okay:

I'm Sorry.

What started as me getting a little mad over the outcome of the choice basically devolved into me being a whiny little bitch. I've been what I feel is incredibly rude and insensitive to the players who Chose what they genuinely think was a better option, and now that I think about it, yeah,actually hanging back would have been in some ways shittier. but I refused to stop and think, and instead became an utter bastard who couldn't actually respect other peoples opinions. I pretty much refused to agree with anybody who had a different opinion to me, didn't really think about how it might have seemed a decent option, and have done what has amounted to Insulting the Quest, Zerban, and the players in this thread.

I'm probably going to take this off my watchlist for a couple of days because I feel really shitty about how I've acted, and I think I need some time to calm down before I can really get back into reading this thread.

So yeah.

I'm sorry for being an utter shitlord.
 
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[X] Try the girl on the couch. She seems to be napping, but this is important. Like it or not she's the most familiar-looking person around right now, and might be your best chance at getting some answers. Maybe she's in the same boat as you? Similar, at least?
No. of votes: 9
Yonatan, djd, veekie, LupineVolt, Deadly Snark, will408914, Omegahugger, Byniboy, wingstrike96

[X] Try the guy working out. He's got the same tattoo as you, so that's a conversation-starter at least. Maybe he knows what's going on. And, more importantly, is wiling to tell you.
No. of votes: 15
Enshuu, Timaeus, shenron, notanautomaton, Dream Logic, TenfoldShields, Olive, Tarock Star, Mutton, XkaliburRage, Erehwon, Romv, LaRed, cB557. Broken25,

[X] Try the boy in the gas mask again. Sure he doesn't seem to want to be bothered with questions about where you are and what you're doing, but maybe at least you can find out a little more about him? He certainly cuts a strange figure.
No. of votes: 1
ctulhuslp
 
Oh my. What a beautiful quest we have here.

It's my first exposure to Zerban's quests, and it already seems like a delightfully wild ride.

Not familiar with WoD much, be it Old or New, so a lot of meta-stuff kind of bounces off without hitting the brain.

However, as of this moment, rational or not, the Technocracy seem to be topping Pentex on my personal shitlist. The threat of Pentex, as far as we were concerned, was a simple one. Their Black Spiral Dancers wanted to just kill us, take our lives away. These guys? They want to take everything, strip us bare and discard us as a lump of useless meat once they are done. They had a fate worse than death in stock for us, and kept us alive even as we refused to live like cattle. They already have our father, and will be coming for our mother - if they could find her, that is - if only as a way to lure us into a trap. And worst of all, they took away our sister just after we made up for the earlier blunder and finally patched things up with her somewhat.

Ironically, it was Pentex who brought us together and Technocracy who broke us apart. And right after we have made a proclamation, on the brink of death back there in the vault, that whatever comes, we'll meet it together, too.

I don't want to rub salt in the wound or be disrespectful to people who voted otherwise, but the latest update made me feel incredibly relieved. For all that our action was reckless and stupid impractical, I'd vote for it again in a heartbeat. It will be an uphill battle to keep our sister from drifting away further, but I don't want to let them take even more than what they already did. We reached out despite immense danger to our well-being, and I hope we won't shy from it once they will inevitably try and turn her into a weapon against us.

Anyway, that was that about the last vote. As for the current one... I don't have a strong preference.

[X] Try the girl on the couch. She seems to be napping, but this is important. Like it or not she's the most familiar-looking person around right now, and might be your best chance at getting some answers. Maybe she's in the same boat as you? Similar, at least?

Might be a bit rude, but we have our excuse.
 
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However, as of this moment, rational or not, the Technocracy seem to be topping Pentex on my personal shitlist. The threat of Pentex, as much as we are concerned, was a simple one. Their Black Spiral Dancers wanted to just kill us, take away our lives. These guys? They want to take everything, strip us bare and discard us as a lump of useless meat once they are done. They had a fate worse than death in stock for us, and kept us alive even as we refused to live like cattle. They already have our father, and will be coming for our mother - if they could find her, that is - if only as a way to lure us into a trap. And worst of all, they took away our sister just after we made up for the earlier blunder and finally patched things up with her somewhat.


