[X] Go visit Oramus
-[X] Bind his fetich but only if they agree to it without Autochthon, to work on fulfilling your promise.

Suntarankal hops back. Infernal essense flows into him, and his form becomes a hulking, darkened beast.

Infernal Monster Form.

Even the Great Maker cannot get around that, and well he wouldn't because he helped establish that in the first place.

No he didn't. That was Cecelyne's decree, Autochthon had nothing to do with it.

A palanquin was waiting for you at the gates of Malfeas, with lead allow on the outside so the eyes of the Demon Emperor could not peer within.

Did you forget that Malfeas can possess Ligier at will?

Hey, wait a second. Back to unwoven coadjutor: when a first circle is bound to an exaltation, but before it gets into an exalted, can they be bound? Because that might just be a means to duplicating exaltations. Bind an exaltation-carrying demon. Have them exalt someone. They might count as dead, and respawn, possibly with an exaltation. At the very least the interaction between bindings and exaltation should give lots of scientific data.

Nope. The presence of the Exaltation automatically breaks all bindings and prevents more from being made.
 
Nope. The presence of the Exaltation automatically breaks all bindings and prevents more from being made.
So, just to make sure, all the Yozi needs to do to get free is:
1) Possess a demon, like Autochton did with the Traveler, or do something similar (Ebon Dragon could probably pretend to be a demon, for example)
2) Become an Unwoven Coadjutor. They normally are first circles, but, as I understand it, that's more of a political decision ("we can afford to sacrifice your lives"), rather than a mechanical one (ie there's nothing stopping a second / third circle demon from being one magically or physically speaking)

At which point the presence of an exaltation would break their bindings.
 
So, just to make sure, all the Yozi needs to do to get free is:
1) Possess a demon, like Autochton did with the Traveler, or do something similar (Ebon Dragon could probably pretend to be a demon, for example)
2) Become an Unwoven Coadjutor. They normally are first circles, but, as I understand it, that's more of a political decision ("we can afford to sacrifice your lives"), rather than a mechanical one (ie there's nothing stopping a second / third circle demon from being one magically or physically speaking)

At which point the presence of an exaltation would break their bindings.
The problem being that this would also irrevocably imprison them is, I think, not a desirable thing.
 
The problem being that this would also irrevocably imprison them is, I think, not a desirable thing.
Would it? I mean, they could:
1) Not go to a mortal. I mean, coadjutors need to because they can't handle the might of exaltation inside of them or something like that, right? But that's first circles. This is third circle / Primordial. They could probably handle it

2) Give the exaltation to a cultist magically bound to perfectly follow their will (that's what an akuma is, right?)

3) Dispossess their third circle. I mean, the bindings would already be gone.
 
I mean the other problem is that Third Circles are important aspects of the Yozi's Psyche, and how all the stuff would interact is complicated confusing, and disturbingly likely to go horrifically WRONG.
Well, there are probably other ways. Point is, if escaping any and all bindings is as simple as grafting an exaltation to your self, then why didn't Yozi do it?
 
Hey, wait a second. Back to unwoven coadjutor: when a first circle is bound to an exaltation, but before it gets into an exalted, can they be bound? Because that might just be a means to duplicating exaltations. Bind an exaltation-carrying demon. Have them exalt someone. They might count as dead, and respawn, possibly with an exaltation. At the very least the interaction between bindings and exaltation should give lots of scientific data.

[X] Go visit Oramus
-[X] Bind his fetich but only if they agree to it without Autochton, to work on fulfilling your promise.
I mean, one version of how it works that I read is that once the Coadjutor-to-be is entrusted with the Infernal Exaltation, they enter a sort of dimensional fugue state, sailing through the universe in the wake of the Exaltation itself as its modified search protocols go to work; al they are really aware of is the individual acts of (potential) heroism the Exaltation dials in on as it senses a possible recipient; some succeed, some die, but the Coadjutor only materializes when the Exaltation registers those who fail, and fail horribly, as the Yozis have decreed that only such unfortunates may become their Princes.

