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Touch of Sepia said:
People do what is "right" because it's been ingrained into them by the cause and effect model of society. Humans are social creatures and if one is seen as threatening, the others will hide from them or keep their heads down till another powerful human galvanized a mob mentality or throws them down directly. As has been shown by murders and rapes committed in front of dozens of witnesses who do nothing. We are not good because of a "soul", we are not good because of evolution, we are only good because we learn it from social constructs. A baby is taught that hitting mommy or daddy with result in a stronger force (mom or dad) inflicting inconvenience or pain, that stealing results in the loss of things you want rather than free yums, and destroying other peoples property results in the destruction of one's own or loss of supper.

Is it "good" to practice female circumcision, as some places in the world do, is it "evil"? It is a social contrivance that is looked down on by Western Powers and thus, social pressures are going to end it's practice. One could call the West civilized, enlightened or wise - but the reality is that they are just enforcing their will on others because they got the hebegebees. Afterall, there have been no movements against penile subincision to my knowledge. Even the enlightened West has been flirting with injections of silicone and saline into the breasts, ass and penis - which results in loss of sensitivity, medical complications and in some cases inability to perform. Humans annex land, manipulate political puppets, drag each other into wars with strong arm tactics, use debt and sanction (which lowers the standard of living drastically for the common people) to cripple other global actors. People will do "evil" things when they can get away with it, or when punishment is not actually practiced. Road rage, throwing trash out the window, torrenting (mentioned in this very thread some pages back) - all of these are done in mass because punishment is not enforced.
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First of all, you're not a special snowflake for ascribing to moral relativism. Kindly tone down the preach attitude.

Secondly, if there is no inherent morality in your preferred version of exalted.

1) you literally just have to say so. No one is asking you to justify your stance.

2) That's kinda the default for Exalted.
 
Aleph said:
Actually no, it's generally "in addition to" the motes, not "instead of", because otherwise someone like Keris with the Kimbery Mythos Exultant is having to choose between 4m or 1wp regen and 1lhl regen, and paying 4m or 1wp for 1lhl is a shitty trade, especially when you spent 8xp for the privilege of doing so. So instead it's just additional benefits, which is why Keris heals like an nWerewolf while aura-flaring and can run away if she's losing a fight and come back mostly-healed-up a few minutes later unless you have some way of doing Agg damage to her.
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Interesting. This seems counter the the thought process during TAW, where healing was made much more expensive due to cheap healing being inordinately powerful. Was that position reconsidered?
 
Chloe Sullivan said:
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First of all, you're not a special snowflake for ascribing to moral relativism. Kindly tone down the preach attitude.

Secondly, if there is no inherent morality in your preferred version of exalted.

1) you literally just have to say so. No one is asking you to justify your stance.

2) That's kinda the default for Exalted.
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Note, my post was in response to a "preach attitude" - follow the link to the comic. I was called "son" for cripes sakes.

In relation to #1 & #2, I absolutely had to justify my stance with Revlid.
 
C.o.S.a.R said:
Interesting. This seems counter the the thought process during TAW, where healing was made much more expensive due to cheap healing being inordinately powerful. Was that position reconsidered?
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Well, to an extent it's more allowable with Infernals because Keris is inherently a Creature of Darkness and thus anyone with Holy Charms or equivalents thereupon (eg: Solars, TAW Lunars, quite a lot of Dragonblooded) can easily do Agg damage to her (if they can hit her) which she can't just heal, while the list of things that can deal Agg damage to non Creatures of Darkness is rather smaller and more specialised.

(Keris has not yet encountered the Holy keyword, and probably won't enjoy doing so if and when it finally comes up.)
 
Touch of Sepia said:
http://internetsarcasm.com/

There is no tone, body language or relationship between us. Also, see Poe's Law.
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Tone can totally be conveyed in written form.

What there is, hundreds of pages of, in fact, is CONTEXT.

You jump into this thread with an arrogant attitude, and don't realize that you're talking down to one of the best known, most respected people in the exalted fan community. (Revlid's Exalted homebrew is very highly regarded.)

