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A Shrouded Dawn (Warhammer/Stellaris)

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SouvikKundu said:
Is it possible to add a pariah to shroud? How it will affect their power?
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Dependsnon what interpretation of pariah you have

1) pariahs have souls with "inverted" or "negative" proprties

Technically one could work around that

2) pariahs are souless

No soul no material to work from

3) some pariahs are inverted others are souless
 
SouvikKundu said:
Is it possible to add a pariah to shroud? How it will affect their power?
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just turn them into a Psion, their souls are simply Inverted to the normal warp signal. This is also why blanks are flat out useless against psions. They do nothing to them, and Anatol could just plop their soul into the Shroud turning them into normal Psions. It would take a good bit of effort to make Psionic Blanks.

Edit: One of the Fundamental Axioms of the quest is that everything that is sentient has a Soul. The Soul is required for actions beyond A -> B action sets. This means that even the Necrons have Souls still part of their programming.
 
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How does he view Emperor? His trait wise he seem to similar like Pre Heresy Emperor and dislike Gods. How that translates to His view of Imperial cult? Is he aware of his origin aka collective shaman etc?
 
SouvikKundu said:
How does he view Emperor? His trait wise he seem to similar like Pre Heresy Emperor and dislike Gods. How that translates to His view of Imperial cult? Is he aware of his origin aka collective shaman etc?
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Anatol is a proper little Imperial, he Loves Big E. The issue at hand is that he doesn't actually know how Humans see Emps. Anatol views Emps as his creator/father in a strange way, more so than a being infinitely above him. So, when he talks with the Church he gets highly confused as what they say, conflicts heavily with his version of the relationship of him and Emps.

Anatol, is suffering from the curse of being too intelligent without enough data points. Leading to erroneous conclusions on his side, which has gotten him in trouble with the Church. He fully assumed that Emps, would have sent visions or something to support his belief in his creation, as it made sense to him. He doesn't know about the whole Shroud/Warp divide so he thinks at the moment he is simply a creation of Emps meant to rebuild the Imperium, leading to his issues with Eliza.

He expected, her to have been given visions or some message from Emps, confirming his existence/duty. Which is why he didn't care about what he said regarding the church in question, he also has ran into issues with Doctrine vs what he sees/understands. Like with Syra and the other mutants, he expected based on Church decrees to see slavering beasts that couldn't think, instead he got children born from human parents that had a few divergences from human standard. That caused him issues, as he couldn't jive his belief in Emps making him to Improve the Imperium, with the Priests being the ones to condemn Humans for how they were born.

So that hit his faith in the words of the church, and now Eliza hit his faith in the priests of Emps once more. Leaving him remarkably unsure of what Emps wants from him. He knows that he is to improve the Imperium, but he isn't sure of how the parts of the Imperium fits together anymore.

Originally, his plan in the end was to make the Church the ultimate secular and religious authority in the Imperium. Now, he isn't sure based on their lack of sense when it comes to such obvious things. He doesn't realize that he by the time he spent a single day alive he had already done more mental activity than a full Hive world does in a year. Since he doesn't have the backing of years yet, he doesn't really know how Humans think, he was born fully cognizant of everything. He never had a time where he needed to grow up, he was born fully awake, leaving him bereft of the years of memories that normal humans have to lean on. He fakes it well, thanks to being able to replicate neuron structures and using that to shape his physical brain, but by and large he is absent the practice of years to form a theory of mind.

He understands that he is different, he doesn't get the degree of difference between him and a human. For example, to him discovering Fusion was the work of a couple months. He went from base principles to fully designed and operational reactors in sixty days or so. He doesn't understand that for a normal human working alone that would take thousands of years. he doesn't realize that an entire world working together would take literal centuries for that gain. To him he sees it simply as a difference of decades. So instead of 60 days it might take an average human 60 years to invent fusion. That is the major sticking point, Anatol expects everyone to be around Primarch intelligence and since they aren't it breaks all of his underlaying assumptions of how things work.
 
Reminds me a situation of Emperor. He is so far above humanity that he can not relate to them on their level. They seem quite similar mindset wise.
 
