Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

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Dear reader! Whether you are new here, archive-reading and whatnot, or you are already someone who has been with us for quite a while, I would like to say a few words that I believe are best kept close to mind.

-This is an MLP quest. And more importantly, none of us are gratuitously cruel. So good things will happen on this quest, and I hope that enough good things have already happened to prove that.
-This is also a horror quest, so bad things will happen. Bad things might happen to good characters if you are not able to protect them, and you most certainly will not be able to intervene if you lack the tools to do so.
-And finally, this is a quest in which you jostle with powers greater than yourself, with all that it entails.

Please, do keep those things in mind as you go forward. But ultimately, this is also a quest in which it is hoped we all have fun! So if any of the above points is not exactly your cup of tea, or somehow make the experience as a whole "not worth it", then this quest might not be for you. Which is fine! Individual tastes are a thing, so don't think any more about it if you don't want to read anymore. And regardless, I hope you have a lovely day!

PSA for whoever needs to hear it:

Readers should take their own mental health into consideration when voting and not subject themselves to triggering narrative elements like rape or constant mental torture of a friend just for the Greatest Good of a world that doesn't exist.

If those are fine for you or Regrettable is even more triggering, then GREAT! More power to you. But you aren't a bad or selfish person for picking the option that keeps the characters you've emotionally connected with safe. [REDACTED for spoiler warning]

This is a high intensity quest that doesn't hold back when it comes to horror and negative consequences. Take care of yourself.
(Quote slightly edited to avoid spoilers)
 
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Adhoc vote count started by gutza1 on Jan 28, 2022 at 9:14 AM, finished with 52 posts and 27 votes.
 
So while we at it what is the point of picking TRUTH-COMPROMISE?

We don't admit to anything here except for the fact we are willing to do bad things in the future. And Stormchaser answer us that he would not allow it. So what is the purpose?
To offer honesty about the kind of person we are, to someone who is trying to cooperate with us in good faith.
 
I forgot to say per Lore. Although the secondary Lore with a +50 magic means she would just need +10, which could be a Level one reagent or Artifact. That and the Artifact Five would be garunteed, plain and simple.

So… pick up a Forge Five and Heart Five, with Grail One and Edge One, and an Alicorn could do either of the healing rituals at will. Or maybe just grab a Level Five Artifact for everything, and then they could do any ritual at will. Except Ascenscions and Influence Three and Four. Celestia could probably manage it. Luna too, once she's recovered and in power again.
you know, actually... we don't really have to convince her about the ritual.

And maybe not even Stormchaser.

@BirdBodhisattva from what I know the 2-circle rituals we know (except Tapestry) are considered self-evident as long as you know the basic configuration of the 2-circle setup.

Wouldn't teaching Stormchaser/Celestia the basics of the lores, and then showing them those circles, be enough to have them understand how they work and what they'd do?

If that's the case, wouldn't that be enough to prove that "healing" is all they do?

and, Side note, we'd be teaching her a way to heal crippling physical and mental wounds from anyone she cares about. Does she have, for example, any guard who got crippled in her service? She can heal them, OR have us heal them!

Does she have any old student she's fond of, or a friendly noble like Fancy Pants who got hurt during the changeling uprising? She can heal them!

[X] Plan Most of It, Cult Version

I so no reason to include talking about Luna, and generating new problems. If we do talk about Luna we have to commit to Removing the Scared and Frightened from Velvet, in the next 4 turn. So Stormchaser knows that that we can make use of the the rituals without issue. Scootaloo to if possible to drive home the point


The reason is that, in this moment where our barriers are down and we're coming clean... we're still keeping a secret. and a pretty important one at that.

If it ever came up, he'd definitely be disappointed we didn't trust him with this.

