Ebeli Quest: How to Manage your Plot Devices and Save Creation
[X]Head to Luthe first, introduce Autochthon and Ruvelia to Petinent Star.
-[X] While traveling, talk with Autochhton and Ruvelia about how you are going to keep Malfeas from killing you all before going to Cecelyne.
--[X] Discuss how, since Yozi are destined to be freed, you believe that the best way to handle Malfeas's resocialization long-term is merge him with Tiferet in a controllable fashion, giving rise to a new, and hopefully less insane Primordial still bound by Surrender Oaths. Maybe an artifact version of the Unity of the Closed Fist that works cross-universally using Ruvelia to home onto her reality?
[X] Ponder how exactly one would shove a Neverborn into the Mouth of Oblivion.
-[X] Ask Autochthon if there is a way to upgrade Lethe so that it can turn Neverborn back into primordials through reincarnation, or if there is another way to do so. And if it's possible to add Surrender Oaths to the newly reincarnated Primordials during this process.
-[X] While traveling, talk with Autochhton and Ruvelia about how you are going to keep Malfeas from killing you all before going to Cecelyne.
--[X] Discuss how, since Yozi are destined to be freed, you believe that the best way to handle Malfeas's resocialization long-term is merge him with Tiferet in a controllable fashion, giving rise to a new, and hopefully less insane Primordial still bound by Surrender Oaths. Maybe an artifact version of the Unity of the Closed Fist that works cross-universally using Ruvelia to home onto her reality?
[X] Ponder how exactly one would shove a Neverborn into the Mouth of Oblivion.
-[X] Ask Autochthon if there is a way to upgrade Lethe so that it can turn Neverborn back into primordials through reincarnation, or if there is another way to do so. And if it's possible to add Surrender Oaths to the newly reincarnated Primordials during this process.
[X]Head to Luthe first, introduce Autochthon and Ruvelia to Petinent Star.
-[X] While traveling, talk with Autochhton and Ruvelia about how you are going to keep Malfeas from killing you all before going to Cecelyne.
--[X] Discuss how, since Yozi are destined to be freed, you believe that the best way to handle Malfeas's resocialization long-term is merge him with Tiferet in a controllable fashion, giving rise to a new, and hopefully less insane Primordial still bound by Surrender Oaths. Maybe an artifact version of the Unity of the Closed Fist that works cross-universally using Ruvelia to home onto her reality?
[X] Ponder how exactly one would shove a Neverborn into the Mouth of Oblivion.
-[X] Ask Autochthon if there is a way to upgrade Lethe so that it can turn Neverborn back into primordials through reincarnation, or if there is another way to do so. And if it's possible to add Surrender Oaths to the newly reincarnated Primordials during this process.
-[X] While traveling, talk with Autochhton and Ruvelia about how you are going to keep Malfeas from killing you all before going to Cecelyne.
--[X] Discuss how, since Yozi are destined to be freed, you believe that the best way to handle Malfeas's resocialization long-term is merge him with Tiferet in a controllable fashion, giving rise to a new, and hopefully less insane Primordial still bound by Surrender Oaths. Maybe an artifact version of the Unity of the Closed Fist that works cross-universally using Ruvelia to home onto her reality?
[X] Ponder how exactly one would shove a Neverborn into the Mouth of Oblivion.
-[X] Ask Autochthon if there is a way to upgrade Lethe so that it can turn Neverborn back into primordials through reincarnation, or if there is another way to do so. And if it's possible to add Surrender Oaths to the newly reincarnated Primordials during this process.
I don't see why. Seems like a perfectly reasonable experiment to me.
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
But they have stats! That means they can be killed!
Vaalintine
Wild Wondorous Wolfalope
Are you sure they're bypassing the trip entirely, or just taking the 5 days via a different route? Because a Lintha making the 5 day journey via Kimbery seems like something they might do.
Anyways it seems like a useful spell ti have. I wonder if it can be used to talk to primordials besides the Yozi?
