That's a canon Charm, Vitriolic Corona Endowment. Also has an upgrade that lets you shoot green-sun-lasers from anywhere on your body.
I've been mainlining SWLIHN, Metagaos, and Mardukth's charmsets on Google Docs, so my memory for the other Yozis' Charms is a bit rusty by comparion. Does anyone have a compilation of the various homebrew Charms people have put up in this thread, or do I just need to run a search for "Cost:"?

Also, regarding the SWLIHN spirit-killer, I'd definitely say that it should have a mote surcharge if you're using it on someone/thing that is part of a hierarchy and acting in accordance with their defined role within it - after all, The Pyre On Which Thoughts Are Burned would be more motivated to destroy things that either have defied their position within a hierarchy or, even worse, have no hierarchical position whatsoever.

It would also (technically) be the least dickish of the Infernal spirit-killers I'm aware of: Malfeas' condemns its victim to thousands of years of torment, and Ebbie's exiles them to Super-Hell where they suffer for all eternity. Being horribly dismantled down to the motonic level by the unflinching disgust of She Who Lives In Her Name as her naked contempt dissects your existence, itemizes each component's individual sins, and then incinerates them one by one is fairly merciful by comparison. Horrifically painful, but at least the pain stops in less than a human lifetime.
 
Didn't somebody write a custom Malfean Charm in this thread that lets you essentially create one of these - at least in the sense of "I make a spear out of Malfeas' hatred and throw it at someone whose face displeases me"?

Also, I have a broader question about the way your Sorcery rewrite has the Essence source for the spell 'flavor' its effects. If, for example, you have an Infernal Exalt who uses his Ally (Sanceline) Background to anchor a Sapphire-circle version of Death of Obsidian Butterflies, what does that look like?

My current blueprint is that it's essentially a DoOB-style shotgun blast, but made of colorless fire and singing crystal knives that convert anyone killed by the blast into statues of Pyrean crystal, with a possible side effect of infecting survivors with Sanceline's Crystal Cyberman mind-plague.

Okay, so here's the trick.

What do you want it to look like?

It could be glass butterflies who shine brightly flocking out of portals you tear in the world. You could call up three orbs of crystals and then detonate them in a shotgun blast. You could wave your hand, calling up a large number of daggers made of hardlight and then throw them with a gesture.

Basically, Anchors turn spells into more "effect templates" than specific spells. Death of Obsidian Butterflies therefore becomes the template for "AOE formation-killer". When you want a spell that does it, you take the DOOB template and adjust it for the themes. Like, if you're using @Aaron Peori's "martial arts styles as artefacts" and you want to make a Kamehameha, you make a spell based off DOOB that fires a big blast from your fist after you charge up. And you know that's balanced, because DOOB is balanced, but your martial artist building up energy through their mastery of their martial art is very different from the Yozi cultist calling on their dark master to cut their foe apart with crystal knifes.

(However, part of this means that you can't just bolt extra bonuses onto a spell without thinking what it does to them. Changing the dice pool? Fine. Noting that while Death of Obsidian Butterflies litters the area with glass, Death of Flame Moths starts fires if the area you use it in is flammable? Fine. But you can't add too many advantages without some kind of commiserate downside.)
 
(However, part of this means that you can't just bolt extra bonuses onto a spell without thinking what it does to them. Changing the dice pool? Fine. Noting that while Death of Obsidian Butterflies litters the area with glass, Death of Flame Moths starts fires if the area you use it in is flammable? Fine. But you can't add too many advantages without some kind of commiserate downside.)
It helps that I'm asking for a thing I'm (hopefully) writing, so it doesn't need a lot of mechanical knowhow - my main idea was that since Sanceline is fueling the spell and it's a Sapphire-tier upgrade of DoOB, it would make sense to substitute "obsidian butterflies shred people, then become a terrain hazard" with "Pyrean fire and shining crystal blades simultaneously shred/burn people and infect them with a fragment of Order and Purpose, which converts those who die in the conflagration into statues & puts the survivors on the path to becoming transcendentalist rationalist Buddha-borgs (who may well end up tearing apart their dead allies' crystallized remains and bolting them onto the appropriate portions of themselves they've cut off - Pyrean crystal that's already cast in a human shape is hard to find in Creation)".

Likewise, I'd assume that fueling Food From the Aerial Table with an Anchor derived from Asoha Rata probably inflicts a mild-but-persistent positive Intimacy toward the Shashalme in those who eat it, possibly in exchange for being more "filling" so you can survive off of it longer than normal (at the cost of being mentally compromised).
 
