There was a Spi...dea. (Sony, Spider-Man Producer Quest)

Qudrim8054 · Feb 18, 2022

[X] Plan The Crazy Six
-[X] The Shocker (Herman Schultz) would be a throwback to the first movie, and that's always neat.
-[X] Moses Magnum would certainly be interesting.
-[X] Kraven The Hunter (Sergei Kravinoff) could easily fit into the Sinister Six.
-[X] The Shredder could become one of the Sinister Six.
-[X] The Chameleon (Dmitri Kravinoff) could show up to kill Spider-Man, purely to hurt Black Cat.
-[X] Molten Man (Mark Allen-Toomes) could show up as a newly awakened Conduit, wanting to kill Spider-Man for sending his father to prison, not knowing that it's his friend Peter Parker under the mask.

Edit: Noticed the mistake and changed it.

Fluffy_serpent · Feb 18, 2022

[X] Plan: don't touch mysterio
-[X] The Shocker (Herman Schultz) would be a throwback to the first movie, and that's always neat.
-[X] The Vulture (Adrian Toomes) seems neat.
-[X] Moses Magnum would certainly be interesting.
-[X] Kraven The Hunter (Sergei Kravinoff) could easily fit into the Sinister Six.
-[X] Electro (Max Dillon) would take some explaining, but could be a decent fit.
-[X] The Rhino could show up as a prison buddy of The Shocker's.

Ashen Cross · Feb 18, 2022

[X] The Springing Sinister Six
-[X] The Shocker (Herman Schultz) would be a throwback to the first movie, and that's always neat.
-[X] The Vultress (Liz Allen-Toomes) could be an interesting apprentice to The Vulture, by becoming a supervillain like her father, wanting to take down Spider-Man.
-[X] The Rhino could show up as a prison buddy of The Shocker's.
-[X] Karai might be a good addition if you want to make her unique from the Shredder
-[X] Bombshell (Lori Baumgartner) might make a good surprise addition to the Six
-[X] Kraven The Hunter (Sergei Kravinoff) could easily fit into the Sinister Six. Maybe make Spider-Man his fist true hunt.

The idea I have is to make the Sinister Six around the same age as Peter. Make them have the power, but a sixth of the responsibility Spider-Man carries. What do you guys think?

Edit: Whoops! I did not see that I had seven until now. I removed an option.

Duke William of · Feb 18, 2022

Ashen Cross said:
-[X] The Shocker (Herman Schultz) would be a throwback to the first movie, and that's always neat.
-[X] The Vultress (Liz Allen-Toomes) could be an interesting apprentice to The Vulture, by becoming a supervillain like her father, wanting to take down Spider-Man.
-[X] The Rhino could show up as a prison buddy of The Shocker's.
-[X] Karai might be a good addition if you want to make her unique from the Shredder
-[X] Bombshell (Lori Baumgartner) might make a good surprise addition to the Six
-[X] Molten Man (Mark Allen-Toomes) could show up as a newly awakened Conduit, wanting to kill Spider-Man for sending his father to prison, not knowing that it's his friend Peter Parker under the mask.
-[X] Kraven The Hunter (Sergei Kravinoff) could easily fit into the Sinister Six. Maybe make Spider-Man his fist true hunt.

I believe the name of the group is the Sinister Six, not Sinister Seven.

OldGlory76 · Feb 18, 2022

[X] Plan The Crazy Six

Mindris · Feb 18, 2022

[X] Plan The Crazy Six

Orion Ultor · Feb 18, 2022

Yite said:
You had to cast: Kessler, Zeke Dunbar, Trish Dailey, Fetch Walker, Brent Walker, Reggie Rowe, Lucy Kuo, Jack Isbert, April O'Neil, Andre Gerard (Cyclone), John White, and Brooke Augustine.

Kessler: Aaron Eckhart, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Travis Fimmel or Jason Statham.

Zeke Dunbar: Haley Joel Osmund, Jonah Hill or Josh Gad.

Trish Dailey: Rose Byrne, Brie Larson or Amanda Bynes.

Fetch Walker: Elizabeth Gillies, Gillian Jacobs or Amanda Bynes.

Brent Walker: Nathan Keyes, Bill Hader or Barry Pepper.

Reggie Rowe: Adam Beach, Michael Greyeyes or Lou Diamond Phillips.

Lucy Kuo: Jamie Chung, Christine Ko or Ming-Na Wen.