On;y if the Storyteller allows them to have stats.
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
The spell takes 5 days of preparation and is cast on the 6th day, but travel time from Creation to Malfeas is as quick and easy as stepping through a doorway, with no passing through any intermediary space.
This spell can be used to commune ONLY with the Yozis; Gaia's worldform jouten is off in the Wyld and Faraway, and her humaniform Emerald Mother jouten can just be talked to like anyone else. As for Autochthon, see this quest for the details on talking to him. There are no other Primordials in or near Creation, though at least one - Cemunian - is off in the Wyld somewhere and hasn't been seen since before the Primordial War.
EDIT: At the Storyteller's discretion, this spell could transport the traveler(s) to the caverns in Malfeas where his Crippled Imperator jouten wanders blindly. Autochthon might find that interesting.
Their stats, or at least their soak and Health Levels, are in the rulebooks. What happens when a Neverborn's HLs are filled is up to the Storyteller.
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The five days thing is because Cecylene wants it. If they can bypass her, then it can take as little or as much time as you want.
I can see nothing that could go wrong with that. Especially when the two underworlds merge and we have the Engine of Extinction next to the Neverborn.
I thought Underworld was a separate place from Malfeas / hell?
You're merging two different realities the current Creation with Malfeas and one with Triferet.
No, I am proposing merging two hells. Whether Creations will be affected in some way, or connected like Siamese twins with Theion 2.0 as the connecting point, or something else will happen, is a question.
GreggHL
Engaging hilarity engine/air intake
- Location
- Daejeon, Republic of Korea
OM NOM NOM.
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GreggHL
Engaging hilarity engine/air intake
- Location
- Daejeon, Republic of Korea
[X]Talk with Autochhton about how you are going to keep Malfeas from killing you all before going to Cecelyne.
[X]Ponder how exactly one would shove a Neverborn into the Mouth of Oblivion.
KILLING THE NEVERBORN(for real): Extended Roll
Shoving them Into the Mouth of Oblivion: 200 Cumulative Successes. Difficulty 2(enthusiastic help of Autochthon).
Other Methods: 200 Cumulative Successes. Difficulty 7.
You took aside the Great Maker and Ruvelia and went into one of the Manse's private rooms. Once there, you leveled your best disapproving glare at the primordial and made your displeasure known.
"Never do that again."
Autochthon stares at you with facet eyes.
"Do what?"
"Taunt the Neverborn. Especially when my friend's six year old mortal daughter is in the blast radius."
To your credit, the Great Maker does not protest. Instead, his eyes rotate and he nods. You clear your throat, feeling the headache coming on. "Related, if we're going to go to Malfeas, we need to figure out how to keep Malfeas from killing us all."
"Yes," Autochthon says, turning from you to Ruvelia, "Both of us will serve as complications."
"It would be easier if this were my universe. Tiferet is power without will and would not react strongly to Ligier's presence." Ruvelia gives you a beatific smile. "You would be welcome all the same, though."
You nod, feeling some tension releasing. "We need to figure out what Malfeas would do if he realizes Autochthon is in the Demon City."
"Oh I already know. I've been there."
You turn back to the brass giant. "What?"
"Shortly after the end of the War and before my Exodus," Autochthon says with a half-interested wave, "I traversed the Endless Desert in an encounter suit and set foot in the Demon City. What I noticed first was that none of my kin came to engage me or taunt me or attack me."
You nod. "So...no Yozi came near?"
"Indeed. In fact, I only saw the retreating form of the Silent Wind."
You blink. "You saw Adorjan. Running away?"
"Yes. I believe even in her mindless state she understood what was coming. That was also when I felt the Green Sun's flame."
That's...excessive. "Ligier fired on you."
"Technically it was Malfeas firing Ligier at me. And not directly at me. It was at the layer my encounter suit was on. This served two purposes- to cleanse the area of any sickness I may have carried on me, and to soften the brass so that there was less resistance when he subsequently collapsed the layers on top of me."