IC it might seem that way. OOC, Pentex are the guys who just want to watch the world burn (or perish into Oblivion), full stop. No other goals or agendas, they are Chaotic Evil to a man. Mostly 100% unredeemable because, after certain threshold, corruption by their patron follows their souls in reincarnation forever, and thus they are guys who wholly deserve soul-killing. So, they are top-tier in rating of "fates worse than death" too.
And so they are unifying force in WoD: absolutely everybody hates them. For a good reason, because "let everything return to primordial nonexistence" is pretty shitty agenda even by oWoD Black vs Black morality standards.

Technocracy, OTOH, merely are bringing order to the world by any means necessary. Questionable, misguided and venturing into Lawful Evil territory instead of proclaimed Lawful Good intentions, they are still goo...least evil guys in the setting. Notice how in this particular case they took thing which was only superficially (to their knowledge) human and left it alive and (mostly) intact. It is quite generous for a setting with existing brainwashing and other horrifying mind-tampering goodies.
To be fair, they probably weren't sure it would work as intended, not unwilling to use it because ethics; to be even more fair, not brainwashing reincarnation of demonic(not really, but sort of) defeater of ancient god is safety hazard and trusting it to remain human(e) on its own is woefully optimistic. And optimism in WoD is questionable.

Now, we players know(do we?) that PC is, in fact, still 95% human and not monstrous extradimensional cannibal creature(yet); Technocrats don't know it and are assuming the worst, which is quite sensible. They actually tested it; since PC does, in fact, like the taste of human flesh, they had(in their opinion) enough reasons to not trust him and treat less like a human and more like a monster.

So...technocrats screwed up this one badly, but saying that they are worse than Nephandi is too much.
 
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[X] Try the guy working out. He's got the same tattoo as you, so that's a conversation-starter at least. Maybe he knows what's going on. And, more importantly, is wiling to tell you.
 
I know, I know, not being entirely objective here. I am just marveling at how a bunch of dicks managed to be shittier to us than a literal Chaotic Evil abomination bent on world destruction. They made it way too personal. I'd say they went an extra mile to dehumanize us if I didn't know better.

I was just pondering whether I would ever consider using Pentex to strike a blow at TU - say, by revealing sensitive information if we happened upon something juicy - and found that I couldn't come up with enough reasons to say 'no'. Though it makes me wonder... while Pentex were allegedly after us because they wanted to hurt Dad, was it entirely a coincidence that they found out about us? Did really no one else know of our nature, and it was just a matter of rotten luck?

In any case... I don't know what our options are anymore. At this point running to the Traditionalists - perhaps searching for Mom - might be our best bet. Incidentally, that's what TU seem to fear most.
You're a nascent shapeshifter that can process human enzymes into energy at an impossibly efficient ratio and there are no end to the number of Traditionalists gone to ground in Australia that might be willing to help you understand your powers or turn you into a weapon.
Looks like becoming a weapon is all but inevitable - if only to protect ourselves.

Notice how in this particular case they took thing which was only superficially (to their knowledge) human and left it alive and (mostly) intact. It is quite generous for a setting with existing brainwashing and other horrifying mind-tampering goodies.
Seeing how they drove us to a point where we wanted to refuse their generosity, thank you very much, and just starve, I am inclined to view it as a torture rather than benevolence in any twisted sense of the word.
 
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IC it might seem that way. OOC, Pentex are the guys who just want to watch the world burn (or perish into Oblivion), full stop. No other goals or agendas, they are Chaotic Evil to a man. Mostly 100% unredeemable because, after certain threshold, corruption by their patron follows their souls in reincarnation forever, and thus they are guys who wholly deserve soul-killing. So, they are top-tier in rating of "fates worse than death" too.
And so they are unifying force in WoD: absolutely everybody hates them. For a good reason, because "let everything return to primordial nonexistence" is pretty shitty agenda even by oWoD Black vs Black morality standards.

Ennhhhhhh

/me makes a see-saw motion with his hand.

Pentex as it stands in canon is basically the RPG equivalent of, like, the sink-fetus from Silent Hills PT. A half-aborted fucking monstrosity that should've been put out of its misery but is still here to traumatize us all. I've mentioned it a few times but Pentex basically only exists to make canon oWolves seem like the lesser evil and honestly they only sometimes manage that. They're Captain Planet villains as done by, like, Rob Liefeld.

Which is why if you want to rework them into anything sensible (which I'm pretty sure Zerban has) that shit all has to go. Because while everyone does hate Pentex, Pentex is one of the few truly, like, pan-gameline coalitions. They have Vampires, Werewolves, and Mages on their payroll, a truly massive amount of material resources and manpower, and powerful spirit-patrons.