It helps that I'm asking for a thing I'm (hopefully) writing, so it doesn't need a lot of mechanical knowhow - my main idea was that since Sanceline is fueling the spell and it's a Sapphire-tier upgrade of DoOB, it would make sense to substitute "obsidian butterflies shred people, then become a terrain hazard" with "Pyrean fire and shining crystal blades simultaneously shred/burn people and infect them with a fragment of Order and Purpose, which converts those who die in the conflagration into statues & puts the survivors on the path to becoming transcendentalist rationalist Buddha-borgs (who may well end up tearing apart their dead allies' crystallized remains and bolting them onto the appropriate portions of themselves they've cut off - Pyrean crystal that's already cast in a human shape is hard to find in Creation)".

Likewise, I'd assume that fueling Food From the Aerial Table with an Anchor derived from Asoha Rata probably inflicts a mild-but-persistent positive Intimacy toward the Shashalme in those who eat it, possibly in exchange for being more "filling" so you can survive off of it longer than normal (at the cost of being mentally compromised).

Not really, no. See, it's still an Essence 3/Enlightenment 4 power. Maybe if it was Sapphire or Adamant circle, that kind of side effect would be acceptable, but you can't load too much power on something like that. It's a damage spell. Therefore its primary function is damage.

If you want a infectious thing, then you show make a new spell template for "this spell is balanced around being a source of disease" and so it's for the sorcerer who raises their hand and fires out a bile green cloud and everyone starts coming down with the plague / Green Sun Wasting / horrific necrotising skin conditions / your Sanceline thing / etc. For when you want to rock that Nurgle look, among other things.

Like, sure, maybe if you use a demon to Anchor a spell like Food from the Aerial Table, you're going to get strange Malfean foods, but fundamentally you're going to get edible food because that's the "contract" of the spell. And yes, it probably would be possible for cultists to make a variant of the spell that makes the food addictive or corruptive or something, but that'd make it less effective at feeding people because you have shifted the spell's concept from "this spell feeds people" to "this makes addictive stuff" so the addiction is metaphorically shifting "points" from the "feeding" to the "addicting".

(And yes, if you wanted to run that storyline with the player's consent, maybe the player could choose to learn a version of the spell from a demon that was deliberately made to be flawed, but that's the player's choice because you don't fuck around with the player's XP expenditures)
 
Except he explicitly called it "a Sapphire level upgrade" of DOOB.

That doesn't... make all that much sense, though - because that's no longer DOOB.

Like, I did a Sapphire "upgrade" of DOOB. It was an artillery bombardment of glass butterflies that covered the area in "landmines". That's the kind of scale that Sapphire Circle stuff works at - it's not just an incremental thing.
 
Back when I was playing around with 2E sorcery, I looked up Silurian Absorption - that is a decent-ish example of how to remake spells.
That explicitly allowed making DOOB variant with silver butterflies - for monetary gain, heh.

I, on the other hand, thought to change DOOB to Death of Iron Caltrops, or Death of Salt Crystals - neither is as damaging, but both versions are somewhat more effective against a specific kind of enemy - the Fair Folk and the Undead.
 
That doesn't... make all that much sense, though - because that's no longer DOOB.

Like, I did a Sapphire "upgrade" of DOOB. It was an artillery bombardment of glass butterflies that covered the area in "landmines". That's the kind of scale that Sapphire Circle stuff works at - it's not just an incremental thing.
That seems more like Solar Circle to me, honestly? Sapphire Circle has Magma Kraken and Cantata of Empty Voices. A two-stage strike covering and then trapping a battlefield seems a bit beyond the Sapphire Circle. Though I guess it sorta depends on how big the 'battlefield' is. I might be picturing something a good bit larger. Or how strong the land-mines are, I guess.
 
That seems more like Solar Circle to me, honestly? Sapphire Circle has Magma Kraken and Cantata of Empty Voices. A two-stage strike covering and then trapping a battlefield seems a bit beyond the Sapphire Circle. Though I guess it sorta depends on how big the 'battlefield' is. I might be picturing something a good bit larger. Or how strong the land-mines are, I guess.

By "the area", I mean "the area affected by the spell".

This was the spell text (note it's from ages ago, before my sorcery rework stuff, so the format is different)

Article:
Butterflies to Chrysalides Bombardment
Cost: 35m
Target: Area (250 yard radius, centred on target point within 1 mile of sorcerer)

A Silurian innovation, this spell uses the motonic principles of Death of Obsidian Butterflies, but expands them up to the Sapphire Circle. As the sorcerer shapes the spell, a collection of butterflies, some in obsidian, others cast in a faintly fluorescent greenish-yellow glass begin to spiral the caster, their flight spelling out the Word of Complexity, which represents sudden change in faraway places from small alterations.