Jack Isbert: Max Riemelt, Daniel Brühl or Mark Valley.

April O'Neil: Emma Stone, Kaya Scodelario or Shailene Woodley.

Andre Gerard: Christopher Lambert, Yvan Attal or Amr Waked.

John White: Anthony Mackie, Laz Alonso or Ricky Whittle.

Brooke Augustine: Sarah Shahi, Anna Torv or Erica Cerra.

Qudrim8054 said:
[X] Plan The Crazy Six

Fluffy_serpent said:
[X] Plan: don't touch mysterio

Ashen Cross said:
[X] The Springing Sinister Six

Biggest problem I have with these plans is that, in order to skirt around the Mysterio issue, they effectively ignore Ghost Rider as a movie, essentially making it a standalone movie in our first phase [which will cut down the number of people willing to rewatch it], and beyond that, each of them seems to prioritize the introduction of a new villain (or more) over diving straight into the narrative, which is not only a disservice to the audience who expect villains from all the previous movies to show up but to the narrative that has already built Mysterio up.

Meanie · Feb 18, 2022

Orion Ultor said:
Biggest problem I have with these plans is that, in order to skirt around the Mysterio issue, they ignore Ghost Rider as a movie, effectively making it a standalone movie in our first phase [which will cut down the number of people willing to rewatch it], and beyond that, each of them seems to prioritize the introduction of a new villain (or more) over diving straight into the narrative, which is not only a disservice to the audience who expect villains from all the previous movies to show up but to the narrative that has already built Mysterio up.

What if we have a character pop up and say, "Oh hey have you heard about that Ghost Rider guy?" to tie the Ghost Rider movie into the cinematic universe. You're welcome.
(We can also do the same for Mysterio so that fans are like 'Woah did they mention Mysterio?!' and they'll rewatch it again because they just have to know if they really did say Mysterio.)

BuKoG · Feb 18, 2022

[X] Plan Callback

Duke William of · Feb 18, 2022

Meanie said:
What if we have a character pop up and say, "Oh hey have you heard about that Ghost Rider guy?" to tie the Ghost Rider movie into the cinematic universe.

That just seems like the laziest way possible to tie Ghost Rider into the SCU, IMO.

Fluffy_serpent · Feb 18, 2022

Orion Ultor said:
Kessler: Aaron Eckhart, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Travis Fimmel or Jason Statham.

Zeke Dunbar: Haley Joel Osmund, Jonah Hill or Josh Gad.

Trish Dailey: Rose Byrne, Brie Larson or Amanda Bynes.

Fetch Walker: Elizabeth Gillies, Gillian Jacobs or Amanda Bynes.

Brent Walker: Nathan Keyes, Bill Hader or Barry Pepper.

Reggie Rowe: Adam Beach, Michael Greyeyes or Lou Diamond Phillips.

Lucy Kuo: Jamie Chung, Christine Ko or Ming-Na Wen.

Jack Isbert: Max Riemelt, Daniel Brühl or Mark Valley.

April O'Neil: Emma Stone, Kaya Scodelario or Shailene Woodley.

Andre Gerard: Christopher Lambert, Yvan Attal or Amr Waked.

John White: Anthony Mackie, Laz Alonso or Ricky Whittle.

Brooke Augustine: Sarah Shahi, Anna Torv or Erica Cerra.

Biggest problem I have with these plans is that, in order to skirt around the Mysterio issue, they effectively ignore Ghost Rider as a movie, essentially making it a standalone movie in our first phase [which will cut down the number of people willing to rewatch it], and beyond that, each of them seems to prioritize the introduction of a new villain (or more) over diving straight into the narrative, which is not only a disservice to the audience who expect villains from all the previous movies to show up but to the narrative that has already built Mysterio up.

Why do you act as if you know what everyone has planned?

and what does the ghost rider movie (where mysterio had a minor role...didn't even appear as mysterio) have to do with whether or not mysterio is a member of the sinister six.

Meanie · Feb 18, 2022

Duke William of said:
That just seems like the laziest way possible to tie Ghost Rider into the SCU, IMO.

What if instead we just hint to Ghost Rider's presence instead of outright saying his name? I'm thinking that maybe in the beginning some guy would say, "Oh hey I saw a GHOST!" and at the end someone will blurt out, "Woah, did you see that new movie RIDER?" and it'd be a cool little easter egg for the fans to see and it'd also tie the Ghost Rider movie to the wider universe. (I thought about it and this seems like a pretty bad idea. Instead, the character should say, "Oh hey I saw a GHOST!" in front of the Rider movie poster. This'll be a cool little easter-egg and we might be able to get some money because we advertised the movie, Rider.)

