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All Level, No Experience (Worm/Pathfinder Amnesia Quest)

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Sckribe said:
Man, unless y'all change your mind at some point, when you start openly conquering cities that photo's going to get real bittersweet real fast.
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Are you referring to Iluontar or the questors here (for the 'change your mind part')? I currently have no intention on openly conquering cities, and was thinking of going the soft route if possible - surely the Xiomorn Ascension ritual is a great incentive towards that, if need be?
(I believe the current hope is to get Cauldron assistance/permission to make that much easier iirc)

[X] Go to your Number Man brokerage account and spend the time day-trading. (Number Man/Cauldron Interlude)
 
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quantum lurker said:
Are you referring to Iluontar or the questors here? I currently have no intention on openly conquering cities, and was thinking of going the soft route if possible - surely the Xiomorn Ascension ritual is a great incentive towards that, if need be?
(I believe the current hope is to get Cauldron assistance/permission to make that much easier iirc)
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the soft rout is us openly suborning the government to our authority via leveraging our prestige as an end bringer killer (shared credit) instead of outright using violence and overwhelming power to take over as mentioned in an earlier post here.

mmgaballah said:
Iluontar can publicly wipe out the gangs to gain local prestige and political credibility, use his skills at roguery from his assassin class and Coil's plundered intelligence to take over the bay's criminal underworld "since if you must have crime it may as well be organized " while being known publicly as the guy that cleared the bay of gangs , from there he will start involving himself in the bay's political process choosing, grooming, supporting and backing his preferred candidates to various official positions and through them replacing appointed officials as well all of this publicly of course so he can take credit for the stuff he has them do to make things better , there might be some government opposition to this from the PRT but will be a token one as powerful parahumans pretty much get a free pass if they can be useful never mind actually being useful, just look at Lung just the potential use for him in a endbringer fight made the PRT leave him to his devices (Iluontar was the MVP of an end bringer fight and the only reason it could be taken down they will not touch him no matter what he does short of becoming a new end bringer)
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quantum lurker said:
Are you referring to Iluontar or the questors here (for the 'change your mind part')?
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I mean you lot, the questers, to the last of my knowledge.

zxzx24 said:
For humanity as a whole or for cauldorn?
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Yes. More seriously, for most everybody in North America who isn't Iluontar, and hasn't decided to very much throw themselves on his side, should the time come.

Actually, funny enough, this seems like a decent enough time to show actually, here's what y'all's relationship scores look like at this moment.


View: https://imgur.com/a/9vOODWy

I have a feeling it might be a bit surprising in a couple places, I admit. Also, the reason Taylor's already that far up is because I've decided that between both Solo-ing the S9, and then the whole Ziz thing, then for basically everyone in North America (except some specifics that were figured out individually) you're just going to straight up start with a 4.
 
Sckribe said:
I have a feeling it might be a bit surprising in a couple places, I admit.
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Ngl I thought our table would be the equivalent of 0 apart from people we bothered interacting with - running for Politics isn't a bad idea with these stats, especially given our Int and Simulacra (wages paid in Diamonds) to settle things properly?
...we'd need Iluontar to have more respect for general humans for that to really work though?
 
Wolfy said:
I'd think that you'd understand how squeamish SV is about doing stuff, by now.
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I mean, on one hand, let me have my hope, you know?
On the other, yeah, it has reached a point where I've thought that with Ziz down and a decent buffer until the next Endbringer fight rolls around, that the time to declare "Alright, I'm in charge, and anyone who says otherwise has one week to schedule a duel to the death- group submissions accepted, up to and inlcuding up to 1 Army- after which time all complaints will be summarily ignored."
But yeah, early on I understood while y'all were figuring yourselves out, but at this point, you're all like, 3 feats short of your entire character sheet.

I mean, I forget the exact post, but not long ago there was one that just made me think 'Dude, look at your CR of 65, you are very much an all but insurmountable combat threat to literally anything that isn't Scion, an Endbringer, Eidolon with a good power-set and a fair amount of warning time, or trying to directly fight an entire shard itself, just straight up skipping the parahuman and going mono-e-mono directly in shardspace. You would have to fight every printed Demon Lord simultaneously 34,380 times, before you reached the same XP reward as fighting you, once.'