When the character releases the spell, they roll their Perception + Occult, adding their Essence in automatic successes. On the completion of the spell, the butterflies arc up into the air, coming down a tick later on the target location as a great swirling cyclone of enormous glass butterflies, each butterfly anywhere from a foot to a yard across. Everything within 250 yards of that target is subject to the attack. The attack descends from above, so any cover must be at least an inch of stone overhead to protect; the butterflies are quite capable of cutting through the roofs – and upper floors – of most Second Age structures to shatter on the inhabitants within.

Characters defend against Butterflies to Chrysalides Bombardment as if it was a hand-to-hand attack, and each attack is independent, so magic which protects only one person will not protect others subjected to the same attack. Treat the butterflies as rolling a number of attack successes equal to what the sorcerer's player rolled, -1 for each two dice of penalties that circumstances impose. In cases of thick fog or a heavy low cloud level, characters may have to reflexively roll (Perception + Awareness), Difficulty 1, to avoid it being a surprise attack. The attack inflicts 12L, plus any extra successes on the attack roll as per usual.

However, this spell does not merely litter the ground with broken glass (though it does so, much like Death of Obsidian Butterflies). The butterflies, in their brief flight, release small lumps of igneous rock, around the size of a man's fingernail, which litter the ground within the affected area. Compared to the brightness of the glass, they are dull and mundane. However, moving or Dashing across the affected area, for the next lunar month, risks life and limb. Each tick where the character moves or Dashes requires a (Perception + Awareness) roll, at a difficulty of half the sorcerer's Essence, and the roll may only be made if the character is aware of the danger. Failure means that a character's shadow has fallen on one of the chrysalides. From it, grows a spear-like bush made of fused butterflies made of black and green glass, directly pointed at the obstruction to the light, which then blossoms in a newly formed canopy at head height. This is modelled as a hand-to-hand attack against everything within 3 yards, which counts as having rolled the same number of successes as the original attack, and which inflicts +6L damage.

The spear-bush created are living creatures, but will wither and die, turning brittle, if not fed on blood. The Imperial Legions have strict policies for what is to be done if it is found that a legion has wandered in such a formation, often including the use of Earth Aspects to turn over the soil, safely defusing the unhatched chrysalides. Sapphire Circle Countermagic safely defuses all the chrysalides in the area; Emerald Circle Countermagic can disarm all the ones in an area equal to that produced by a casting of Death of Obsidian Butterflies, allowing a formation to be moved through a so-covered area. Once the lunar month has passed, the unhatched chrysalides turn inert, but any spear-bushes that have grown remain.
 
That doesn't... make all that much sense, though - because that's no longer DOOB.

Like, I did a Sapphire "upgrade" of DOOB. It was an artillery bombardment of glass butterflies that covered the area in "landmines". That's the kind of scale that Sapphire Circle stuff works at - it's not just an incremental thing.
My assumption was that "grapeshot cannon blast that supplies you with Pyrean crystal to make things out of & turns survivors into Trojan horses waiting to flip out and start self-mutilating to achieve crystalline perfection behind enemy lines" is a pretty massive upgrade of "grapeshot cannon blast that leaves caltrops behind", hence earning its status as a Sapphire Circle spell.
 
Lei Mei, the Serpent in the Blood
Demon of the Second Circle
Messenger Soul of the Chariot From Outside


The demon lord Lei Mei is a great cobra with iridescent purple-green scales who slithers through the air as easily as she might the ground. Still, this is not the form most demonologists encounter her in. When she sheds her skin she can take the form of a human, though such disguises are always hairless and their manners reptilian. The blood or a dragon or a Terrestrial Exalt forces her back to her true form, for serpents have always been jealous of dragons.

Regardless of the form she wears, the Serpent in the Blood is silver-tongued. Her venom brings only euphoria and a pliability in the mind, so she will often sneak into the bedrooms of sleeping lords and bite them before her greater schemes come to pass. When she slips into Creation as an emissary, she insinuates herself into the halls of power as a ambassador of a foreign nation or some similar authority. She is wise in the arts of medicine, the occult secrets of life, and the crafts of the demon realm. Those who become her disciples may learn from her - a tempting lure indeed. Her gifts come with a hidden price tag, though for, Lei Mei above all wishes to pollute the bloodlines of mankind with the nature of demons.

In the spheres of her greater self she has seen a future where only demons inhabit Creation and it pleases her. Of all the demon lords she is one of the most free with her endowments and her blessings, offering power and extended life in return for servitude. The Immaculate Order knows to look for unaging hairless princes with the eyes of snakes, or artificers given knowledge of the crafting arts and magics of the demon realm. They have found too many isolated fortresses where only heretics and once-human demons dwell, working to summon her greater self and her siblings - for she is their vanguard.

