Wow, if that's actually true that makes them even bigger dicks than we thought.

I mean, Meg sure as shit wouldn't have made the informed choice to eat people, and yet here they are, slipping this into us. For all we know, the eating human flesh is why we had that one brutal dream, or it powers up that side of us, or...who even knows?

But if it's not even necessary to keep us alive, it's a complete asshole move.
For all we know, our physiology just lets us convert human flesh into quintessence more easily, and they want to study that for repurposing in the next round of Progenitor bug-drones.
"Oh, hey, this kid has some weird specialized villi. Based on their structure, I'd guess they're for breaking down some of these human enzymes and converting them into supercalories. Ridiculously efficient. No idea how it'd work in practice, though..."

"Well, stuff nano-trackers into some people steaks. Stick 'em in his dinner, see how it works. Duh."
 
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Wow, if that's actually true that makes them even bigger dicks than we thought.
See you say that, but then the perks turn out to be super good for us and we go like "Well one bite wouldn't hurt" because we are in a shitty situation and needs the boost, and then a few decades done the line we are choosing the best humans to eat for the best powerboost in a given situation like a Serial Killer only with superpowers.

Like I am not saying that any of this is guaranteed. But this is very much not a simple matter, because there is something incredibly fucked up going on, both at us and in us, and at this point it's like what the fuck.

We don't really know that.

What we actually know:

1: Meg hasn't commited any crime.

2: And then he was kidnapped by a shadowy megacorp.
This is World of Darkness, being superfucked comes along in a package with your new powers.
 
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Oh, I do remember reading that.

I was just reacting to the fact that the myths/folklore supported it.

So it's gone from a speculation, an interesting one, to one that might have Muh Lore backing it.

See you say that, but then the perks turn out to be super good for us and we go like "Well one bite wouldn't hurt" because we are in a shitty situation and needs the boost, and then a few decades done the line we are choosing the best humans to eat for the best powerboost in a given situation like a Serial Killer only with superpowers.

Like I am not saying that any of this is guaranteed. But this is very much not a simple matter, because there is something incredibly fucked up going on, both at us and in us, and at this point it's like what the fuck.


This is World of Darkness, being superfucked comes along in a package with your new powers.

I'm also, like, 110% sure that this long chain of slippery slope logic wasn't what was going through their heads when they made their choice.

I mean, if their actual worry is 'we'll eat human flesh for the sweet power-boost' there are about fifty different things they could have done, most notably, you know, not given us a taste for human flesh?
 
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See you say that, but then the perks turn out to be super good for us and we go like "Well one bite wouldn't hurt" because we are in a shitty situation and needs the boost, and then a few decades done the line we are choosing the best humans to eat for the best powerboost in a given situation like a Serial Killer only with superpowers.

Lol.

Look, any mage can learn to draw power from human sacrifice if they are so inclined. It's like, nephandery 101.

This is just a case a declaring someone guilty of a crime he might commit, somewhere in the future.
 
I mean, Meg sure as shit wouldn't have made the informed choice to eat people, and yet here they are, slipping this into us. For all we know, the eating human flesh is why we had that one brutal dream, or it powers up that side of us, or...who even knows?

But if it's not even necessary to keep us alive, it's a complete asshole move.

Because we sure as shit aren't seeing and don't care about the 'perks' right now.
It's pretty obvious in this case that the Progenitors and NWO have gone into Full threat assessment, understanding and containment mode. Where they probably don't like doing whatever is they've done to us on a moral level. But on a professional level they have to understand what the fuck is going on with us in general because they are just as bewildered as us right now, so they've forced themselves to stop thinking of us as an innocent boy and more as an potential threat in order to do their jobs.
 
See you say that, but then the perks turn out to be super good for us and we go like "Well one bite wouldn't hurt" because we are in a shitty situation and needs the boost, and then a few decades done the line we are choosing the best humans to eat for the best powerboost in a given situation like a Serial Killer only with superpowers.

