The First Age Solars have no real interest in fighting Authochton so long as he isn't messing up Creation. If he's in the Deep Wyld or further out he's not messing up Creation.
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The First Age Solars have no real interest in fighting Authochton so long as he isn't messing up Creation. If he's in the Deep Wyld or further out he's not messing up Creation.
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Meh. Then that's fine.
Of course not, but they need to be in range of the Elemental Poles for new Dragonblooded to Exalt.
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I may have phrased this incorrectly, what I was saying is that Dragonblooded cannot Exalt into a specific Aspect without that Element being a part of the world, and the Poles are the source-point of their Elements in Creation.
So yes-
-these are blatantly impossible, except for maybe "Dragons of a Different Color" Exalting in the Underworld.
And I'm almost sure that I'm miss-phrasing this again.
The problem is that I don't remember which book it was in, or the exact wording, but I think that it was one of the Celestial Compasses.
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According to what?
edit: Also, what qualifies as "in range"?
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Source, please?
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[Citation needed].
But really, i don't care were you got this from. It's just dumb. It precludes interesting things (DB exalting in hell, or autochtonia, or the underworld) and it has basically no utility at all.
It's like saying that Solars can't exalt in places that the sun doesn't reach.
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That's stupid; it's also entirely unsourced and as far as I know, entirely incorrect. It'd also completely kill any idea of Dragon-Blooded in hell, Yu-Shan or the underworld or whatever, which is a bad thing and should not be done, furthermore it's a failure point in the Dragon-Blooded exaltation that serves to make them once again inferior to the übermensch Celestials, because of course the weak Dragon-Blooded can't Exalt in the Wyld as opposed to stronk, superior Celestials who are dependent only on themselves.
Furthermore, it'd make no fucking sense when the Dragon-Blooded Exaltation is explicitly tied to the blood, and the breeding of the family; because this would mean that you are adding another thing required by the Dragon-Blooded Exaltation - that is entirely unnecessary, I'd like to point out. I mean; I may not like it, but at least @Sanctraphrax's 'legendary blood of virtuous heroes' Dragon-Blooded means that players get incentivized to flavor their bloodline to explain their awesome heroism, whereas this sort of does nothing except add more unnecessary throw-away lore.
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Also, it doesn't make sense, looking at the rest of the exalted.
Look at the Exalted. they're all pretty much self contained systems. A dragonblooded, Solar, lunar, infernal, abyssal, or sidereal plopped down anywhere will be able to use their charms as per normal. What makes you think that the Exaltation process is any different?
The only place where Exalts are dependent on outside infrastructure are Alchemicals, and that's their whole theme.
Look at the Exalted. they're all pretty much self contained systems. A dragonblooded, Solar, lunar, infernal, abyssal, or sidereal plopped down anywhere will be able to use their charms as per normal. What makes you think that the Exaltation process is any different?
The only place where Exalts are dependent on outside infrastructure are Alchemicals, and that's their whole theme.
This just an assumption on my part, but perhaps accelerator is curious why Autocthon fled Elsewhere instead of the Deep Wyld or Chaos.
Edit: It seems i'm rather behind the thread.
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Yes indeed.
Also a question on what happens if creation had only alchemicals as celestial exalts....
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If this is connected to those Heaven's Reach ideas you had a while back, I'm legitimately interested to see where you're going here...
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Um, no.
Instead of fleeing to Elsewhere, Autobot flees to the Deep Wyld, taking the Jadeborn, and a population of mortals and dragonblooded with him. What would the setting look like?
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Oh, sorry - I heard "Alchemicals as the only Celestial Exalt" and my brain went its own way.
In any case, it kind of depends on when/if Autochthon ever makes his way back to Creation. If not, you're looking at a much more "together" Autochthonia, since there's plenty of raw wyldstuff for him to feed on - a good opportunity to use some of Dif's material for reworking what the Void is (here and here).
Meanwhile, Autochthon showing up in the midst of the Great Contagion could seriously blunt the impact of the Balorian Crusade, and he'd probably be able to do something about the contagion itself. That gets you a world where the Shogunate aesthetic (cyberpunk dystopia, bits of Fallout and Jin-Roh for the visuals) endures to a much greater degree than in canon - the Second Age is defined by the slow struggle to rebuild all that was lost, while Autochthon and his faithful engage in a shadow war with the gods of Yu Shan, who fear the return of Primordial rule (with the Sidereals being held back from joining in by Chejop Kejak, who thinks Creation is best served if both sides remain in a state of cold war, continuously building up infrastructure without ever breaking out into open conflict). Then the Jade Prison is shattered, the Solar Exaltations are released once more, and you get the interesting dynamic of Autochthonia & the Shogunate, ostensibly allies against the Anathema, actually having fundamentally different motives and viewpoints on the matter - after all, the former are driven by the Great Maker's fear of what the old Deliberative did, and could thus be convinced to allow the Solars' existence...
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On phone. Answer later
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Whatever the storyteller wants it to look like.
Even in real life, where endless information is available and everything obeys extensively-studied laws of physics and individual people can't turn the world upside-down, what-ifs are impossible to predict confidently. In Creation, they're even more impossible.
If I was telling the story, though...
A few First Age Exalts would follow, mostly because catching Autochthon is almost impossible and they're looking for a challenge. One or two would find Autochthon, take some kind of prize from him, and return to Creation. Apart from that, Autocthonia and Creation would be mostly independent.
The Void would never become as strong as it is in canon, as access to the Wyld would let Autochthon stave off his sickness. But endless war against the fey would provide a similar stream of deadly enemies.