Duke William of · Feb 18, 2022

Meanie said:
I'm thinking that maybe in the beginning some guy would say, "Oh hey I saw a GHOST!" and at the end someone will blurt out, "Woah, did you see that new movie RIDER?"

...Fans are bloody meticulous with details in movies, yes, but I really don't know how they're going to connect these two sentences together and see it's a hint to Ghost Rider existing.

Plus, this seems oh so convoluted when we could just use a guy in the Ghost Rider movie as part of the Sinister Six.

Orion Ultor · Feb 18, 2022

Meanie said:
What if we have a character pop up and say, "Oh hey have you heard about that Ghost Rider guy?" to tie the Ghost Rider movie into the cinematic universe. You're welcome.

That's just lazy writing, it's better to show people what's going. Show, don't tell.

Fluffy_serpent said:
Why do you act as if you know what everyone has planned?

Why is that your opening argument?

I don't, my points are based around previous votes and discussions [inThread and inDiscord] and the narrative we've already established, all of which serves to tell the inUniverse audience a better story.

Fluffy_serpent said:
and what does the ghost rider movie (where mysterio had a minor role...didn't even appear as mysterio) have to do with whether or not mysterio is a member of the sinister six.

Because we're creating a Cinematic universe, where everything is interconnected. Why wouldn't we create stronger ties between our various properties by not only their characters, but their villains?

And before anyone says anything about Danny Ketch, the causal audience [that a lot of our money comes from] barely has a clue about the connection between him and Johnny, especially since we haven't fully established that on screen yet.

Meanie · Feb 18, 2022

Duke William of said:
...Fans are bloody meticulous with details in movies, yes, but I really don't know how they're going to connect these two sentences together and see it's a hint to Ghost Rider existing. Plus, this seems oh so convoluted when we could just use a guy in the Ghost Rider movie as part of the Sinister Six.

I thought of that! My second idea is much better than the first. Instead of just using an actor from the movie we want to tie together to the others, why not just add a cool easter-egg so fans are like super amazed and Youtube channels would be analyzing the details to the movie. I have created a scenario for the second idea which I will put here if you don't mind.

"Oh hey guys this is Jingle Jammer 64, the ultimate movie reviewer!" Cue explosion stock footage and a text saying "Movie Reviewahhh!" using the Helvetica font. The video then changes to a clip of the movie about the Sinister Six and Jingle Jammer 64 is narrating in the background, "Have you see that new DC movie? Man it's pretty epic!" and then some explosion sound effects and guns like firing all over the place. The clip ends and we see Jingle Jammer standing in front of a greenscreen.

"So hey, have you seen that movie Ghost Rider?" says Jingle Jammer. "Well there's an easter-egg about it in the movie!"
A picture appears of the person who said "Oh hey I saw a GHOST!" In front of a movie poster for the movie, Rider.
"As you can see someone said Ghost in front of the movie poster for Rider, thereby hinting to the existence of Ghost Rider."
The camera then zooms into Jingle Jammer and he smiles, "So overall pretty good movie I'd rate it a 9/10"

My writing sucks, but you get the gist of it! More videos about our movie = the more interested people are about our movie and there will be fan involvement because they'll want to decipher our easter-eggs.

OldGlory76 · Feb 18, 2022

Orion Ultor said:
Biggest problem I have with these plans is that, in order to skirt around the Mysterio issue, they effectively ignore Ghost Rider as a movie, essentially making it a standalone movie in our first phase [which will cut down the number of people willing to rewatch it], and beyond that, each of them seems to prioritize the introduction of a new villain (or more) over diving straight into the narrative, which is not only a disservice to the audience who expect villains from all the previous movies to show up but to the narrative that has already built Mysterio up.

Quentin Beck wasn't even Mysterio in that movie! It really feels like you want to derail his character arc over a nitpick. His character arc seems to be his slow progression into a hero. Why do you want to derail that? There are other ways to imply that the Ghost Rider movie happened in this universe. Like hearsay about someone seeing a guy with a flaming skull for a head.

Fluffy_serpent · Feb 18, 2022

Orion Ultor said:
That's just lazy writing, it's better to show people what's going. Show, don't tell.

Why is that your opening argument?