We're getting such a wonderful impression of you from this. (See, tone.)
 
Chloe Sullivan said:
Tone can totally be conveyed in written form.

What there is, hundreds of pages of, in fact, is CONTEXT.

You jump into this thread with an arrogant attitude, and don't realize that you're talking down to one of the best known, most respected people in the exalted fan community. (Revlid's Exalted homebrew is very highly regarded.)

We're getting such a wonderful impression of you from this. (See, tone.)
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I know all about his awesomness. I've said as much, I use his things and brag about him all over the place as a pioneer and savior of Exalted in 2E . That I don't act like a fan boy and agree with everything said does not mean I have no respect for him, in my mind, it means I have even more respect for him. All I've said is that I have to respectfully disagree with his stance on the tone of the game in this instance - that is all. Even then, only in regards to *my* Creation - not everyone's.

However, I am getting a wonderful impression of you from this, making false accusations and being a blind cheerleader. One gets the feeling you do not even read the posts. I understand that this forum is a clique and you are gonna take your buddies side, cool, I was just trying to work on some of my own home brew. Did not come here to get a hot and heavy plop on my head, would have thought this community would be more conscious of such things considering, but I'll head back off into lurk mode to work alone. :ninja:
 
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Touch of Sepia said:
*snip*
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Look, I appreciate what you're trying to say, but moral relativism
a) is not a particularly new concept to most of the people here
b) does not preclude the existence of entities or philosophies inimical to human life
c) only works up to a certain point before it becomes unsatisfying in story terms

I suggest you tone it down a notch, maybe?

Touch of Sepia said:
Now, you're taking his excellency as canon material.
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No, I'm not.

I referred someone else to an Excellency Reminiscent Oasis wrote, since they requested it.

Then I wrote my own Charm for Qaf, based on my understanding of him.

Then I rebutted you on a largely separate issue.

Also, those Charms aren't Reminiscent Oasis' - he only ever wrote the Excellency, as part of a big dump of Yozi Excellencies. They were well-written, but did have a bit of an issue with being really gameable. He wasn't writing them as part of a Charmset, though, which mitigates that.

Touch of Sepia said:
The only thing official about Qaf is that he's a big ass mountain with rings of black nacre in a white padded room.
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Plague of Hats said:
What is known of, or closely associated with, Qaf:

• Compass: Malfeas, p. 118: "...the gates of black nacre that lead to Qaf, the Heaven-Violating Spear—a mountain with no base and no summit. Upon the slopes of Qaf, across countless verdant terraces..."

• There is a Qaf-aspected hearthstone in The Broken-Winged Crane.

• Ink Monkeys, Vol. 41: In the story of the Engine Rising to the Wounded Sky, it is told how Isidoros tried to race to the top of Qaf. He left off, but his last hoofprint races on, because Isidoros will not be stopped. The Engine is a manse in that hoofprint.

• Ink Monkeys, Vol. 44 includes more Qaf-aspected hearthstones.

• Ink Monkeys, Vol. 46 discusses Qaf-based geomancy, and also has a section that is all about Qaf itself.
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Chloe Sullivan said:
Revlid's Exalted homebrew is very highly regarded.
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As much as I appreciate the compliment, let's please not move into that sort of territory.
 
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Touch of Sepia said:
All I've said is that I have to respectfully disagree with his stance on the tone of the game in this instance - that is all. Even then, only in regards to *my* Creation - not everyone's.
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Lying doesn't make you look any better, bub.

Your tone was very clear. You used very superior, universal phrasing. You stated a stance of "both sides of the primordial war are equally moral," not solely as a humble note about your own setting, but as an arrogant mark of honor - a clearly implied piece of self-aggrandizement.

We could all tell, and your falling back on "emotionless, context blind robot" reading as a defense just makes you seem dishonest in addition to overweening.

Touch of Sepia said:
being a blind cheerleader.
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If you're going to complain about people making accusations at you, undercutting your claim by doing it yourself is not a great idea.