Over time, the Dragonblooded would shift to Autochthonian Aspects. They'd work closely in concert with Alchemicals. Nation by nation, the role of the Terrestrials would vary. In general they'd be expected to act like Alchemicals, but despite expectations some families would end up rather aristocratic.
Other Exalts would be fairly rare, but would have left notable marks on history here and there.
Over all, the Eight Nations would be more pleasant to live in. More freedom, fewer resource shortages. But they'd also be more tumultuous, with more wars and disasters. Maybe more nations, too, forming and collapsing over the centuries.
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@GardenerBriareus, If you don't mind I'll go copy your cool idea for use in my own group in the far future.
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I'll note that this was basically exactly what happened in the Alchemical solo game I talked about before, in this post.
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Kinda.
Sometimes, I wonder if they would, say, use Wyld-shaping technique or its equivalent in order to create an entire new Creation, you know?
Or maybe use Clarity 10 alchemical exalts, and use them as island of stability within the Chaos of the Deep Wyld.
And then there's the question of social structure. With abundant resources. Or at last the wyld to get more, resources are likely more than enough for the autochthonians. What does this mean? That means that the discipline and regimented lifestyle would probably not appear here.
What I'm wondering is the interactions between the races. The mortals, dragonblooded, jadeborn, and alchemicals.
Alchemicals are easy. Probably the same as canon. Jadeborn? Probably serves in the castes. Maybe as workers and crafters. the mortals? As the most numerous, probably all walks of life.
And then there's the Dragonblooded. What role would they be in? Would they be leaders, due to their exaltation? Or would they be champions of the people. One must look at the different themes for each exalt. Dragonblooded are teamwork, family, royal bloodlines, and elements. Alchemicals are modularity, champions of mortals, and products of industry of a society.
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Derp. Sorry. I forgot. My brain is failing me at the moment.
Well, one thing that motivated him was fear of death, and he knows there are things in the Deep Wyld that could harm him, that the Exalted can seek him out there if they really wanted.
Surely nothing could harm him in Elsewhere but himself. He took plenty of mortals to generate essence with.
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Creation, as the center of the universe, can't really be duplicated.
Making another world, without Creation's metaphysical status, ought to be possible. Not sure there's much point, though. Plenty of living space inside Autochthon, and better defenses against the Wyld than a created world would have.
I guess maybe creating it is its own point; I suppose Autochthon doesn't always need a reason to make stuff.
I don't really see the need. Autochthon himself is a pretty big and sturdy island.
The discipline would probably be less pronounced, but the nature of the Alchemical Exalted is to make the government really powerful.
Do you plan to keep the Geas on the Jadeborn?
It'd vary, of course, but I think society would try to make them act like Alchemicals. That's how Autochthon thinks Exalts should be, after all.
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Wait. Several questions.
why was autobots body hostile to mortals?
And why do the alchemical exalted never rebel?
why was autobots body hostile to mortals?
And why do the alchemical exalted never rebel?
Are you really asking why an giant industrial workplace full of power lines, large areas of vacuum, giant machinery, intolerable heat and cold, and other such things is a hostile environment?
Autochthon is machinery and mechanisms and has been long before mortals came to be - and before linear time, for that measure. The fact that humans can eke out an existence within him as symbiotes does not mean they won't be crushed if they go to the wrong place, or won't trigger his immune system if they spread where they shouldn't. In Autochthonia, humans are essentially like his friendly gut bacteria. They help out a lot and keep him healthier normally, but if they go to the wrong place they'll make things worse or his body will destroy them.
And I don't know why you'd ask why Alchemicals never rebel, when there's examples of it in canon. Quite apart from apostates, there have also been attempted coups by Alchemicals and even Alchemical regimes.
There is literally nothing (apart from obviously everyone who doesn't want you to do it) stopping an Alchemical PC from conspiring with their city and taking it over and try to run it better than the mortals.
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Then that's the reason why they would create another Creation. Autochthon's body is too dangerous for the dragonblooded, mortals, and jadeborn to live in. Autobot's a good protector and maker, but not a good house.
On the geas, it'll be open ended. But however, the note on the Alchemicals state that a Clarity 10 alchemical can create new jadeborn. Or maybe people of Adamant.
Maybe that's plot point. Or maybe you can make that a story, in which our alchemical protagonist is trying to recreate the people of Adamant from the jadeborn, with all the conflict that entails.
And as for the dragonblooded, that's another idea. Let's look at it. Um.... normally, the Dragonblooded might follow the Alchemicals lead and serve society and obey mortals.
Or they may just rebel against them. I mean, why would they loyally serve them? Other than alchemical reprisal. And that maybe another thing to tell stories about when they finally meet Creation. Maybe they get jealous of the Creation's Shogunate and Scarlet Empire, and seek to emulate it. Or seeing that it's such a fuckup, then decide to not take the reins.
Autochthon cannot make another Creation. Creation took all the Primordials working in unison to produce, and much of it is outside of Autochthon's thematics. And on top of that, it will never be as proof against the dangers of the Wyld as his own flesh is. Primordials trump the Wyld by their nature (indeed, they consume it) - their creations do not. Creation was a one-off masterpiece, a hammer into the Wyld saying "this is the centre of the world". One cannot have two centres.
A false-Creation made by Authocthon would be a precious clockwork egg that requires constant winding and maintenance and is probably something like a literal orrery, where jeweled spheres spin on clockwork arms around an electric sun. And it's still much more vulnerable to the space invaders of the Wyld than either Creation or Autochthonia. And it isn't self sustaining, needing constant maintenance in probably a more active way than Autochthon where the humans merely assist his failing natural processes.