I don't, my points are based around previous votes and discussions [inThread and inDiscord] and the narrative we've already established, all of which serves to tell the inUniverse audience a better story.

Because we're creating a Cinematic universe, where everything is interconnected. Why wouldn't we create stronger ties between our various properties by not only their characters, but their villains?

And before anyone says anything about Danny Ketch, the causal audience [that a lot of our money comes from] barely has a clue about the connection between him and Johnny, especially since we haven't fully established that on screen yet.

literally ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENT is based on what YOU BELIEVE is what everyone is planning to do.....

also you know that people are not stupid?

they already know that sony plans to create their own universe, there is no need to scream in their faces THIS MOVIE IS PART OF THIS UNIVERSE, IT IS NOT AN INDEPENDENT ONE.

i think it's a very stupid reason to ruin a character and all the development that has been given to him throughout the movies/series.

Fluffy_serpent · Feb 18, 2022

OldGlory76 said:
Quentin Beck wasn't even Mysterio in that movie! It really feels like you want to derail his character arc over a nitpick. His character arc seems to be his slow progression into a hero. Why do you want to derail that? There are other ways to imply that the Ghost Rider movie happened in this universe. Like hearsay about someone seeing a guy with a flaming skull for a head.

finally someone who understands

Starblight · Feb 18, 2022

[X] Plan: don't touch mysterio

Orion Ultor · Feb 18, 2022

OldGlory76 said:
Quentin Beck wasn't even Mysterio in that movie! It really feels like you want to derail his character arc over a nitpick. His character arc seems to be his slow progression into a hero. Why do you want to derail that? There are other ways to imply that the Ghost Rider movie happened in this universe. Like hearsay about someone seeing a guy with a flaming skull for a head.

I went over everything inQuest regarding Mysterio-

Yite said:
[] Quinten Beck is one of the members of Johnny's crew, doing SFX for his stunts, mostly involved in the pyrotechnics for Johnny's stunts. He wouldn't have much of a role within the movie, but you could definitely use him later on in either a Spider-Man project, or maybe even an original Mysterio movie? Who knows? It could be interesting.

Yite said:
You had also added Roderick Kingsley, in the comics he's The Hobgoblin, but here? He's the director of the motorcycle show, who would later be revealed to be embezzling the funds for various charities that the show, and Crash Simpson himself had sponsored. Johnny goes into a rage at this, turning into the Ghost Rider of his own volition for the first time, and subjecting him to the Penance Stare, leaving the man comatose for a few weeks.

Yite said:
Should you do that? Make The Orb, Mysterio's cousin?

[] You know what? That sounds kind of interesting. Fuck it, let's do it!

Yite said:
[] Leonardo DiCaprio: A great actor, who sadly still hasn't gotten an Oscar, despite being nominated multiple times. His take on Quinten Beck was more... passionate, and driven than the others. He seemed truly passionate when it came to special effects, and illusions in general.

Yite said:
Leonardo DiCaprio as Quinten Beck had quickly become a fan favorite, and Spider-Man fans everywhere were excited for this new portrayal of Mysterio. And hey, with this level of acting, you could definitely see an Oscar in the future for him.

Yite said:
[] Quinten Beck putting on a green suit with a cape, before smiling and adorning an orb-like helmet.

Yite said:
The mid-credit scene was all about Quinten Beck putting on his iconic Mysterio suit, before putting his orb-like helmet on with a smile. A good tease for a future project using Mysterio.

Yite said:
Quinten Beck/Mysterio (Leonardo DiCaprio) Screen Presence: 107.

Then, there was Leonardo DiCaprio's Mysterio post-credit scene.

If you were to put into a single word? It would be: Marvelous.

Everything had just gone... right, for the post-credit scene in a way that you still wouldn't have been able to imagine.

Yite said:
But, what people were mainly focused on, was... Mysterio.

Fans had loved the pure fan service that was within the background of the scene, while the critics had praised everything, from the backgrounds, the costume design, to even the minuscule details of Leonardo DiCaprio's acting.

Everyone loved the Mysterio mid-credit scene.

Yite said:
[] Mysterio shows up for a B-Plot, working in a laboratory, working on making a fusion of magic and technology, Mysterio is there as the so-called magic expert, even though he knows nothing of how magic works.

Yite said:
Quinten Beck/Mysterio (Leonardo DiCaprio) Screen Presence: 99.

Leonardo DiCaprio has once again shown off his incredible talent, portraying Quinten Beck in the B-plot of the movie, watching him stumble his way with other scientists, attempting to create a fusion of technology and magic.