So clearly they're doing something right. :V

I was just pondering whether I would ever consider using Pentex to strike a blow at TU - say, by revealing sensitive information if we happened upon something juicy - and found that I couldn't come up with enough reasons to say 'no'.

What about the fact that, y'know, most people in the Union are fundamentally decent people just a fundamentally decent job and Pentex's MO is usually warcrime it/fast-zombie it/have BSD's rape-torture everyone to death?

:V

Like. Make no mistake. Pentex is the enemy in surface to fuckoff big space Satan and is entirely willing to murder the shit out of some kids if it gets them what they want. In any scenario basically anyone else is the lesser evil. Even Vampires.

Even Changelings.
 
*Deep sigh*

I know what is expected of me in a Zerban Quest, might as well get it over with now.

[X] Waifu Pentex
 
Ennhhhhhh

/me makes a see-saw motion with his hand.

Pentex as it stands in canon is basically the RPG equivalent of, like, the sink-fetus from Silent Hills PT. A half-aborted fucking monstrosity that should've been put out of its misery but is still here to traumatize us all. I've mentioned it a few times but Pentex basically only exists to make canon oWolves seem like the lesser evil and honestly they only sometimes manage that. They're Captain Planet villains as done by, like, Rob Liefeld.

Which is why if you want to rework them into anything sensible (which I'm pretty sure Zerban has) that shit all has to go. Because while everyone does hate Pentex, Pentex is one of the few truly, like, pan-gameline coalitions. They have Vampires, Werewolves, and Mages on their payroll, a truly massive amount of material resources and manpower, and powerful spirit-patrons.

So clearly they're doing something right. :V
I hear blackmail and death threats work wonders. :V

Plus the whole 'they're against you and us, let's team up' angle they probably have going, I mean if you get spurned by The Union or whoever Pentex probably has decent revenge incentives.

I mean they're still terrible but if you're feeling really petty...
*Deep sigh*

I know what is expected of me in a Zerban Quest, might as well get it over with now.

[X] Waifu Pentex

Down Wade
 
I hear blackmail and death threats work wonders. :V

Plus the whole 'they're against you and us, let's team up' angle they probably have going, I mean if you get spurned by The Union or whoever Pentex probably has decent revenge incentives.

I mean they're still terrible but if you're feeling really petty...

Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.
 
Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.
What if it isn't our nose? :V

What about the fact that, y'know, most people in the Union are fundamentally decent people just a fundamentally decent job
Yeah, and to hear Dad tell it, their job is to ensure that 'things' like us were put on a leash, if not outright destroyed.
"We took control of the world from behind the scenes, brought about industrial revolution, and named ourselves the Technocratic Union. We've been in control for hundreds of years now. Protecting the world from the things they don't believe in any more."

"Things like me."

He doesn't answer you. Not directly.
Not sure how much our protagonist can relate to their mission statement.

Pentex's MO is usually warcrime it/fast-zombie it/have BSD's rape-torture everyone to death?

:V
Why do you think I considered it in the first place? :V

Eh. Didn't Technocracy bail our asses back there during the siege? We took out those who got inside the vault, but there weren't many remaining, and there were crews all over the place when we got out. Could be that without them we wouldn't have a sister to be mad at them for. That wouldn't excuse our treatment, but it'd go a long way to make me not want to murder every Techie we come across. :eyeroll:
 
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Look, there are less evil alternatives to prepare our revenge against the Man.

Like powering up by eating the flesh of babies.
Or a sit down protest.

Or mailing them a box filled with packing peanuts.

I mean going from breakout to eating babies is like jumping the Grand Canyon.
 
Ennhhhhhh

/me makes a see-saw motion with his hand.

Pentex as it stands in canon is basically the RPG equivalent of, like, the sink-fetus from Silent Hills PT. A half-aborted fucking monstrosity that should've been put out of its misery but is still here to traumatize us all. I've mentioned it a few times but Pentex basically only exists to make canon oWolves seem like the lesser evil and honestly they only sometimes manage that. They're Captain Planet villains as done by, like, Rob Liefeld.

Which is why if you want to rework them into anything sensible (which I'm pretty sure Zerban has) that shit all has to go. Because while everyone does hate Pentex, Pentex is one of the few truly, like, pan-gameline coalitions. They have Vampires, Werewolves, and Mages on their payroll, a truly massive amount of material resources and manpower, and powerful spirit-patrons.