Like I am not saying that any of this is guaranteed. But this is very much not a simple matter, because there is something incredibly fucked up going on, both at us and in us, and at this point it's like what the fuck.
"Oh man, this kid can get a massive powerup from eating human flesh. I guess we should..."
a) "...trust to his good human nature and let him have peace of mind by keeping this a secret."
b) "...calmly explain the situation and make use of therapy and counseling to ensure he doesn't actually go cannibal."
c) "...start producing synthetic human flesh in little ration packs and brainwash him into being our supersoldier."
d) "...secretly feed him human flesh and then vivisect him to see what happens."


Pick one, and be aware that d) means that other factors have caused you to commit to never ever letting him out of his cell intact.
 
Lol.

Look, any mage can learn to draw power from human sacrifice if they are so inclined. It's like, nephandery 101.

This is just a case a declaring someone guilty of a crime he might commit, somewhere in the future.
I'm not sure that you really want to use Nephandery, aka working with evil demons aka wanting the world to burn as an example here.

And you know, Mages can in fact predict the future. Not 100%, but it is something they can do with a pretty good margin of error most of the time.

I'm sad that the only viable option seems to be with the dirty no-shoers. :sad:
See again, I wouldn't bet on it. Because if we would have been safe with the Traditions, our Parents wouldn't have decided to let us grow up in a technocratic stronghold where all our stuff were paid for and watched over by technocratic assets. They'd probably would have hidden us in a tradition hide out. That they didn't do so is well it's a sign of nothing good.

"Oh man, this kid can get a massive powerup from eating human flesh. I guess we should..."
a) "...trust to his good human nature and let him have peace of mind by keeping this a secret."
b) "...calmly explain the situation and make use of therapy and counseling to ensure he doesn't actually go cannibal."
c) "...start producing synthetic human flesh in little ration packs and brainwash him into being our supersoldier."
d) "...secretly feed him human flesh and then vivisect him to see what happens."


Pick one, and be aware that d) means that other factors have caused you to commit to never ever letting him out of his cell intact.
Oh, I do remember reading that.

I was just reacting to the fact that the myths/folklore supported it.

So it's gone from a speculation, an interesting one, to one that might have Muh Lore backing it.



I'm also, like, 110% sure that this long chain of slippery slope logic wasn't what was going through their heads when they made their choice.

I mean, if their actual worry is 'we'll eat human flesh for the sweet power-boost' there are about fifty different things they could have done, most notably, you know, not given us a taste for human flesh?
And again, I am not saying that this situation isn't shady. But it's so obviously shady that I am all but certain that there is something else going on. And certainly right now we don't have enough information to judge what the fuck is even going on.
 
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"Oh man, this kid can get a massive powerup from eating human flesh. I guess we should..."
a) "...trust to his good human nature and let him have peace of mind by keeping this a secret."
b) "...calmly explain the situation and make use of therapy and counseling to ensure he doesn't actually go cannibal."
c) "...start producing synthetic human flesh in little ration packs and brainwash him into being our supersoldier."
d) "...secretly feed him human flesh and then vivisect him to see what happens."


Pick one, and be aware that d) means that other factors have caused you to commit to never ever letting him out of his cell intact.

Honestly, if you told me before this update what was going on, in general, I'd have thought that B, C, or a combination[1] would be what they went with.

[1] Therapy to ensure he doesn't eat people, but then have him still eat synthetic human flesh and brainwash him into being unable to just take a bite out of crime, making him dependent on the Technocracy for another resource. And if he gets uppity, no synth-flesh for him, and thus you have something you can take away at any time.
 
I hope it's possible to get Lakshmi out too. We just managed to reconcile with our sister, and even if we hadn't, it would be a shame to leave her to be brainwashed further and potentially end up as enemies.
 
Honestly, if you told me before this update what was going on, in general, I'd have thought that B, C, or a combination[1] would be what they went with.

[1] Therapy to ensure he doesn't eat people, but then have him still eat synthetic human flesh and brainwash him into being unable to just take a bite out of crime, making him dependent on the Technocracy for another resource.
And that's my point. Such things are entirely within their capability and resources. Why haven't they done it? And no, it's not going to be they are just assholes. If the situation is like this, there is probably something much worse/complicated going on. But we simply don't have enough information to know what.
 
I hope it's possible to get Lakshmi out too. We just managed to reconcile with our sister, and even if we hadn't, it would be a shame to leave her to be brainwashed further and potentially end up as enemies.
Agreed.