You blink. Then again. You are silent for long moments. You know that 'collapsing layers,' as in layers of brass multiple times the size of Creation, are the leading cause of death in Malfeas. But to think that Malfeas would intentionally do so just to kill Autochthon wait he said layers.
"How many layers?"
"I vacated the encounter suit the moment it was destroyed but I understand it reached one hundred and thirteen before Isiodoros managed to physically stop it and Hegra managed to sufficiently drug him."
Ruvelia nods. "Sounds legitimate," she says, hands on her hips.
"I was in no danger. I would never go into Malfeas in my humanform Jouten. In fact, I can't remember where it is. Most likely I left it in the Sword of Creation but no matter."
You raise a hand. "That being said? How do we keep Malfeas from killing us all?"
Autochthon and Ruvelia exchange a glance. Autochthon turns back to you. "I can think of two ideas. Malfeas sees in two ways, primarily. Through his humanform jouten, the Brass Dancer, through the Green Sun. As long as he does not see me through either of those, we would be safe."
You nod. "Okay."
"To that extent, I would shift myself into an elsewhere pocket tied to an artifact I would give to you. I would spend most of the time in Elsewhere as a result, but at the same time it would ensure safety. Assuming that there are no complications."
You purse your lips. That's sensible. "And the other idea?"
Autochthon taps his fingers together. Oh boy.
"Malfeas represents a wealth of resources and materials which are amazingly beneficial to any craftsman. Not just demons and chalcanth and azoth, but also things like quills from the Boar or scales from the Dragon or rains from Hegra and all that."
He glances at Ruvelia. She nods.
"As it is, if I am to end my self-imposed exile from existence, I will need to gain access to these materials once more. As things currently stand between myself and Malfeas, there must be a catharsis between us."
You nod. "Catharsis," you repeat.
"Catharsis."
"Which is?"
"Engaging Malfeas via my World Jouten. As it is in Elsewhere, it can emerge anywhere. I would have it emerge above the Demon City, challenge Malfeas, and there would be catharsis no matter who the victor is."
You state at Autochthon. You reach up, work your pinky in your ear, and check for ear wax. None. You rub the bridge of your nose. Stare at the Primordial.
"You want to fight Malfeas."
"Yes."
"You want to fight Malfeas."
"Yes."
"You want to fight Malfeas."
Autochthon nods. "Why did you ask that three ti-"
"Because I want a different answer!"
Blue flame spreads out. You feel your blood pressure lowering. Your chakras aligning. "This has precedent," Ruvelia says, "Part of the reason Malfeas is so enraged is that he was not dethroned by those he views as equal subjects. It was humiliating."
"And should I be beaten and bend my knee to Malfeas and acknowledge him as king..." Autochthon waggles a hand. "On the other hand, if I best him in combat..."
"He's the most powerful Primordial."
"Theion was. Malfeas was the most lessened of the Yozi." Autochthon and Ruvelia nod.
"And there is precedent," Ruvelia adds, "It is how Theion became king. He challenged Mardukth and won. And so was always King."
[ ]This is the worst idea ever.
[ ]This is the best idea ever.
[ ]Write in.
[X]Ponder how exactly one would shove a Neverborn into the Mouth of Oblivion.
KILLING THE NEVERBORN(for real): Extended Roll
Shoving them Into the Mouth of Oblivion: 200 Cumulative Successes. Difficulty 2(enthusiastic help of Autochthon).
Other Methods: 200 Cumulative Successes. Difficulty 7.
You took aside the Great Maker and Ruvelia and went into one of the Manse's private rooms. Once there, you leveled your best disapproving glare at the primordial and made your displeasure known.
"Never do that again."
Autochthon stares at you with facet eyes.
"Do what?"
"Taunt the Neverborn. Especially when my friend's six year old mortal daughter is in the blast radius."
To your credit, the Great Maker does not protest. Instead, his eyes rotate and he nods. You clear your throat, feeling the headache coming on. "Related, if we're going to go to Malfeas, we need to figure out how to keep Malfeas from killing us all."