SouvikKundu said:
Reminds me a situation of Emperor. He is so far above humanity that he can not relate to them on their level. They seem quite similar mindset wise.
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Big-E had the original memories of the shamans who created him , so he wasn't completely ignorant of the human condition even if he had trouble relating to them , he would have at least been intellectually aware of them and their limits and the differences between him and them , Anatol on the other had does not have that so he is making (wrong)assumptions due to ignorance(the greatest of evils)
 
ok owe an apology to randomcringyjoke as l copy his plan name when l was rushing out the door my bad. now on to my finalised plan

ok l made a few plans because sometimes people don't have time so here you go

[x] power core
-[x] Lysa (your mother and the best researcher on Olynn bar yourself) 2AP
-[x] Astein (the chief apothecary) 1AP
-[x] Eliza (His Pontifex upon Olynn station) 1AP
-[x] Heat Conversion System (T7) (Locked by Anatol due to Criticality, 2559/32000, Locked until 8000, Vote weight for extra Action set to 2) 3AP
-[x] Determine estimated costs to repair selected systems (2 systems per action) 2AP
--[x] Back up aero/aquaponics (T2) (45)
--[x] Internal databanks
--[x] Anti-matter reactor
--[x] Anti-matter generators (Must be repaired) (T3) (16)
-[x] Cold Fusion Power (T2) 4AP


[] oh hi cloner/mum
-[] Lysa (your mother and the best researcher on Olynn bar yourself) 2AP
-[] Orsion (your father and the best engineer on the station) 1AP
-[] Heat Conversion System (T7) (Locked by Anatol due to Criticality, 2559/32000, Locked until 8000, Vote weight for extra Action set to 2) 3AP
-[] Determine estimated costs to repair selected systems (2 systems per action) 2AP
--[] Back up aero/aquaponics (T2) (45)
--[] Internal databanks
--[] Anti-matter reactor
--[] Anti-matter generators (Must be repaired) (T3) (16)
-[] Industrial Base (T5) 4AP
-[] Nanocomposite materials (T0) 1AP

a few more plans

[] Industrial debt
-[] Lysa (your mother and the best researcher on Olynn bar yourself) 2AP
-[] Heat Conversion System (T7) (Locked by Anatol due to Criticality, 2559/32000, Locked until 8000, Vote weight for extra Action set to 2) 3AP
-[] Determine estimated costs to repair selected systems (2 systems per action) 1AP
--[] Back up aero/aquaponics (T2) (45)
--[] Internal databanks
-[] Industrial Base (T5) 7AP+5AP overworked malus =12

[] shroud reserch
-[] Lysa (your mother and the best researcher on Olynn bar yourself) 2AP
-[] Astein (the chief apothecary) 1AP
-[] Eliza (His Pontifex upon Olynn station) 1AP
-[] Just wander around the station (might find someone new of interest or nothing of note) 1AP
-[] Heat Conversion System (T7) (Locked by Anatol due to Criticality, 2559/32000, Locked until 8000, Vote weight for extra Action set to 2) 3AP
-[] Determine estimated costs to repair selected systems (2 systems per action) 1AP
--[] Back up aero/aquaponics (T2) (45)
--[] Internal databanks
-[] Psionic Theory (Anatol exists, T4) 4AP
 
[X] Plan Priorities
-[x] Heat Conversion System (T7) (Locked by Anatol due to Criticality, 2559/32000, Locked until 8000, Vote weight for extra Action set to 2) 7AP
-[x] Industrial Base (T5) 4AP
-[x] Nanocomposite materials (T0) 2AP

Since we don't really have a reliable timetable for the heat system I want to get as much done as possible. The others to help form a solid base later on.
 
[X] Plan Priorities
-[x] Heat Conversion System (T7) (Locked by Anatol due to Criticality, 2559/32000, Locked until 8000, Vote weight for extra Action set to 2) 7AP
-[x] Industrial Base (T5) 4AP
-[x] Nanocomposite materials (T0) 2AP

i think we should begin to research on scientific method
 
to be honest here we should get the mother talk out the way this turn instead of anoying her and being forced next turn to do it.

Heat Conversion System Progress lets say 1250 the average for 3AP and we place 6 points into it so far. so using math 24 AP total for repair now 18 so if we dump AP in it 3 turns but we run into the problem of having little stuff to trade with the merchants thats arriving soon. 6 turns of 3AP for repair

Industrial Base great to have no complaints here

Nanocomposite materials is only 250 Research Points we only need 1AP as we have power armour for the most advanced examples and you seen how far overshoot we did for the hydroponics so l would place that extra point into Industrial Base

ps. not attack your plan just giving my view
 
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    • Scheduled vote count started by Leon12431 on Sep 13, 2021 at 11:40 AM, finished with 18 posts and 3 votes.
    • [X] Plan Priorities
      -[x] Heat Conversion System (T7) (Locked by Anatol due to Criticality, 2559/32000, Locked until 8000, Vote weight for extra Action set to 2) 7AP
      -[x] Industrial Base (T5) 4AP
      -[x] Nanocomposite materials (T0) 2AP
      [x] power core
      -[x] Lysa (your mother and the best researcher on Olynn bar yourself) 2AP
      -[x] Astein (the chief apothecary) 1AP
      -[x] Eliza (His Pontifex upon Olynn station) 1AP
      -[x] Heat Conversion System (T7) (Locked by Anatol due to Criticality, 2559/32000, Locked until 8000, Vote weight for extra Action set to 2) 3AP
      -[x] Determine estimated costs to repair selected systems (2 systems per action) 2AP
      --[x] Back up aero/aquaponics (T2) (45)
      --[x] Internal databanks
      --[x] Anti-matter reactor
      --[x] Anti-matter generators (Must be repaired) (T3) (16)
      -[x] Cold Fusion Power (T2) 4AP
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    • I can not wait for the moment he finally masters all of the station's technology. He might even find an STC database/constructor somewhere. The station is big enough that it should have one, even if it's location is somewhere they can not go to right now.