Sorcerers call upon Lei Mei to learn the secrets of flesh and how it might be changed, to receive the extended life she grants, or to serve as their ambassador to other realms. All these she does willingly, and so she is easy to bind. The blood of a dragon poisons her, giving her one point of Limit if she merely touches it and doing damage as Yozi venom if ingested. She can squirm out from Hell when the stars of Creation fall from the sky, appearing in proximity to the star's impact.
 
The snake person demon "Lei Mei" who descends from "Enali"

... *raises eybrow*

Sure. Seems legit.

E: I can only imagine the fights between her and the Dragonblooded have ruined a great many crafts and industries of Creation.
 
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Lei Mei, the Serpent in the Blood
Demon of the Second Circle
Messenger Soul of the Chariot From Outside


The demon lord Lei Mei is a great cobra with iridescent purple-green scales who slithers through the air as easily as she might the ground. Still, this is not the form most demonologists encounter her in. When she sheds her skin she can take the form of a human, though such disguises are always hairless and their manners reptilian. The blood or a dragon or a Terrestrial Exalt forces her back to her true form, for serpents have always been jealous of dragons.

Regardless of the form she wears, the Serpent in the Blood is silver-tongued. Her venom brings only euphoria and a pliability in the mind, so she will often sneak into the bedrooms of sleeping lords and bite them before her greater schemes come to pass. When she slips into Creation as an emissary, she insinuates herself into the halls of power as a ambassador of a foreign nation or some similar authority. She is wise in the arts of medicine, the occult secrets of life, and the crafts of the demon realm. Those who become her disciples may learn from her - a tempting lure indeed. Her gifts come with a hidden price tag, though for, Lei Mei above all wishes to pollute the bloodlines of mankind with the nature of demons.

In the spheres of her greater self she has seen a future where only demons inhabit Creation and it pleases her. Of all the demon lords she is one of the most free with her endowments and her blessings, offering power and extended life in return for servitude. The Immaculate Order knows to look for unaging hairless princes with the eyes of snakes, or artificers given knowledge of the crafting arts and magics of the demon realm. They have found too many isolated fortresses where only heretics and once-human demons dwell, working to summon her greater self and her siblings - for she is their vanguard.

Sorcerers call upon Lei Mei to learn the secrets of flesh and how it might be changed, to receive the extended life she grants, or to serve as their ambassador to other realms. All these she does willingly, and so she is easy to bind. The blood of a dragon poisons her, giving her one point of Limit if she merely touches it and doing damage as Yozi venom if ingested. She can squirm out from Hell when the stars of Creation fall from the sky, appearing in proximity to the star's impact.
But can she fall down into your overwatch and get shot immediately?
 
Lei Mei, the Serpent in the Blood
Demon of the Second Circle
Messenger Soul of the Chariot From Outside


... Her gifts come with a hidden price tag, though for, Lei Mei above all wishes to pollute the bloodlines of mankind with the nature of demons.

In the spheres of her greater self she has seen a future where only demons inhabit Creation and it pleases her...
I mean, if FCDs didn't suffer and die on an equal scale to mortals, this might be the starting point for a fairly valid plan to make Creation suck just a bit less for the average inhabitant - but as it stands, this sounds more like a scheme to give Enali more victims to recreationally torture.

Also, it would probably implode the Loom and cripple the Elemental Pillars by flooding Creation with demonic Essence, leaving the Yozis to watch helplessly as the smoldering ruins of their grand dwelling are devoured by raksha. I'm sure Malfeas won't mind that at all, SWLIHN! By all means, proceed with Operation Ruin Everything!

He'll certainly notice you if it succeeds...
 
I mean, if FCDs didn't suffer and die on an equal scale to mortals, this might be the starting point for a fairly valid plan to make Creation suck just a bit less for the average inhabitant - but as it stands, this sounds more like a scheme to give Enali more victims to recreationally torture.
Hell isn't bad only because 2nd/3rd circle demons and the yozi are asses. Making everyone some kind of demon-blooded isn't going to make creation less war torn and dangerous.
 
Milenial.

However, I am missing the context that makes the joke funny.
Enali.... Email? Yeah even after I fingered out the part about Milenials (For those who are having a hard time Switch Lei so that it fellows Mei then say it as one word) the joke is still going over my head. Speaking of a Damon who are cleverly disguised Jokes. Anyone know what the one Trump Damon was called, and if he wright up is in the index?


Edit: wait... Oh it's syllables! The snake people part is still lost on me though.
 
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