"Yes," Autochthon says, turning from you to Ruvelia, "Both of us will serve as complications."
"It would be easier if this were my universe. Tiferet is power without will and would not react strongly to Ligier's presence." Ruvelia gives you a beatific smile. "You would be welcome all the same, though."
You nod, feeling some tension releasing. "We need to figure out what Malfeas would do if he realizes Autochthon is in the Demon City."
"Oh I already know. I've been there."
You turn back to the brass giant. "What?"
"Shortly after the end of the War and before my Exodus," Autochthon says with a half-interested wave, "I traversed the Endless Desert in an encounter suit and set foot in the Demon City. What I noticed first was that none of my kin came to engage me or taunt me or attack me."
You nod. "So...no Yozi came near?"
"Indeed. In fact, I only saw the retreating form of the Silent Wind."
You blink. "You saw Adorjan. Running away?"
"Yes. I believe even in her mindless state she understood what was coming. That was also when I felt the Green Sun's flame."
That's...excessive. "Ligier fired on you."
"Technically it was Malfeas firing Ligier at me. And not directly at me. It was at the layer my encounter suit was on. This served two purposes- to cleanse the area of any sickness I may have carried on me, and to soften the brass so that there was less resistance when he subsequently collapsed the layers on top of me."
You blink. Then again. You are silent for long moments. You know that 'collapsing layers,' as in layers of brass multiple times the size of Creation, are the leading cause of death in Malfeas. But to think that Malfeas would intentionally do so just to kill Autochthon wait he said layers.
"How many layers?"
"I vacated the encounter suit the moment it was destroyed but I understand it reached one hundred and thirteen before Isiodoros managed to physically stop it and Hegra managed to sufficiently drug him."
Ruvelia nods. "Sounds legitimate," she says, hands on her hips.
"I was in no danger. I would never go into Malfeas in my humanform Jouten. In fact, I can't remember where it is. Most likely I left it in the Sword of Creation but no matter."
You raise a hand. "That being said? How do we keep Malfeas from killing us all?"
Autochthon and Ruvelia exchange a glance. Autochthon turns back to you. "I can think of two ideas. Malfeas sees in two ways, primarily. Through his humanform jouten, the Brass Dancer, through the Green Sun. As long as he does not see me through either of those, we would be safe."
You nod. "Okay."
"To that extent, I would shift myself into an elsewhere pocket tied to an artifact I would give to you. I would spend most of the time in Elsewhere as a result, but at the same time it would ensure safety. Assuming that there are no complications."
You purse your lips. That's sensible. "And the other idea?"
Autochthon taps his fingers together. Oh boy.
"Malfeas represents a wealth of resources and materials which are amazingly beneficial to any craftsman. Not just demons and chalcanth and azoth, but also things like quills from the Boar or scales from the Dragon or rains from Hegra and all that."
He glances at Ruvelia. She nods.
"As it is, if I am to end my self-imposed exile from existence, I will need to gain access to these materials once more. As things currently stand between myself and Malfeas, there must be a catharsis between us."
You nod. "Catharsis," you repeat.
"Catharsis."
"Which is?"
"Engaging Malfeas via my World Jouten. As it is in Elsewhere, it can emerge anywhere. I would have it emerge above the Demon City, challenge Malfeas, and there would be catharsis no matter who the victor is."
You state at Autochthon. You reach up, work your pinky in your ear, and check for ear wax. None. You rub the bridge of your nose. Stare at the Primordial.
"You want to fight Malfeas."
"Yes."
"You want to fight Malfeas."
"Yes."
"You want to fight Malfeas."
Autochthon nods. "Why did you ask that three ti-"
"Because I want a different answer!"
Blue flame spreads out. You feel your blood pressure lowering. Your chakras aligning. "This has precedent," Ruvelia says, "Part of the reason Malfeas is so enraged is that he was not dethroned by those he views as equal subjects. It was humiliating."