"So Lakshmi, I'm...apparently a man-eater."
"Wow, I didn't know you swung that way."
"Not like that."
 
And that's my point. Such things are entirely within their capability and resources. Why haven't they done it? And no, it's not going to be they are just assholes. If the situation is like this, there is probably something much worse/complicated going on. But we simply don't have enough information to know what.

Well, you yourself just said they were panicking. Or speculated that they were.

The Technocracy is an Authoritarian Shadow Government that experiments with Science and Shit.

That the first panicked reaction is one completely out of place and stupid and also highly authoritarian, scientific, and highly illegal and immoral isn't that surprising.

And then once they're committed to the action, it takes time and work and effort to change their mind, because that's how humans work, and how systems work.

But whoops, their knee-jerk reaction has closed off all other options, so might as well just keep him locked up and experiment on him forever in the hopes of finding out something important/some way to move forward.
 
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Well, you yourself just said they were panicking. Or speculated that they were.

The Technocracy is an Authoritarian Shadow Government that experiments with Science and Shit.

That the first panicked reaction is one completely out of place and stupid and also highly authoritarian, scientific, and highly illegal and immoral isn't that surprising.
Yes, but why exactly would they be panicking? What was so urgent and important that they resorted to bringing down the veneer of civilization that they like to project? And so quickly?

Like, it's tempting to just go "Well they are stupid and shady Authoritarians so of course they would do this." But that's not addressing the actual reasons and the why that went into the decision.

The Technocracy has a shitton of resources, they usually don't resort to this sort of panic unless something's gone really wrong.
 
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Yes, but why exactly would they be panicking? What was so urgent and important that they resorted to bringing down the veneer of civilization that they like to project?

Like, it's tempting to just go "Well they are stupid and shady Authoritarians so of course they would do this." But that's not addressing the actual reasons and the why that went into the decision.

Well, if we seemed to be a strange inhuman thing, some strange EDE-spawned being that potentially gains power from eating bodies and is *gasp* Hindu and had a highly Trad-like Awakening...that'd probably be enough for a first bout of panic.

And then after they've fed Meg human flesh once or twice, well...they've kinda committed, haven't they?

I mean, literally the first thing they did was find a way to feed us long pork. Once they've done that, it gets harder and harder to actually back out of this shit.

They have sunk costs into this plan, and they'll get results or have to have black marks on their report.

Unlike @Revlid , I think it's at least still possible that they'll stick us in a brainwashing chamber and turn us into a supersoldier agent once they finish figuring out everything about us, instead of killing us.

Maybe? (a very weak maybe)

That'd be a bad end/game over anyways, so...
 
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I hope it's possible to get Lakshmi out too. We just managed to reconcile with our sister, and even if we hadn't, it would be a shame to leave her to be brainwashed further and potentially end up as enemies.

To touch on the brainwashing a bit it's...enh.

As I understand it and sorta branching off of what @Revlid said the Union likes to portray itself as Big Brother's big brother, they are in every smoky backroom, every shadowy server farm, every darkened alley. Always watching and always waiting.

The extent to which they can actually do that depends on what kind of game you're running but even in Revised it's acknowledged that this is sorta propaganda. The Union has always had finite resources and finite personnel and was badly taxed by the Anomaly/Avatar Storm. And brainwashing fits into that because it's entirely to the Union's advantage to have all the Trads and Vampires and wuffs thinking that they can mindfuck you into axemurdering your family with but a glance of their mirrorshades. But like...

In practice intense brainwashing is something that they can do (and do utilize for the ATLAS program) but it's complex and invasive and long term and involves basically breaking down the brain and building up something new. Disassembling your essential self is not something that's quick or convenient. They can do subtler things to be sure but that's usually hard to distinguish from "just makes a really really persuasive argument that appeals to you" with the way the NWO works.

Honestly it's more likely that they'll just...make Lakshmi feel like she belongs heh. And that's all they'll have to do.


go down

well

if you insist~

I mean, literally the first thing they did was find a way to feed us long pork. Once they've done that, it gets harder and harder to actually back out of this shit.

i mean

we put a fucking crater in reinforced (probably primium laced) stone and didn't even shatter our hand
 
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