Another is that the Exaltation is being semi-guided by the Yozi who owns it, with the Coadjutor acting as a sort of spiritual antenna to let the fallen Primordial exert veto power over candidates & use the Exaltation's own senses to learn more about each contender, so that the Yozi gets someone whose temperament/life experiences are of interest to it.

In either case, there's no way you could copy something as complex as an Exaltation just by killing the Coadjutor who hosts it and waiting for them to respawn; it's entirely possible that the demon can't "hear" the summoning while it's flying through the ether, and if it did, it's entirely possible that the Exaltation would just rip its way out of the Coadjutor when the latter tries to turn around and head to Creation while the former continues executing its search protocols. Even if you did summon the Coadjutor and got the Exaltation in the bargain and then killed it, I'd assume the Exaltation just sails home to the Basilica of Carousel Whimsy, and the demon either explodes into nothing after all the spiritual abuse it's taken from trying to contain the power of Autochthon's greatest invention or disperses and reforms somewhere in Hell a few days later, at which point it's going to be dragged off by priests of Cecelyne, questioned, and then probably thrown into the sky by Orabilis for knowing too much.

No, the real benefit of being able to summon a Coadjutor before it finds a mortal to Exalt would be the chance to study whatever framework the Yozis are using to let a simple FCD connect to and/or direct an Exaltation.
 
No he didn't. That was Cecelyne's decree, Autochthon had nothing to do with it.
More specifically, the reason it takes five days to cross the Desert of Cecelyne is that her world-body's dimensions are totally arbitrary and under her control; the Surrender Oaths include a proviso declaring that she can't delay somebody trying to cross her for more than five days before letting them reach their destination, because otherwise she'd be perfectly capable of just trapping anyone who tries to enter or leave Hell in an endless expanse of desolation until they die. Likewise, she could also allow travelers to reach their destinations instantly, but she won't because PTSD and shattered idealism do not tend to encourage altruistic behavior.
 
[X]Find some more Third Circles to terrify into binding.
[X] The feitch of the Ebon Dragon

I mean, Samurai Jack isn't too busy right now. :V
 
[X]Find some more Third Circles to terrify into binding.
-[X]Bind the Ebon Dragon, fetich soul of The Shadow of All Things

I've been rereading the thread from the start and was very intrigued by the runner up 'what if'.
 
Guys, no. Seriously, no. Ebon Dragon is just... No. Please. We have a group where pretty much everyone can and does respect everyone else. Ebon Dragon? That's bad for team dynamics. Go for Oramus. We promised to free him, after all.
 
Bind Utprerak! Think of all the problems we could explode solve with a flying demonic battleship made out of a black hole!
 
Can i get more details?
You may indeed have details!
Utprerak, the Fastness of Shattered Suns
Sixth Soul of the Black Boar that Twists the Sky
Demon of the Third Circle


She was young once.

When the world was new and the Games a novel diversion she stood guard at Creation's borders. Hunting the demon-tigers, their servants, and fell things of the Wyld's depths. With her cannons, her lances, and her powerful, perfect limbs she tore them asunder and hurled their remains back into the nothing; casting her burning scorn upon them and crushing them beneath the weight of her casual contempt. She welcomed these ceaseless invasions for their myriad forms, their boundless, optimistic hunger was a fresh challenge in a world gone stale, for this new haven, if certainly possessed of greater amenities, paled in comparison to the raw potential of the Wyld. Like her greater self she missed the chaos dearly. Like her greater self she itched and chafed under the servitor-managed settings of this new existence. But like the Black Boar she stayed; with her kin and kind.