So, random thought as I try and fail to go to sleep, but the teaching system is really interesting. It took the Inner circle members… what, about a year to get to Levels three and Four? Half that for Comet? But with Velvet's help we can get someone from just barely enlightened to that level in, like, two or three months. One of which doesn't even take dedicated effort from Velvet thanks to our library, unless they happen to be Edge. That's kinda hilarious. Imagine if we get both Stormchaser and Soft Sweeps enlightened this turn, and actually train them, as well as Rarity. We would practically have an entire Inner Circle by the next Cult meeting after this one. Especially if we turn Comet and get Lantern Four to train Jade.
Little Velvet, you continuosly surprise me. You managed to form a personal cadre the equal of my best advisors, while still maintaining an illusion of loyalty...

Uh... actually I just taught them all last month. Turns out I'm a better teacher than you when I'm really trying :V
 
and, Side note, we'd be teaching her a way to heal crippling physical and mental wounds from anyone she cares about. Does she have, for example, any guard who got crippled in her service? She can heal them, OR have us heal them!

Does she have any old student she's fond of, or a friendly noble like Fancy Pants who got hurt during the changeling uprising? She can heal them!
We should also hopefully have rescued + healed Twilight by then, so she may be able to vouch for the efficacy of our occult healing rituals.
 
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Like, say, war with the crystal Empire maybe?

We're probably due for that one. And that's if Discord doesn't act first. Or if the Plundervines don't suddenly start invading Ponyville from the Everfree.

...or, you know, maybe we'll be invaded by Parasprites and suffer a famine due to them.

Honestly, I don't think Discord is going to do anything now if he hasn't done anything before between Chrysallis takeover to now. Most likely MLP enemy to come around are honestly the Windingos; since, you actually don't need a spooky Mansus ritual to summon just a lot of distrust between ponies to cause a stir if the myths are to believed. A massacre is precisely the sort of event which cause ponies to become more insular and go lock out everyone else we have to protect ourselves. Also, we kind of taught the cult how to summon them, and I am pretty sure master isn't going to stop using them with their goal of douse the light soon. I am sure he can think of some use for them when his current goal is destruction of the current world order.
 
The reason is that, in this moment where our barriers are down and we're coming clean... we're still keeping a secret. and a pretty important one at that.

If it ever came up, he'd definitely be disappointed we didn't trust him with this.
Absolutely, but is it worse than telling him truth, making it look like we trust him, and then working around him on conducting Luna ritual despite his disagreement? Like there are multiple suggestions on how to change his mind but we are warned about consequences, and short of leashing him there is no sure approach to it.

To offer honesty about the kind of person we are, to someone who is trying to cooperate with us in good faith.
Trying is keyword here. Until now he was more like an obstacle to us. And he will continue to be so for the Luna ritual and for other unconvinced options. And we will be forced to spend actions on dealing with it, when said actions could have been used to increase our chances to safe Twilight or help other ponies.

The less actions we have the more cornered we will become the more desperate measures Velvet will be forced to take. My position is better to make moral compromises now where we can afford it than corner themselves and be forced to make worse compromises down the line like it happened with leashing Rarity.
 
[X] Plan Veritas
[X] Plan Luna and Lores

These have my support. I especially think it important to tell stormchaser everything and not convince him to compromise on morality, we need someone to keep us on the straight and narrow.
 
We should also hopefully have rescued + healed Twilight by then, so she may be able to vouch for the efficacy of our occult healing rituals.
that might also help convincing Stormchaser actually, showing that a ritual was able of healing a unicorn's horn, something nothing else can do.

Honestly, I don't think Discord is going to do anything now if he hasn't done anything before between Chrysallis takeover to now. Most likely MLP enemy to come around are honestly the Windingos; since, you actually don't need a spooky Mansus ritual to summon just a lot of distrust between ponies to cause a stir if the myths are to believed. A massacre is precisely the sort of event which cause ponies to become more insular and go lock out everyone else we have to protect ourselves. Also, we kind of taught the cult how to summon them, and I am pretty sure master isn't going to stop using them with their goal of douse the light soon. I am sure he can think of some use for them when his current goal is destruction of the current world order.
I agree with Discord, I wasn't really thinking about Windigos appearing by themselves but it's certainly possible...