So clearly they're doing something right. :V

True, but I was replying to the guy who was comparing Pentex to Technocracy in favorable light; even with rework that's still probably hilariously unfair to Technocracy.

Seeing how they drove us to a point where we wanted to refuse their generosity, thank you very much, and just starve, I am inclined to view it as a torture rather than benevolence in any twisted sense of the word.

While not benevolent, they were not as evil as paranoid as they could. Given our potential to royally fuck things up(literally mythological? Not sure), that's...more than could be reasonably expected. I mean, we escaped, which clearly proves that they weren't paranoid enough. :V

Yeah, and to hear Dad tell it, their job is to ensure that 'things' like us were put on a leash, if not outright destroyed.

Uh...given what kind of terrifying and outright apocalyptic shit exists in WoD, this is pretty noble goal. Eggs and omelettes and all that stuff. WoD is somewhere between Black vs Black and Gray vs Gray moralities, but Technocrats are at least trying to think about people who didn't luck out on power lottery.

Not sure how much our protagonist can relate to their mission statement.

Yes, IC he is probably considering Technocracy den of stinking evil (than again, father and Rob and sister....) and his new friends are likely to exacerbate it, sure.
 
Look, there are less evil alternatives to prepare our revenge against the Man.

Like powering up by eating the flesh of a hudred babies.
"How fuckin' dare you lock me up just because you think I'm gonna eat people! I'll get back at you after I power up by eating a bunch of people."



[X] Try the guy working out. He's got the same tattoo as you, so that's a conversation-starter at least. Maybe he knows what's going on. And, more importantly, is wiling to tell you.

You open your mouth to thank the kid again, then pause half-way, close it, and just nod.

He seems satisfied.

You turn away and begin awkwardly sidling toward the girl on the couch. It's basic social instinct, more-or-less. You're normal, and she seems normal. Well, more normal than the others, at least. More normal than your surroundings, certainly. If not for the people and architecture around her, she could be any one of the kids at your school. She could be any teenage girl, sleeping off a night out in a dress too expensive for their age. She could be one of Lakshmi's friends.

The thought catches your foot mid-step, and you find yourself thinking that it'd be rude to wake her up for an interrogation. Besides, you might not have that much in common after all.

Your shuffling trajectory casually twists toward the guy instead. You've both got weird tattoos. You're both about the same age, probably. You're both conscious. You both have a Y-chromosome. Look at all these shared experiences! Clearly, this is a tale as old as time. You'll be best goddamn friends in moments.

"So... hi."

You catch his attention with masterful icebreaker, and gesture toward the lion rampant (armed et langued gules) on your chest.

"Meghanada. I'm guessing this is one of yours?"
 
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So, uh, since Revlid is voting for;

[] Try the guy working out. He's got the same tattoo as you, so that's a conversation-starter at least. Maybe he knows what's going on. And, more importantly, is wiling to tell you.

Does that make []Revlid the anti-Revlid vote? :???:
 
So, uh, since Revlid is voting for;

[] Try the guy working out. He's got the same tattoo as you, so that's a conversation-starter at least. Maybe he knows what's going on. And, more importantly, is wiling to tell you.

Does that make []Revlid the anti-Revlid vote? :???:
Je suis l'Alpha et l'Oméga. Le début et la fin.
 
I am just marveling at how a bunch of dicks managed to be shittier to us than a literal Chaotic Evil abomination bent on world destruction. They made it way too personal.

Dude. What the fuck do you think would have happened if we were captured by Pentex instead of the Technocracy?

It would probably have involved some sort of unspeakably vile torture meant to turn us and our sister into brainwashed weapons the moment they figured out our nature.

It's also quite likely their aim was to kidnap us and our sister rather than kill us. After all, they opened with "come with us" instead of RIP AND TEAR.
 
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Yeah, you are right, those two cops were trying to lure us into a car.

It would probably involve some sort of unspeakably vile torture meant to turn us and our sister into brainwashed weapons.
What do you think 'maybe - maybe - they'll start working on you as an asset instead of just a lump of tissue' was supposed to mean when Dad spoke of the Union's plans for us? Considering that at this point we were unlikely to grant our services willingly.

I will concede the point about our sister. At least she is alive and relatively well. We can work with that.
 
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