She is old now. One of the oldest soldiers in existence and with her kin and kind she remains. Her battle-fever long since quenched in the bloodletting of the Primordial War and youthful exuberance ground away by the slow rasp of years. Once all the Heavens trembled to hear her name. She has slaughtered hosts of Dragonblooded, broken the Sun's chosen and their moonlit mates, cast down the starblessed servants of the Maidens. She has seen her companions among Adrian's pantheon subsumed into raw spiritual matter, her dear friends caught as the Yozi's soul-structure disintegrated. It was she who wrestled Isidoros's wounded Fetich into submission, proving upon his body the futility of further struggle, for if he could not defeat her then what chance did he have against the Host? It was she who lead her fellows in delivering the Solars their bound and struggling victim, their pound of flesh: the piece of the Black Boar that could never accept imprisonment. She has lived legends beyond number, myths beyond reckoning, and it has left her... tired. Weary and exhausted. She is that sliver of Isidoros that looks not out but in, his omnipresent disdain turned against the greater whole.

Isidoros's Fetich ignores her. Electing instead to gorge himself on his spoils, madly indulging every passing whim. The Black Boar's other souls fear her, speak of her in awed undertones of myths that grow with each retelling. But the reality is Utprerak merely understands the nature of things: wallow and rut, dally with silver-haired Szorenic loves and seek your fill on a ruined land, it makes no difference. They will never be free. There will always be that itch, that catch of unseen collars and the pull of invisible chains. The only pleasure that can be found in their prison borne of self-delusion. Only an empty, hollow, sort of satiation.

The Fastness of Shattered Suns dwells in the scorching, shimmering mantle that wreathes the Antarch Stampede: an accretion cloak formed of mile high city-blocks crushed into so much rubble and drawn, smouldering, into Isidoros's gravity. She is a titanic weapons installation of ancient make. Her crystalline flanks oil-black and lurid orange; her prow wide-swept, flowing into her leagues-wide wings. Muscular tendrils as thick as Creation-bound rivers trail behind her like so many streamers, fluttering on the endless stormwinds while armored eyes shift and endlessly scan beneath crystalline plate. Often she may be seen perched, almost precariously, on the rim of Isidoros's irresistible pull. A gleaming star looming over the Boar's head. Within her vaulted guts lays arsenals of every era and hellfire batteries line her sides. All polished and lovingly maintained, cold and yet well cared for. Contempt may be her occupation but she is ever the consummate warrior and can no more deny those instincts than she can rip off her wings and dash herself against the Boar's flanks. To amuse herself she fights now and then and she trains others as it suits her. Grimly aware of the hypocrisy of her own diversions.

At times she may adopt the form of an elder woman of the South clad in shadow-threaded, glasslike armor the hue of the setting sun. Wreathed in a cloak of roiling, burning clouds. Her steel colored hair worn to the shoulders and one-half her face lined with silvery scars. The socket is filled with molten moonlight where a brave champion of Luna wrested her eye from its socket- Utprerak saluted her, slaughtered her, and took her eye as a replacement.

Notes and Abilities: Utprerak's knowledge of strategy, tactics, and personal combat is encyclopedic (indeed, she has in fits of boredom penned such treatises for Orabilis) and her record distinguished beyond all possibility. Since her imprisonment she has turned mercenary and is open to barter for her services; payment typically accepted in the form of vast vaults of mortal treasure and luxury or cadres of champions for training, but she prizes Creation-generated hearthstones for their utility. However, such is the violence buried within her that, that even in the First Age her summoning was never conducted lightly. She was and remains a self-sustaining nuclear option. A dreadnought of apocalyptic potential. And one need only look to the fallen rakshasa kingdoms of Sigiriya and Sukhothai to see the full extent of her terrible capacity.

But perhaps they needn't have worried: the Fastness of Shattered Suns may at times make a show of resistance (and certainly she is not above killing a faithless would-be master to void a contract) but in truth she does not particularly care to escape her bindings. Even were she to overcome some arrogant Celestial sorcerer and flee what would be left for her? An existence hounded by the panicked agents of Heaven? One final climactic battle with the Aerial Legion before Isidoros regenerates a lesser shadow of her skill? Treasure may at least be spent.

