longer. Orochimaru and Jiraiya also weren't at that fight in canon, so at minimum you have more gigantic summons fighting instead of just Gamabunta.

The Shikigami seal also doesn't have to be used by Minato, it can be used by anyone who knows of it.
 
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Neptune said:
Because stupidity happened in that fight, in that Kushina and Minato threw themselves onto the claw of the Kyubbi to protect Naruto. With stronger fighters there Naruto's endangerment goes down, meaning they don't get injured in the first place meaning they can fight longer. Orochimaru and Jiraiya also weren't at that fight in canon, so at minimum you have more gigantic summons fighting instead of just Gamabunta.
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Still the possibilitie of making an enemy of Obito and of us dying in that fight are high, and it's not worthy the outcome of it if it's the same.

Neptune said:
The Shikigami seal also doesn't have to be used by Minato, it can be used by anyone who knows of it.
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Only three people know it, and those are a) Hiruzen, who is killing root right now b) Orochimaru, like hell we are doing it c) Minato, same outcome as canon.
 
Not sure if we can really save Minato (the really good bijuu seals might all require the sealer's sacrifice). Still, I prefer not to meddle in Tobi's initial attack. Not only do we not have a single excuse to visit them now (we're not a fucking midwife), we have IC no idea who exactly was involved in that mess, only that they were good enough to circumvent Minato Namikaze and stall him for a while, which is no mean feat. Hell, with Tobi's teleportation, he might call on additional reinforcements if he sees that the opposition is too great. Like some of the Akatsuki if he has subverted them already, or Zetsu clones, or even Yagura. Heh. That would be a twist.

And we aren't at our best at the moment, both because we're still not used to the body and because we're tired, so we should be more conservative. Still, it will be interesting to see how our presence affects the fight with the Kyuubi and the aftermath. Maybe we'll be able to keep Minato and/or Kushina alive despite everything?

Corvus Black said:
You saying you'd decline it if given the option?

Considering Orochimaru wanted, IC, to be Hokage, that seems OOC.
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That was long ago, and he's already experienced being a Kage, so it's not that big a deal. In the second snippet he explicitly weighs the benefits of blaming Danzo and thinks that whether he wants the hat or not it would be beneficial, which implies that there isn't a strong attachment to the position.
 
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Unelemental said:
That was long ago, and he's already experienced being a Kage, so it's not that big a deal. Hell, in the second snippet he explicitly weighs the benefits of blaming Danzo and thinks that whether he wants the hat or not it would be beneficial, which implies that there isn't a strong attachment to the position.
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Being Kage of a minor village in no way compares to being Kage of one of the Great Five.
 
Corvus Black said:
Dude, the Hokage position is a dictatorship.

The way Hiruzen ran Konoha has no bearing on how Orochimaru will run Konoha.
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And all the other S-Rankers and clans will just sit by and watch as he runs those fun experiments? He isn't limited by some stupid laws, but by the people and their mentality (the 'Will of Fire', such as it is). What exactly would he need to be Hokage for, compared to running his own minor village?
 
Unelemental said:
And all the other S-Rankers and clans will just sit by and watch as he runs those fun experiments? He isn't limited by some stupid laws, but by the people and their mentality (the 'Will of Fire', such as it is). What exactly would he need to be Hokage for, compared to running his own minor village?
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...You realize the only reason for Oto's existence is Orochimaru being denied the Hokage position and then being self-exiled from Konoha, right?

He also already knows the results of his experiments, so knows who he has to kidnap for what experiments. We're now talking a handful of people as opposed to hundreds.
 
Corvus Black said:
...You realize the only reason for Oto's existence is Orochimaru being denied the Hokage position and then being self-exiled from Konoha, right?

He also already knows the results of his experiments, so knows who he has to kidnap for what experiments. We're now talking a handful of people as opposed to hundreds.
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It's not like he doesn't have new exciting experiments in mind that could benefit from test subjects. And if not for that, why in the blazes would we take the job? Orochimaru's past tantrums (that he's already taken out on Hiruzen and Konoha) aren't exactly a big motivator.
 
Unelemental said:
It's not like he doesn't have new exciting experiments in mind that could benefit from test subjects. And if not for that, why in the blazes would we take the job? Orochimaru's past tantrums (that he's already taken out on Hiruzen and Konoha) aren't exactly a big motivator.
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Why wouldn't he take it?

Being the Kage of one of the Great Five is one of the most powerful and respected titles/positions in the world, and Orochimaru is an ambitious fuck who likes being revered.
 
[X] Stay with Jiraiya for now. The two of you should be able to mitigate the Kyuubi, when it attacks.

I want to see an orochi fight the kyuubi.
 
Corvus Black said:
Why wouldn't he take it?

Being the Kage of one of the Great Five is one of the most powerful and respected titles/positions in the world, and Orochimaru is an ambitious fuck who likes being revered.
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He's already being revered (one of the Sannin), and can easily accrue even more fame and respect (with a healthy dose of fear) thanks to his foreknowledge if he wants. No need to shackle himself to the position for that.

Now power, knowledge and immortality? Those are things really dear to his heart.
 
Why do you want Orochimaru to become hokage ?

Just one week after becoming one he will be so bored that he will go the fuck away to do his experiment in peace.

Konoha need an Hokage active to deal with the clans. Not like sound.


[X] Visit the Fourth Hokage and his wife. You've always wondered what happened to her that broke the seal.
-[X] It might be a good idea to have Jiraya with you for this.
 
Let's not risk our lives fighting when we don't need to.

[X] Stay with Jiraiya for now. The two of you should be able to mitigate the Kyuubi, when it attacks.

Corvus Black said:
Why wouldn't he take it?

Being the Kage of one of the Great Five is one of the most powerful and respected titles/positions in the world, and Orochimaru is an ambitious fuck who likes being revered.
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But he likes Science and Power (Ninjutsu wise) more. Becoming Hokage leave's much less time for that, along with all our other goals. Like, his first and formost, gaining a new immortality technique. Plus, it has been, for Orichimaru, 15 years. Have you considered that he might have gotten over it, like he did in canon?
 
I don't see the problem with making Orochimaru a little bit ooc, why? because of the situation he is in. if any body with half a brain was sent back in time to a younger point of their life, they would change or a least attempt to change their past mistakes and become a better person, than they previously were. pretty much turning into a different person over a few day's to weeks in the eye's of the people that know you best. there's nothing wrong with Orochimaru changing his life goals or ambitions in his second play through of life, and try new things. not saying if he was given the chance he wouldn't take the hat, but he'll way in his options before accepting them. plus with his knowledge he can do a lot more interesting thing.
 
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Dark Ness said:
But he likes Science and Power (Ninjutsu wise) more. Becoming Hokage leave's much less time for that, along with all our other goals. Like, his first and formost, gaining a new immortality technique. Plus, it has been, for Orichimaru, 15 years. Have you considered that he might have gotten over it, like he did in canon?
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Gotten over it? What?

Why the hell do you think Oto exists?
 
[X] Visit the Fourth Hokage and his wife. You've always wondered what happened to her that broke the seal.
-[X] It might be a good idea to have Jiraya with you for this.
 
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