You found the fact that Mysterio was the "magic expert" hilarious, especially when you saw the character admit to himself that... he barely knew the basics.

Yite said:
[] Quinten Beck, also known as Mysterio could show up in the background of most of the show, trying to redeem himself of his acts in helping Kessler make the Ray Sphere with his "Magic Knowledge".

-and to be totally honest, his character arc is still reads like it's in the initial stages. As of right now, he reads like an opportunist who really regrets his involvement in the Ray Sphere, and there are a lot directions [besides immediately becoming a hero] we can take this in.

Maybe, becoming one of the Sinister Six is just another stumbling block [like falsifying his credentials] for him to overcome, just another one of his actions he regrets doing, 'cause all he really wanted was to be free, and something he holds close to him as he works to become better; hell, it adds something to his character that makes him more relatable to people, the journey toward overcoming his mistakes. Alternatively, it's not something he regrets but something he was forced into, which conveniently has an undo button in that after the Sinister Six are defeated, all he has to do is provide people with evidence of the truth and he's in the clear to act a lot more heroically from the getgo, making him the token good guy on the supervillain team.

Fluffy_serpent said:
literally ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENT is based on what YOU BELIEVE is what everyone is planning to do.....

Strange then, that your argument is what your opinion is of my plans.

also you know that people are not stupid?

Where have I ever stated or implied this? You are the one who specifically asked-

Fluffy_serpent said:
and what does the ghost rider movie (where mysterio had a minor role...didn't even appear as mysterio) have to do with whether or not mysterio is a member of the sinister six.

- and I gave my response, to reiterate the fact everything is visually interconnected...which is why I'm a little baffled that yours was to immediately attack character and intent of my statement, so I'll ask this once and only once, don't put words or thoughts in my mouth that aren't my own.

You asked for an answer, and while it's fine to not like the response, all of that was really unnecessary.

Fluffy_serpent said:
they already know that sony plans to create their own universe, there is no need to scream in their faces THIS MOVIE IS PART OF THIS UNIVERSE, IT IS NOT AN INDEPENDENT ONE.

As of right now, you are the only one screaming.

Again, I'm of the opinion that visual reinforcement is better than unnecessary exposition to a majority casual audience [Show, Don't Tell], 'cause let's face it, we all know how often people forget basic plot points in exposition heavy movies. The amount of times I had to explain Bucky already being kinda supersoldier before falling in the ice to friends in rewatch parties...ugh.

Servo1991 · Feb 18, 2022

[X] Plan The Crazy Six

Lord M · Feb 18, 2022

[X] Plan The Crazy Six

Currently the most voted plan without Mysterio.

Also making a Infamous villain part of the sinister six sounds like a fun idea.

Martin Noctis · Feb 18, 2022

[X] Plan The Crazy Six

Fluffy_serpent · Feb 18, 2022

Orion Ultor said:
Again, I'm of the opinion that visual reinforcement is better than unnecessary exposition to a majority casual audience [Show, Don't Tell], 'cause let's face it, we all know how often people forget basic plot points in exposition heavy movies. The amount of times I had to explain Bucky already being kinda supersoldier before falling in the ice to friends in rewatch parties...ugh.

sorry for being so aggressive, I had understood that you wanted to make him a villain and it seemed such a waste from a creative and economic point of view that I got angry (a lot) but if the idea is to make it something like he was tricked (possibly using chameleon pretending to be spider-man) or something like that, then I have no problem with your plan (again, sorry if I sounded aggressive, I was defending my idea of a non-villain mysterio and it seemed that so easily all the effort would go down the drain really made me angry).

i mean,i still don't agree with almost everything you said to me

do your friends have a fish memory or is my memory better than i thought?

haha,out of joke it's weird for me to need a visual aid and all that stuff that is part of your argument to use mysterio since it's unthinkable for me to need a reminder or clarification for anything that happened to me or I read/seen in the last 3 years.

Fieryfoxpaws · Feb 18, 2022

[X] Plan Callback

There was a Spi...dea. (Sony, Spider-Man Producer Quest)

a snake pretending to be human

I really need to finish my quests. :V

Everything’s Got A Price.

I really need to finish my quests. :V

a snake pretending to be human

I really need to finish my quests. :V

Everything’s Got A Price.

a snake pretending to be human

a snake pretending to be human

Everything’s Got A Price.

Apostle of the DICE Gods.

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