Like, if you even seriously said the phrase 'Thirteen Time Stops in a row' in Faerun, I think Mystra would have a conniption so hard it changed the magic system again.

Edit: I double checked, if anyone ever manages to legitimately kill you, they/their party gets 1.7 Trillion XP. On the slow or medium XP tracks, that is enough to instantly rocket someone from nothing to Level 39, 40 if they're on the fast XP track. If anyone else knows the Wrath of the Righteous CRPG, there's an option that'll increase your level cap to 40 and give you faster leveling. So in essence, you, alone, are equivalent to an entire Adventure Path with boosted XP.

I'd say the world is your oyster, but oysters have hard inedible shells. The world is your soft-serve cone.
 
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Sckribe said:
or trying to directly fight an entire shard itself, just straight up skipping the parahuman and going mono-e-mono directly in shardspace
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I'm perfectly fine with doing this if we can prep appropriately, but that's not an option currently?

(Besides, SV, forum rules, etc - need to be fairly careful about going down the hard conquest route if such is actually taken)

Sckribe said:
You would have to fight every printed Demon Lord simultaneously 49,152 times, before you reached the same XP reward as fighting you, once
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Time to give our allies an XP buffet? :V
 
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mmgaballah said:
if you want brutal conquering, you should have gone to SB or maybe fiction live, SV can be a bit conservative on that end.
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Eh, I hadn't really known many other places for quests, particularly Worm quests, than here. That and, honestly a bit of the reasoning for why I'm here? The vote tallying system here was the first one I was able to figure out. That and while I'm aight with SB, I'm just not as invested over there as elsewhere. Frankly, it was here or QQ.

Haven't looked into fiction live though, might have to do that now, out of curiosity if nothing else.
 
Sckribe said:
fiction live though
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Your mileage may significantly vary for quality of discussion there though - not the easiest to get a core group of questors there, especially in this Quest where basically everything needs to be freeform write-in.

Then again, depth still exists if you have said questors, and it's not like you can make mistakes too bad unless they vote for the equivalent of killing themselves or challenging Scion right from the get go given the implications of your post earlier?

Sckribe said:
I'd say the world is your oyster, but oysters have hard inedible shells. The world is your soft-serve cone.
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*Looks at Scion, Endbringers and Shard Network* not really, not for our true objectives (not just conquering a world, but doing so in a way that maximises their combat potential so they can assist meaningfully when going back to Golarion)?

(And of course there is the no-save-you-just-die abilities that must exist out there out of sheer probability if nothing else; though I don't expect to see those that easily even in the hard conquering route)

Besides, if we are able to do things without using brute force, then we can afford to try and do it the more difficult way (that is, difficult for Iluontar), or at least that's how I'd like to think.
 
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Sckribe said:
I mean, on one hand, let me have my hope, you know?
On the other, yeah, it has reached a point where I've thought that with Ziz down and a decent buffer until the next Endbringer fight rolls around, that the time to declare "Alright, I'm in charge, and anyone who says otherwise has one week to schedule a duel to the death- group submissions accepted, up to and inlcuding up to 1 Army- after which time all complaints will be summarily ignored."
But yeah, early on I understood while y'all were figuring yourselves out, but at this point, you're all like, 3 feats short of your entire character sheet.

I mean, I forget the exact post, but not long ago there was one that just made me think 'Dude, look at your CR of 65, you are very much an all but insurmountable combat threat to literally anything that isn't Scion, an Endbringer, Eidolon with a good power-set and a fair amount of warning time, or trying to directly fight an entire shard itself, just straight up skipping the parahuman and going mono-e-mono directly in shardspace. You would have to fight every printed Demon Lord simultaneously 34,380 times, before you reached the same XP reward as fighting you, once.'

Like, if you even seriously said the phrase 'Thirteen Time Stops in a row' in Faerun, I think Mystra would have a conniption so hard it changed the magic system again.

Edit: I double checked, if anyone ever manages to legitimately kill you, they/their party gets 1.7 Trillion XP. On the slow or medium XP tracks, that is enough to instantly rocket someone from nothing to Level 39, 40 if they're on the fast XP track. If anyone else knows the Wrath of the Righteous CRPG, there's an option that'll increase your level cap to 40 and give you faster leveling. So in essence, you, alone, are equivalent to an entire Adventure Path with boosted XP.