"And should I be beaten and bend my knee to Malfeas and acknowledge him as king..." Autochthon waggles a hand. "On the other hand, if I best him in combat..."
"He's the most powerful Primordial."
"Theion was. Malfeas was the most lessened of the Yozi." Autochthon and Ruvelia nod.
"And there is precedent," Ruvelia adds, "It is how Theion became king. He challenged Mardukth and won. And so was always King."
[ ]This is the worst idea ever.
[ ]This is the best idea ever.
[ ]Write in.
[X]This is the best idea ever.
...So. I am assuming there will be no collateral damage whatsoever in this fight. Right?
...So. I am assuming there will be no collateral damage whatsoever in this fight. Right?
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Malfeas has at least four humaniform jouten. The Brass Dancer, the Demon Emperor, the Devil-Tyrant Avatar, and the Crippled Imperator. A Primordial has one jouten for every Shintai Charm they possess, except for the Ebon Dragon.
[X]This is the worst idea ever.
Even in his reduced state, Malfeas is the strongest Primordial.
Even with his sickness in abeyance, Autochthon is the weakest Primordial.
We're better off using the bag of holding to sneak Autochthon into Malfeas.
ALTERNATIVELY, Ebeli could learn Glory To The Most High, followed by THIS Charm:
Article: The Time Is Now
Cost: —(+10m, 1wp)
Mins: Occult 6, Essence 6
Type: Permanent
Keywords: Native, Obvious
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: Solar Circle Sorcery
When the Solars graciously accepted the surrender of the vanquished Primordials, they gained authority over their numerous souls and mimetic races, including the power to summon and bind them into service. Sometimes waiting for Calibration—or even sundown—is an affront to the Lawgivers, as if to mock them for the mercies they once accorded. This Charm enhances the spells Demon of the First Circle and Demon of the Second Circle. At Essence 7+, this Charm's power expands to encompass Demons of the Third Circle as well. When casting one of these spells, the Solar may spend an extra 10 motes and one Willpower to gain the following benefits: The casting time of the spell is reduced to a single hour, and the dramatic action used to shape this spell may begin at any hour of the day and on any day of the year. The concentrated power of the Solar's will visibly strains the boundaries of existence, causing a localized Calibration more ominous and bizarre than the natural fixing of Creation that marks the beginning and end of each year. For an area of (100 yards for a First Circle demon, 500 for Second Circle demon, and one mile for a Third Circle demon) around her, sunlight bleeds away as surely as the coming of midnight, and sounds somewhere between great hollow wails of torment and the grating of brass echoes out from her location. The Bureau of Destiny is made explicitly aware every time this Charm is used to enhance a summoning, and knows where it was used.
Whenever this Charm is used to summon a demon of the Third Circle outside of Calibration, the Solar must reflexively make a contested roll of his (Intelligence + Occult) against the Dodge MDV of each Third Circle demon he has currently bound. Failing this roll for a single demon permits all currently bound demons to slip free of their bindings.
To call forth Orabilis without having to wait for Calibration.
GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
[x]This is the worst idea ever.
-[x]And yet it's still the best idea we've got for getting Malfeas to willingly cooperate with...everything, I guess. Fuck.
-[x]And yet it's still the best idea we've got for getting Malfeas to willingly cooperate with...everything, I guess. Fuck.
Emerald Oracle
Chaos, yet harmony. Death, yet the Force
- Location
- The Else
[x]This is the best idea ever.
ALL HAIL THE RETURN OF PRIMUS! FIRST OF THE GODS AND KING OF ALL CRAFTSMEN! TILL ALL ARE ONE!
Edit: Upon further thought this vote doesn't encompass the entirety of this idea so I will also vote for
[x]This is the worst idea ever.
ALL HAIL THE RETURN OF PRIMUS! FIRST OF THE GODS AND KING OF ALL CRAFTSMEN! TILL ALL ARE ONE!
Edit: Upon further thought this vote doesn't encompass the entirety of this idea so I will also vote for
[x]This is the worst idea ever.
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