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2 questions.

Tiger-warrior training technique.

Is it alright to create charms that instead of working on arbitarily large groups, instead also work on smaller groups but advance faster?

An idea for an artifact:

According to Zeus, after he was thrown into the pit it was quite painful and boring.

And it felt weird having your tendons and sinews being used as strings for a lyre.

Huh.

A behemoth's tendons and sinews, being used as strings for muscial instruments, in order to create music with strange, supernatural effects. Maybe demons cause omen weather? Maybe river dragons cause rain and river flooding or even water exploding from the earth? Maybe the Heavenly Brides create healing, and blood apes cause violence and riots to break out?

Hmmmmm.....
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Accelerator said:
2 questions.

Tiger-warrior training technique.

Is it alright to create charms that instead of working on arbitarily large groups, instead also work on smaller groups but advance faster?

An idea for an artifact:
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Tiger Warrior works on groups the same way it always does regardless of size. Think of it like a college course: It's a 6 month course, whether the professor is teaching 5 kids or 500. Everyone is doing the same thing and taking the same amount of time.
 
Kaiya said:
Tiger Warrior works on groups the same way it always does regardless of size. Think of it like a college course: It's a 6 month course, whether the professor is teaching 5 kids or 500. Everyone is doing the same thing and taking the same amount of time.
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So no training montage for the plucky sidekick?
 
Accelerator said:
So no training montage for the plucky sidekick?
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No, because that's not what Tiger Warrior Training is for. It's for training soldiers, not heroes. Frankly, a chargen heroic mortal character is already tougher than the Tiger Warrior elite statblock, as well? You're probably looking at more like the Lore XP sharing effects or something, I dunno. It's definitely a thing Solars could do, but, it's not Tiger Warrior Training.

EDIT: I've rethought this already gimme a sec

EDIT CONTINUED: Okay, so, this could actually be really damn cool...the plucky sidekick who isn't a good fighter joins up as part of a group doing the Tiger Warrior training, and get put through the most hellish training of their life. Jimmy Olsen given a training regimen from Batman sort of thing. Training alongside actual soldiers, drilling, learning the weapons. Could be a great, great way to segue from 'the tagalong little brother' to 'a budding hero in their own right'.
 
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No no no.

I meant any ideas for a charm at lower essence that can be used to train smaller groups at a faster rate?
 
Accelerator said:
No no no.

I meant any ideas for a charm at lower essence that can be used to train smaller groups at a faster rate?
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No. You don't get to improve on Charms that way. The 'train one person faster" would be an upgrade of Tiger Warrior, probably an Essence 3 Charm. Refining and focusing effects requires you to first master the base effect.
 
Accelerator: are you asking about a homebrew charm for a game, or yet again "what is okay for my crossover"?

And if the latter, the answer will always be "it's a crossover; there's no authoritative canon; do whatever you want that makes for the best story".
 
Charms as written are as "basic" as they get. When making new charms, you expand the trees outward, not doubling back into the roots of the tree to make less efficient versions of something.
 
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The only way you're getting faster is if you go all Matrix and download kung fu into his head and that's rather out of theme.
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Alchemicals tho :V

Also, Cecelyne's genie charms.

More seriously, Accelerator, if that's your problem then just slow down the in-universe pacing. Events don't have to happen day-by-day-by-day. You can skip a week or month or even multiple years between individual stories within an overall saga, depending on scale. Individual seasons within a TV series typically take place in consecutive years, usually the same ones as the airdates, with individual episodes taking place a week apart. If your stories are film- or vidya- length, OTOH, you might skip three or ten or a hundred years (skipping to Elder Essence age isn't a good idea) from one to the next.
 
Are there any major ways for a Dragon-Blooded to go about summoning Second Circle and Third Circle Demons? Mostly Second Circle ones, specifically. I mean, I know of the whatsit-artifact that the Scarlet Empress had that allowed her to access the appropriate circles of spells, but I was curious if there were any other ways in-setting?
 
Hakazin said:
Are there any major ways for a Dragon-Blooded to go about summoning Second Circle and Third Circle Demons? Mostly Second Circle ones, specifically. I mean, I know of the whatsit-artifact that the Scarlet Empress had that allowed her to access the appropriate circles of spells, but I was curious if there were any other ways in-setting?
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Beckoning.
 
Hakazin said:
Care to explain? I only got into Exalted with 3e, and the corebook makes no mention of such a method.
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It doesn't exist in 3e, since they changed Thaumaturgy into something completely different.

I don't know any official way you would go about summoning a higher circle of Demon as a Dragonblood in 3e.
 
Hakazin said:
Are there any major ways for a Dragon-Blooded to go about summoning Second Circle and Third Circle Demons? Mostly Second Circle ones, specifically. I mean, I know of the whatsit-artifact that the Scarlet Empress had that allowed her to access the appropriate circles of spells, but I was curious if there were any other ways in-setting?
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I think that Mnemon had something called the "Emerald Thurible"?
IIRC it let her use Demon of the First Circle to instead summon a Second Circle.
 
Hakazin said:
Are there any major ways for a Dragon-Blooded to go about summoning Second Circle and Third Circle Demons? Mostly Second Circle ones, specifically. I mean, I know of the whatsit-artifact that the Scarlet Empress had that allowed her to access the appropriate circles of spells, but I was curious if there were any other ways in-setting?
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Powerful Artifacts. A Working will invite them unbound, which is a terrible idea. The Mantle of Bridid. Realistically, there is no way to do it in a way not likely to blow up amazingly in their face, which is the setting working as intended. Second Circles coming into Creation is a big deal, and means, typically, Anathema Sorcery.
 
A high Finesse working that summons an unbound demon for a limited period of time is not unreasonable. You can stack the odds by doing another working that makes a ward that keeps demons from crossing it that you summon the demon into. And you can further stack the odds by having your hearth on hand to help back you up if the demon escapes that.

Summoning unbound demons via working doesn't have to be "summon them and let them rampage"
 
Reminder: Exalted demons are not Christian demons, and may well be perfectly reasonable people to negotiate with when summoned. 'Rampage' may well never be on the cards, because the demon is more interested in cultivating good relations with somebody who can provide them with time in Not Hell.
 
Imrix said:
Reminder: Exalted demons are not Christian demons, and may well be perfectly reasonable people to negotiate with when summoned. 'Rampage' may well never be on the cards, because the demon is more interested in cultivating good relations with somebody who can provide them with time in Not Hell.
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By the same token, several perfectly decent demons are by their nature disruptive to Creation without proper preparation or handling. These are surmountable challenges, but they help set Sorcerers apart from regular folk, because they make sorcerers go through hoops. A first circle example are the Hopping Puppeteers, who adore children but don't understand them. So they love playing with infants... too hard. So a sorcerer forbids children from work areas where puppeteers work.

To really drive this point home, many spirits, gods and elmentals, can be casually disruptive to Creation when invoked without proper preparation, but this is not meant to be a gotcha or fun tax, but an emphasizing point on their nature and how people interact with them, especially Exalted. See Gem Lords.
 
My assumption is that if an exalt is going to summon a demon outside their weight class, it's not going to be for making it their soldier, they're going to summon a demon they think knows something they need to know and then they will bargain with it to get that knowledge. Or they found something that the demon wants and they want to bargain for some kind of favor or token in return for passing it along.

You don't initiate a working to summon Octavian, because he's going to want to go be Octavian. You might summon Florivet because you need a masterful captain to get through some kind of hellish journey across the sea. Or some Gumela because he knows many secret things.
 
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