Have they released much about the Dreaming Sea in 3e yet? I'm thinking it probably involves a fair amount of Raksha. Or drugs. Or both.
 
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Kerisgame! In which Keris does further unwise things involving Primordials, manages not to have a fight with Sasi by means of a fucking amazing Temperance roll and some hastily improvised roleplaying, is loopy and has mood swings from soul-dizziness that she mostly keeps a lid on due to aforementioned Temperance roll, makes said soul-dizziness worse, and forces me to remove twenty fucking minutes of OOC debate on exactly which Attribute is used for painting (ES eventually decided it was Cognition, thus unfairly robbing me out of two dice that were rightfully mine, bah.)

Incidentally, and on a vaguely related topic; I'm not 100% sure how many people are still reading these logs or how many of them enjoy the Tiger Empire and pantheon that Keris is building up around her, so I just want to take a quick poll. If I were hypothetically considering a "Krisity Quest" set in her Tiger Empire, in which Keris would not appear at all, that would be focused on a First Circle protagonist and almost entirely dealing with homebrew First Circles in a homebrew environment using a largely-homebrew system, would there be any interest in playing it? Or to shorten it to an elevator pitch; "Exalted demon game, but with a setting and species that aren't just unfamiliar, but are in fact entirely novel".
 
Aleph said:
Incidentally, and on a vaguely related topic; I'm not 100% sure how many people are still reading these logs or how many of them enjoy the Tiger Empire and pantheon that Keris is building up around her, so I just want to take a quick poll. If I were hypothetically considering a "Krisity Quest" set in her Tiger Empire, in which Keris would not appear at all, that would be focused on a First Circle protagonist and almost entirely dealing with homebrew First Circles in a homebrew environment using a largely-homebrew system, would there be any interest in playing it? Or to shorten it to an elevator pitch; "Exalted demon game, but with a setting and species that aren't just unfamiliar, but are in fact entirely novel".
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Fervently yes to both the 'still reading the logs' and 'play as demon' questions.
 
Aleph said:
Incidentally, and on a vaguely related topic; I'm not 100% sure how many people are still reading these logs or how many of them enjoy the Tiger Empire and pantheon that Keris is building up around her, so I just want to take a quick poll. If I were hypothetically considering a "Krisity Quest" set in her Tiger Empire, in which Keris would not appear at all, that would be focused on a First Circle protagonist and almost entirely dealing with homebrew First Circles in a homebrew environment using a largely-homebrew system, would there be any interest in playing it? Or to shorten it to an elevator pitch; "Exalted demon game, but with a setting and species that aren't just unfamiliar, but are in fact entirely novel".
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All of my yes.
 
Aleph said:
Incidentally, and on a vaguely related topic; I'm not 100% sure how many people are still reading these logs or how many of them enjoy the Tiger Empire and pantheon that Keris is building up around her, so I just want to take a quick poll. If I were hypothetically considering a "Krisity Quest" set in her Tiger Empire, in which Keris would not appear at all, that would be focused on a First Circle protagonist and almost entirely dealing with homebrew First Circles in a homebrew environment using a largely-homebrew system, would there be any interest in playing it? Or to shorten it to an elevator pitch; "Exalted demon game, but with a setting and species that aren't just unfamiliar, but are in fact entirely novel".
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All of my yes as well. :p
 
Aleph said:
Kerisgame! In which Keris does further unwise things involving Primordials, manages not to have a fight with Sasi by means of a fucking amazing Temperance roll and some hastily improvised roleplaying, is loopy and has mood swings from soul-dizziness that she mostly keeps a lid on due to aforementioned Temperance roll, makes said soul-dizziness worse, and forces me to remove twenty fucking minutes of OOC debate on exactly which Attribute is used for painting (ES eventually decided it was Cognition, thus unfairly robbing me out of two dice that were rightfully mine, bah.)