Absolutely, but is it worse than telling him truth, making it look like we trust him, and then working around him on conducting Luna ritual despite his disagreement? Like there are multiple suggestions on how to change his mind but we are warned about consequences, and short of leashing him there is no sure approach to it.
Maybe, maybe not. I think at least trying to work with him before acting out should be worth something, and this specific betrayal would come with a healed Luna after it, and if she still remembered her life as Selene she'd probably be on our side.

Of all the betrayals we can go through, this is one we know, at the very least, would end up well (at least for Selene/Luna). He can't even really stop it, not with his need to work far from home.
 
…Don't you roll and storyboard everything at the beginning of a turn? Or is there enough flexibility in this one that you held off on some things? Or did I just remember wrong in general?
Oh, I try storyboarding to the best of my abilities. But now that we have the benefit of hindsight, I can say that my storyboarding is often stumped whenever one of the updates involves a vote

You know, that thing that basically says game over if we're not ready by the time it hits?
A shame the "Exile DLC" is not compatible with our current "Mod: Happy Family!" we have installed, innit?

We could be a real ass and have her say she wants to learn them.

To get her memories back for example.
True. But denying a child something they want is a part of parenting. Especially if the child "thinks" what they want is for the best. Knowing better is the parent's job.

The fact that on this particular circumstance Stormchaser would be wrong is just another point of realism. Parents aren't perfect. Even Velvet isn't a perfect mom.

Hey Bird, out of curiosity, do you mind pulling back the curtain on how our two convincement points came about? Is that just how well we rolled, or just the amount of… personal clout, I suppose would the best way to put it, that we have with Stormchaser?
The only thing I am willing to do in good conscience is to point that your Attention of the Laws was consumed.

Apart from that, it involved a lot of rereading old sections of the quest. But since it also involves factors you don't know about, I can't say much more.

That's the thing, they wouldn't be gutted. I highly doubt Ponyville has enough of a police force to capture and contain… oh, a third of the town or so, if my estimations are right?
The "numbers" aren't nearly that high. However, I think you have the right idea when it comes to "reach".

As in. Cult Influence in Ponyville is currently at "+9". Which means you have +9 in several actions that involves interaction with the city at large.

Won't get into numbers. But think about it like this. Every shop you want to buy from, every aspect of the town you want to interact with, the chances of a cult member being able to "nudge" things in your favor to the point of justifying a +9.

One third of the town is way too much, way too dramatic. But one cashier in every other shop, one pony who "knows somepony" that can help you with a particular issue, somepony who just happens to be walking along the street and is suddenly interested in helping you. That sort of thing doesn't require one third of Ponyville to be in on it. It doesn't even require one tenth of Ponyville to be part of the cult.

But even if you only have one cult member in every three houses, that's one agent interested in making sure his family, and his two neighbors, are within the cult's influence.

(But still, you're right about worrying about the logistics of arresting a large, somewhat decentralized, Moth-based institution with at least a three-digits member count)

Fundamentally I am operating under the assumption that Bird created Dull Glass as a credible and meaningful threat. As an antagonist.
Yes.

Also, again, your intel on Dull Glass is severely lacking. Your only efforts towards that have been, to date, having Rarity investigate him.

And don't get me wrong, I respect Rarity's abilities (and yes, I do know she reads investigative novels) and she had her fair chance at dice rolls. But she is still only a Grail Initiate. Hardly what I'd call stacking the odds in your favor.

(And before you beat yourselves over it, remember the amount of things you have to worry about. If you couldn't muster more effort towards that, then you couldn't.)

Stormchaser would be against us even teaching Selene the level 3 lesson if we tell him about what happened. And would outright fight us on the ritual to restore Luna.
Not quite. You're free to do the Level 3 lessons. The ritual to heal Luna, however, will depend on this vote, indeed.