    Will he be capable of sharing knowledge with people he is connect to? That would make it easier to create new 'scientists' and engineers without needing the Mechanicus
     
    Hadrian.Caeser said:
    I can not wait for the moment he finally masters all of the station's technology. He might even find an STC database/constructor somewhere. The station is big enough that it should have one, even if it's location is somewhere they can not go to right now.

    Will he be capable of sharing knowledge with people he is connect to? That would make it easier to create new 'scientists' and engineers without needing the Mechanicus
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    I will state that there is no STC inside of Olynn. Olynn was built for a much grander purpose such that the primitive tech options for the average worlds wouldn't suffice.

    Yeah, Anatol can teach other people what he knows and in fact that's going to be part of the options on the greater scales. However, I will note that its a really bad idea to attempt to shove what Anatol knows into the mind of a human. A living Necron might be able to handle the information density, but a human would be sent into a coma. Anatol's understanding of things isn't comprehended in Human ways, his understanding is effectively encoded in his mind in a hyper data dense matrix that he can work with but would give Perturabo a headache trying to figure out how to read it.

    Trying to give Anatol's understanding of something to a Human would result in the brain either shutting down, or wiping out every last trace of information that it held to store the given information. Anatol's brain makes primarch brains seem like normal humans. His only near equal would be Emps or fully realized Perturabo in a form akin to Corvus.
     
    What is his advantages and disadvantages when you compare him with Pre Heresy Emperor?

    Is it possible to Purify/convert Daemon Primarch with his power?
     
    SouvikKundu said:
    What is his advantages and disadvantages when you compare him with Pre Heresy Emperor?

    Is it possible to Purify/convert Daemon Primarch with his power?
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    Anatol is the better Researcher/Builder, Emps is better at Combat. Emps falls behind on large scale workings, such as galactic scale boons or what not as well.

    Anatol works best in a lab or in a ritual that alters the course of a million small battles, Emps is best on the frontlines fighting other equal Champions or breakthrough a single point.

    Basically the two of them working together, would be a nearly unbeatable combination. Anatol can do Emps level research in decades instead of centuries and he takes centuries to do what would take thousands of years to do, but he can't fight like Emps can.

    Not answering that second part.
     
    SouvikKundu said:
    Will the Shourd able to create racial Gods like Ork Gods after it linked to enough People?
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    No, the Shroud is too balanced for that to occur. There are only 4 Shroud gods and no more will arise. As I said recently the Shroud doesn't like change its much much harder to shape than the Warp. You would require populations across dozens of galaxies to have a true shot at making a Shroud God. And I mean these galaxies would need to be pretty damm full of people
     
    SouvikKundu said:
    How Fate works who in under Shroud? Can Gods able to see them? Is it possible for him to kill Gods?
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    The Shroud is different from the warp with how fate works. Due to how it was shaped in the beginning there is a much less Destiny theme to the Shroud than the Warp. In other words, the Shroud's Precog spews out a million timelines that branch infinitely outward, making a Farseer type being impossible for the Shroud to support. Its Precog is also more self referential, as it takes itself into account unlike the Warp that is more personal scale. precognition battles in Shroud users turn very much into contests of who can react faster while warp precognition battles are tests of who has more skill at using the warp to see further and obscuring the other's sight.

    For reference, Anatol auto wins any Shroud Precog battle once he figures out how to use precog. He thinks too fast for anyone else to react to his Precog in time. He is fifty steps down his chain, while they are on step one and as such his Precog has won, while they are still enacting the first step of their chain.

    On the other hand Eldrad in a warp precog battle, is going to be weaving through a few thousand timelines, while also obscuring his future actions from his foe. Who is pitting their skill against his obscurations and also reading the future at the same time. But they both are reading different timelines, that don't take into account the event of precognition, only the results of its use.

    The Shroud Gods are also different from how the Chaos Gods work. The Shroud Gods are more akin to Anatol writ massive with no physical body, they are the Shroud. The Shroud is them there is no division between the Shroud and the Shroud Gods. Its just that the avatars that contact other beings are simply the largest possible fragments of the Shroud itself. Its very much akin to the idea of the Four Chaos Gods being subdivisions of one Universal Chaos God. Only in the Shroud's case, that is true and complete. This means that you can't harm the Shroud Gods without harming the Shroud.
     
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