I'd say the world is your oyster, but oysters have hard inedible shells. The world is your soft-serve cone.
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Ultimately SV players are timid and unwilling to impose their will, afraid of consequences as well as conditioned by years of worm fanfics to see certain things as proper and others as not, which is why something like fighting Endbringer is accepted while something like kidnapping capes and putting them into dungeon or using mind control is literally Hitler.

At some point you realize that much of argumentation is merely rationalization.
 
Sckribe said:
Like, if you even seriously said the phrase 'Thirteen Time Stops in a row' in Faerun, I think Mystra would have a conniption so hard it changed the magic system again.
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OTOH, that is slightly the result of a permissive GM. Time Stop, despite the name, does not actually stop time but super-hastes the caster. Its "duration" is rounds of apparent time happening in a split-second of regular time. A strict GM, or strict Mystra, could rule that Time Stop therefore has no effect if cast during Time Stop because you are already sped up, you can't get more sped up. This is a consequence of the general rule that spell buffs don't stack with themselves.

IOW: "Thirteen Fox's Cunning in a row" just gets an eyeroll from Mystra, exact same effect as one Fox's Cunning.

(I will get to the main point in a bit, I realize this is nitpicking.)
 
quantum lurker said:
*Looks at Scion, Endbringers and Shard Network*
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I don't want to sound mean, however: Oh, if you list the exceptions I already listed, it seems like there are some slight exceptions.

Also, you do realize that when Iluontar referred to his general ideas of eventually going back to Golarion one day to rip away at its fundamental laws of existence, that doesn't necessarily entail literal combat, right? Like, yeah, something of an Anti-Aeon army might eventually be necessary, but otherwise it's not necessarily the boots on the ground style combat you seem to think the very flowery language meant.

More generally below, and nobody in specific;

That and if I remember writing it right, Iluontar pretty closely referenced the idea that after doing what he does in Worm, he doesn't necessarily plan on going straight back to Golarion, he's willing to straight up conquer another Cosmology. Like, remember/know that to a fair degree, Iluontar (and the other guy in a different way) are practically Insane, dedicated to his goal to a degree that, if anyone does put a mind-reading affect on him (that doesn't try to carry a compulsion with it due to immunity) it would be mentally crushing the sheer extent he is willing to go to- like 'Will Save vs Shaken', if I wanted to be dramatic against a player looking in on his thoughts. Like, 'Discover Cross-Cosmology Time-Travel to arrive back at the moment I left Golarion' is just, a part of his overarching plan, legit.

While he's more consciously thinking on his usual scale, with his memories back, his plan was, and I cannot emphasize this enough nor how this is not at all exaggeration: A Multi-Cosmology Empire, with the vast majority of its resources dedicated purely to breaking the very setting of Golarion.

Exmorri said:
(I will get to the main point in a bit, I realize this is nitpicking.)
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I assure you, you're good. I'm a D&D 3.5 guy, nitpicking is just what we do for fun.
 
Sckribe said:
'Discover Cross-Cosmology Time-Travel to arrive back at the moment I left Golarion' is just, a part of his overarching plan, legit.

While he's more consciously thinking on his usual scale, with his memories back, his plan was, and I cannot emphasize this enough nor how this is not at all exaggeration: A Multi-Cosmology Empire, with the vast majority of its resources dedicated purely to breaking the very setting of Golarion.
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Hm... it appears that I have been playing Out Of Character then and been consistently underestimating the scale of things - I'll adjust that for the upcoming votes then.

Sckribe said:
You had hoped that, perhaps, you might find a people who also knew- who understood what it was, to fight for the impossible and still try to win. That perhaps, there might be some minuscule way to get them to join you. That perhaps understood what it meant, to lose who you expected to share forever with. Maybe a people who were somewhat similar, in some ways, to the Xiomorn; explorers and scientists and experimenters and, please, please, you had called to the world, immortal.

There had been a door in front of you, held open. You'd paid the doorman with some of the order in your mind, that you knew you would recover from eventually, stepped through, and woke up in a small clearing, suddenly conscious and unusually aware of that fact.