Incidentally, and on a vaguely related topic; I'm not 100% sure how many people are still reading these logs or how many of them enjoy the Tiger Empire and pantheon that Keris is building up around her, so I just want to take a quick poll. If I were hypothetically considering a "Krisity Quest" set in her Tiger Empire, in which Keris would not appear at all, that would be focused on a First Circle protagonist and almost entirely dealing with homebrew First Circles in a homebrew environment using a largely-homebrew system, would there be any interest in playing it? Or to shorten it to an elevator pitch; "Exalted demon game, but with a setting and species that aren't just unfamiliar, but are in fact entirely novel".
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I read it and I might want to participate, time allowing, if not I'd likely like to read it for the worldbuilding if nothing else.
 
Aleph said:
Kerisgame! In which Keris does further unwise things involving Primordials, manages not to have a fight with Sasi by means of a fucking amazing Temperance roll and some hastily improvised roleplaying, is loopy and has mood swings from soul-dizziness that she mostly keeps a lid on due to aforementioned Temperance roll, makes said soul-dizziness worse, and forces me to remove twenty fucking minutes of OOC debate on exactly which Attribute is used for painting (ES eventually decided it was Cognition, thus unfairly robbing me out of two dice that were rightfully mine, bah.)

Incidentally, and on a vaguely related topic; I'm not 100% sure how many people are still reading these logs or how many of them enjoy the Tiger Empire and pantheon that Keris is building up around her, so I just want to take a quick poll. If I were hypothetically considering a "Krisity Quest" set in her Tiger Empire, in which Keris would not appear at all, that would be focused on a First Circle protagonist and almost entirely dealing with homebrew First Circles in a homebrew environment using a largely-homebrew system, would there be any interest in playing it? Or to shorten it to an elevator pitch; "Exalted demon game, but with a setting and species that aren't just unfamiliar, but are in fact entirely novel".
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Yeah, I'd at least lurk the quest, and these updates are one of my favorite things here. Of course, I'm the one who originally asked you to start posting them, so that should be obvious.
 
Aleph said:
Incidentally, and on a vaguely related topic; I'm not 100% sure how many people are still reading these logs or how many of them enjoy the Tiger Empire and pantheon that Keris is building up around her, so I just want to take a quick poll. If I were hypothetically considering a "Krisity Quest" set in her Tiger Empire, in which Keris would not appear at all, that would be focused on a First Circle protagonist and almost entirely dealing with homebrew First Circles in a homebrew environment using a largely-homebrew system, would there be any interest in playing it? Or to shorten it to an elevator pitch; "Exalted demon game, but with a setting and species that aren't just unfamiliar, but are in fact entirely novel".
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I certainly would! I mean just read my name. I live and breath for Infernal stuff!

Especially demons, they're probably my third part of the franchise after Infernals and Hellstriders.
 
Actually, speaking of new stuff. What's the minimum age where it would be possible to Exalt? I'm thinking around 12-13, when a person would begin to be able to contribute to a war (which was what the Exalted were made to do).

I've got an idea for someone younger Exalting as a Infernal (A Princess who chose to surrender rather than fight or run or anything, and was then chosen by Malfeas.) But I'd rather not bend the setting too much.
 
greensun said:
Actually, speaking of new stuff. What's the minimum age where it would be possible to Exalt? I'm thinking around 12-13, when a person would begin to be able to contribute to a war (which was what the Exalted were made to do).

I've got an idea for someone younger Exalting as a Infernal (A Princess who chose to surrender rather than fight or run or anything, and was then chosen by Malfeas.) But I'd rather not bend the setting too much.
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There was some discussion about this a while back, and I believe that the general consensus was that is is possible, but very unusual, even by Exalted standards.

The reasoning being that Exaltations will pick the best possible candidate to wield its power at that point in time, as well as favouring 'baseline' humans. So if given a choice between several candidates, the Exaltation goes for the one in need of its power at that moment, in the prime of their life, willing to use it, and preferably not an Essence user. If you want someone who doesn't fit one of those categories, they need to be really exceptional.

In your idea, the princess would need to be a prodigy at politics and/or strategy, intelligent, etc, to gain the attention of a codajator.


Also on the Keris demon game? HELLS YES!
 
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