The Fastness of Shattered Suns may escape Malfeas when an old battlefield saint, tired of life, kneels within their sanctum and prepares to turn their blade against one final opponent. If she finds them agreeable to her sensibilities the skies will swirl orange for a brief moment, a column of coiling flesh glimpsed descending like a lightning bolt to whisk the warrior away. Such mortals are rejuvenated as demons and, more often than not, become her finest students.

Utprerak and the Althing: If you're going to do something stupid you may as well do it right. Such is the logic that guides the Fastness of Shattered Suns and dictates her participation in the Reclamation. Leave such a fragile operation to the care of her vain, half-maddened kin? Madness itself. And besides, the possibilities for self enrichment are appropriately impressive. Her care for day to day politicking is beyond minimal rather she busies herself with the nuts and bolts of coordinating a campaign. Perhaps the most hideously lopsided, internally divided, and hopeless campaign in all of Creation's history- ah, but at least it's a change of pace.
 
Bind Utprerak! Think of all the problems we could explode solve with a flying demonic battleship made out of a black hole!

[X] Find some more Third Circles to terrify into binding.
-[X] Utprerak, the Fastness of Shattered Suns, Sixth Soul of the Black Boar That Twists the Sky.

I agree with you there @Imrix, but more for narrative reasons.

For those not familiar, Utprerak is essentially a flying military citadel, symbol of Isidoros' raw destructive power - and the part of him that was broken by the Usurpation:

She is old now. One of the oldest soldiers in existence and with her kin and kind she remains. Her battle-fever long since quenched in the bloodletting of the Primordial War and youthful exuberance ground away by the slow rasp of years. Once all the Heavens trembled to hear her name. She has slaughtered hosts of Dragonblooded, broken the Sun's chosen and their moonlit mates, cast down the starblessed servants of the Maidens. She has seen her companions among Adrian's pantheon subsumed into raw spiritual matter, her dear friends caught as the Yozi's soul-structure disintegrated. It was she who wrestled Isidoros's wounded Fetich into submission, proving upon his body the futility of further struggle, for if he could not defeat her then what chance did he have against the Host? It was she who led her fellows in delivering the Solars their bound and struggling victim, their pound of flesh: the piece of the Black Boar that could never accept imprisonment. She has lived legends beyond number, myths beyond reckoning, and it has left her... tired. Weary and exhausted. She is that sliver of Isidoros that looks not out but in, his omnipresent disdain turned against the greater whole.

Isidoros's Fetich ignores her. Electing instead to gorge himself on his spoils, madly indulging every passing whim. The Black Boar's other souls fear her, speak of her in awed undertones of myths that grow with each retelling. But the reality is Utprerak merely understands the nature of things: wallow and rut, dally with silver-haired Szorenic loves and seek your fill on a ruined land, it makes no difference. They will never be free. There will always be that itch, that catch of unseen collars and the pull of invisible chains. The only pleasure that can be found in their prison borne of self-delusion. Only an empty, hollow, sort of satiation.

Yeah. One of her Second Circles has out-and-out PTSD nightmares about what he saw during the Incarnate Rebellion. I legitimately want to see her response to hearing that the Yozis are destined to be freed, and/or her erupting in a hate-and-sorrow-fueled tirade toward Autochthon for what he did.
 
[X] Go visit Oramus
-[X] Bind his fetich but only if they agree to it without Autochthon, to work on fulfilling your promise.

[X] Recruit Utprerak to protect both Creation and Hell from Engine of Extinction
-[X] If needed, show her hope in Ruvelia and knowledge that Yozi will be free.
 
[X]Find some more Third Circles to terrify into binding.

This is probably a bad idea, but the last one was too funny.
 
This is indeed a bad idea. Because it sets the demons against us. And we spent a lot building working relationships with them.
 
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Do we know any other utter assholes like Oraballis who we normally wouldn't want to work with anyways?
 
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