Finally and in summation, you know why you came to Earth Bet in particular. You're here, because it is where you could rule forever. Because it, in part, would be better if you ruled. Because here, you can build yourself up endlessly, in preparation to return to the cosmology of Golarion one day, and take back your people.
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It's probably good this was the filter for the chosen setting, because I am having a hard time imagining how such a means would not end up breaking things that should not be broken in the process :/
 
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Sckribe said:
While he's more consciously thinking on his usual scale, with his memories back, his plan was, and I cannot emphasize this enough nor how this is not at all exaggeration: A Multi-Cosmology Empire, with the vast majority of its resources dedicated purely to breaking the very setting of Golarion.
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I think one way you can overcome the timid passivity of the thread to do things, is to narrow down their options, like narratively as Iluontar regains more and more of his memories, self-awareness and knowledge he becomes more proactive and goal oriented so there is less free form write in options and options where Iluontar is going get this goal done but the thread get to write in how he goes about it

like for example every turn their is going to be an action put in by the GM representing Iluontar own agency relating to his goals and agenda(automatically chosen) which is going to be his main priority regardless of any other actions the thread adds (the thread can contribute by writing in how he goes about carrying it out) and any action the thread votes for that contradicts Iluontar's own goals gets dismissed(vetoed by the GM)
 
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Wolfy said:
Ultimately SV players are timid and unwilling to impose their will, afraid of consequences as well as conditioned by years of worm fanfics to see certain things as proper and others as not, which is why something like fighting Endbringer is accepted while something like kidnapping capes and putting them into dungeon or using mind control is literally Hitler.

At some point you realize that much of argumentation is merely rationalization.
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'Timid and unwilling to impose their will' is an extremely weird way to describe... not wanting to be evil? Like, kidnapping and mind control are pretty evil actions.

You could have just said "SV tends to not like playing evil characters" instead of like... implying that actually they're weak for that? Preferences are a fine thing to have.
 
Well, it was a poor choice of examples, but going to clear bounties all day long and look for systemic issues as a justification to take over would be a better example (and one I'm considering voting for now, after the clarification)?
 
mmgaballah said:
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... Huh. Y'know, when you lay it out like that. Huh. I have been adding a few things here and there that are definitely from him, but yeah, clipping away at write-ins time to time is in fact probably a pretty good idea of it, frankly. Funny enough, I did kind of have a similar idea, but I had only intended to use it if the other guy was the chosen character, where in certain situations you'd have the regular votes, then his own particular vote in Gold/Yellow text, followed by how many votes he'd get.

So, for instance.
"[Ex] Report the kidnapping to the authorities, and leave it to them.
[Ex] Go to the PRT, try to work with them on this.
[Ex] You are going to rescue Dinah, and Coil will die for this. Now. (7 Votes)"

But yeah, honestly, that is a very good idea for handling it, Thanks!
 
Sckribe said:
But yeah, honestly, that is a very good idea for handling it, Thanks!
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your welcome

I have some more ideas for this concept if you want them

like for example Iluontar every turn gets action relating to his goals and objectives selected but the thread gets pick which goal of his he is pursuing right now from a list provided by the GM but once chosen its locked in no matter how many turns it takes to carry out or it is no longer possible to advance it any further , like for example right now Iluontar has one immediate goal found a city state with him de facto in charge and every turn we will get action or actions auto selected by Iluontar to further that goal until we find ourselves in charge of a city state at which point we unlock new goals set by Iluontar to choose from like found a magical university//rebuild the infrastructure of his new city state//consolidate power..ect
 
mmgaballah said:
like for example Iluontar every turn gets action relating to his goals and objectives selected but the thread gets pick which goal of his he is pursuing right now from a list provided by the GM but once chosen its locked in no matter how many turns it takes to carry out or it is no longer possible to advance it any further
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Basically, we vote to select and Lock In Projects in addition to normal actions? Is that the correct understanding of things?
 
i had thought somebody floated in the thread to pull a rachel: open a portal to an uninhabited world and start our own thing.

i like the idea of being able to start our rule from scratch.

i don't know if it would be possible to open it up to immigration from earth bet, but we can also just pull a cauldron and start "rescuing" people from other earths.
 
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