Velvet gives Celestia her arguments to gain her permission to proceed but Stormchaser can't do the same.
I wasn't going to make any comments on this running argument between you and Ericwinter. But let me just point out there is an extremely large problem with this particular piece right here.

...also, strictly speaking we never got involved with murder. We were partially responsible for the death of the guards, Luna's madness was an unintended side-effect, the changeling were all enemy infiltrators which don't count, and the whole purpose of the expedition was (in our eyes) to not only remove a threat but to save the prisoners.

A series of miscalculations and accidents, but from those standards we're actually barely in the clear I think.
I'm not saying I agree or disagree. But let me just say I always enjoy seeing these thought processes.

"It's not that bad when we get it wrong!", "We didn't know, we couldn't have known!" or "It was an accident!"

Truly, history is written by the winners :V

Shame on you bird, where's the option to tell him about our new step-son? I cannot stomach the discrimination, smh. #Releasethewolfreleasethetruth
"So, Stormy, I know you always wanted a colt..."

"Well, yes. I did fancy having a tiny-you unicorn running around. And Silky could learn a lot from having a little brother. But, uh... we have already been through this dear. We agreed that you can't... quite...-"

"Oh, no, no no. Don't worry Stormy. I'm not bringing that up. Much better, I'm here to tell you I brought a solution!"

"You... brought a solution...?"

"Yes! To your son-wanting problems!"

"..."

"..."

"Sweetheart, did you just bring another foal home?"

"Not a foal, Stormy. Something much better!"

Like, say, war with the crystal Empire maybe?

We're probably due for that one. And that's if Discord doesn't act first. Or if the Plundervines don't suddenly start invading Ponyville from the Everfree.

...or, you know, maybe we'll be invaded by Parasprites and suffer a famine due to them.
(Writes down suggestions)

"You'd be surprised at how many ideas I get just from reading what you guys say..."

:V

@BirdBodhisattva would we need actions to understand which lores Stormchaser and Silky are inclined to? I think we know them enough that it should be easy to determine.
Let's keep the cart behind the pony, not the other way around.

@BirdBodhisattva from what I know the 2-circle rituals we know (except Tapestry) are considered self-evident as long as you know the basic configuration of the 2-circle setup.

Wouldn't teaching Stormchaser/Celestia the basics of the lores, and then showing them those circles, be enough to have them understand how they work and what they'd do?
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He hasn't thought about one yet.

Irrational, isn't it? I agree.
-for an explanation on "Parental Irrationality".

Discord is not appearing in the story he is in another HISTORY
"I'm sorry Mario Fluttershy, your Princess Discord is in another HISTORY" :V

Thank you for that mental image. I can 100% imagine Discord snapping his fingers, and putting himself in a dress inside a cage, while dressing up Fluttershy with a characteristically red hat.



Aye, that's it for properly catching up. Vote-closing has been set for our usual 48h after update, so that's Saturday night.

I hope you are all doing well!
 
I'm not saying I agree or disagree. But let me just say I always enjoy seeing these thought processes.

"It's not that bad when we get it wrong!", "We didn't know, we couldn't have known!" or "It was an accident!"

Truly, history is written by the winners :V
hey, all I'm saying is that we didn't murder anyone. If that's his line... :whistle:

"So, Stormy, I know you always wanted a colt..."

"Well, yes. I did fancy having a tiny-you unicorn running around. And Silky could learn a lot from having a little brother. But, uh... we have already been through this dear. We agreed that you can't... quite...-"

"Oh, no, no no. Don't worry Stormy. I'm not bringing that up. Much better, I'm here to tell you I brought a solution!"

"You... brought a solution...?"

"Yes! To your son-wanting problems!"

"..."

"..."

"Sweetheart, did you just bring another foal home?"

"Not a foal, Stormy. Something much better!"

You know, I actually missed the post you quoted somehow. Shame on me, to not notice mention of our son slash pet!

...also hey, did you imply that Velvet can't have more children? Because THAT sounds like something that can be solved by a ritual!

(Writes down suggestions)

"You'd be surprised at how many ideas I get just from reading what you guys say..."

:V
...I'm unsure if I want to go into a corner and don the hat of shame, or double down and mention a few other possible threats.

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-for an explanation on "Parental Irrationality".
...you know, on this one thing I'd be fine going behind his back or maybe leashing him, just for the duration of the ritual.

and I know, it's a bit hypocritical of me... but it reminds me a bit of no-vax parents, if more eldritchy :rofl:

In any case who knows, maybe we'll find a good and unnoticeable alternative with Knock 2-3 boon, or we'll be able to use the elements of harmony after Twilight has been rescued, hoping that Luna's mind is now strong enough that the elements will decide NOT to seal the memories again...

or we can fake it. Look Stormchaser, Selene suddenly grew into Luna shortly after her lessons were completed! how miraculous! :V

...or we might be boring and just... talk about this again in a few months, hoping the situation will have changed enough for him to be willing to reconsider. People can change their mind after all, and showing him the positive effects of rituals on ourselves could be a good first step.
 
...you know, on this one thing I'd be fine going behind his back or maybe leashing him, just for the duration of the ritual.

and I know, it's a bit hypocritical of me... but it reminds me a bit of no-vax parents, if more eldritchy
To be fair, Velvet's theories on lore-based Alicorn-awakening are not peer-reviewed, tested or generally accepted by the eldritch lore science community.
 
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The answer is it depends.

Also, I'm waiting for Discord to just roll up and dunk on the cult while complaining about how boringly predictable Mansus ponies are with their silly Laws and rules that he can break/ignore on a whim. Conflict always leads to the final resolution of injury and death? How quaint. This time it lead to balloons that burst into popcorn.
 
Will Vaccines turn your Alicorns into babies? Find out tonight on Fox News.
I'm not american, but that sounds about right for Fox News from what I know about them :V
To be fair, Velvet's theories on lore-based Alicorn-awakening are not peer-reviewed, tested or generally accepted by the eldritch lore science community.
It's not our fault that there's not a decently sized test group for us to experiment on, but the math ritual circles check out, even an initiate can see that!
 
(But still, you're right about worrying about the logistics of arresting a large, somewhat decentralized, Moth-based institution with at least a three-digits member count

Ah, the benefits of a Moth cult, no one knows where everyone else is putting all their shit so it's really hard to get snitched on.

"Miss, we know you're part of an illegal terrorist cult. We found several letters adressed to one, "Herbal Request", asking for additional medical supplies to be delivered at your address!"

"We had medical supplies! But then why did the Master tell me to "bear the yoke of my broken ribs until it slips past my mind and gets drowned in the rhythm of every day life"?"

"What."

"I'm unionizing on their flank!"
 
Little Velvet, you continuosly surprise me. You managed to form a personal cadre the equal of my best advisors, while still maintaining an illusion of loyalty...

Uh... actually I just taught them all last month. Turns out I'm a better teacher than you when I'm really trying :V
I mean, the Master would probably be better when they're really trying too. It's just that they don't, usually.
...also hey, did you imply that Velvet can't have more children? Because THAT sounds like something that can be solved by a ritual!
Pretty sure it was mentioned before that her leg makes pregnancies dangerous, and she damn near died with Silky. We fix that, and it would probably be safer.

Although, speaking of Silky, I do wonder what her Lore affinities would be, seeing as we're likely to have the option to teach her, even if we might choose not to. Her cheerfulness and energy tends to make me think heart, and the way she managed to make peace with her various friends and in fact make those friends at all makes me think Grail. Then again, the struggles and conflict there might make it Edge, like how Selene's Edge would have made her more outgoing and adventurous.

Stormchaser is probably SH and… I don't honestly know. Maybe Heart or Lantern?
 
[X] Plan Luna and Lores

The timeline will be accelerated. But I consider that acceptable for the sake of our family. Which includes Selene.
 
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