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YouTube finally bans extremist content on their platform

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YouTube just banned supremacist content, and thousands of channels are about to be removed

"The openness of YouTube's platform has helped creativity and access to information thrive," the company said in a blog post. "It's our responsibility to protect that, and prevent our platform from being used to incite hatred, harassment, discrimination and violence."

The changes announced on Wednesday attempt to improve its content moderation in three ways. First, the ban on supremacists will remove Nazis and other extremists who advocate segregation or exclusion based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, or veteran status. In addition to those categories, YouTube is adding caste, which has significant implications in India, and "well-documented violent events," such as the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting and 9/11. Users are no longer allowed to post videos saying those events did not happen, YouTube said.
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don't know if this goes in here or News&Politics, but since it's related to a social media site made for sharing videos (eg, tech related) I figured here would be a safe bet. Also if there's already a thread for this, sorry, I searched a little and I couldn't find it.

Ahem, anyway, I personally think that while this is a really good thing that needs to happen and finally is, I'm worried about that algorithm accidentally flagging totally legit people and LGBTQ+ content, as they have messed up real bad with that in the past. Is there going to be any human oversight on this? I've heard their appeals process already takes literally forever, so if they're serious about getting rid of all the Nazis they're going to need to step up in order to make sure they're getting the right people. Not to mention, as the first article already states, they're not getting rid of an alt-right commentator that has repeatedly harassed a LGBTQ+ Vox employee in the past (which several other news sites have commented on, too).

What do you think?
 
Either they start hiring humans to help with moderation rather than leaving it to the algorithm, and stop the video game to nazi pipeline generated by said algorithm's dedication to increasing views (because they can crack down on extremism all they want, their own algorithm encourages it because extremism increases view count), or its all shuffling the deckchairs on the titanic.
 
There is no video game to Nazi pipeline those who join such causes were wanting to anyways.
 
Tellos said:
keep believing spook stories nazis dont come out of thin air. You also dont cite nay studies or anything jsut assume nazis come from no place.
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Seems more like what you were doing. The internet fascist radicalization funnel is a well documented phenomenon, and unfortunately, large parts of the "Gamer" subculture is basically a trapdoor into it.

People don't just start "wanting to join anyway" out of nowhere.
 
Tellos said:
keep believing spook stories nazis dont come out of thin air. You also dont cite nay studies or anything jsut assume nazis come from no place.
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Video game to Nazis Pipeline refers to the YouTube reccomendation algorithm correlating interest in video games with interest in fascism thanks to Gamergaters.
 
Tellos said:
sorry been a gamer for decades still not a facist still not a nazi nor are most gamers this is the same moral panic nonsense that arrives every few years.
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Your personal experience is not particularly relevant.

The intentional fostering of fascist attitudes in online communities is very well attested to. There was a substantial racist and misogynistic movement of entitled gamer dipshits that harassed people for years. The overlap between that movement and the alt-right is not a coincidence.

Nobody is saying video games make you fascist. They are saying gaming communities have been fertile ground for fascist recruitment and the policies of communities like Youtube have been an essential part of that.
 
mesonoxian said:
Your personal experience is not particularly relevant.

The intentional fostering of fascist attitudes in online communities is very well attested to. There was a substantial racist and misogynistic movement of entitled gamer dipshits that harassed people for years. The overlap between that movement and the alt-right is not a coincidence.

Nobody is saying video games make you fascist. They are saying gaming communities have been fertile ground for fascist recruitment and the policies of communities like Youtube have been an essential part of that.
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gamer gate was hijacked by a handful of trolls with fake accounts this is a moral panic my experience is relevant your claim that it is not and blanketing of an entire group is hideous. we are not alt right nor do we find the right to be an ally. It is prone to moral panics. Fascists have existed since pre ww2 and onward sadly not all were stomped out and some people buy into these hideous ideologies. Blocking the history channels archival shit isint fighting hate it's ensuring we lack the tools to remind people what evils Fascism brings.
 
Tellos said:
gamer gate was hijacked by a handful of trolls with fake accounts this is a moral panic my experience is relevant your claim that it is not and blanketing of an entire group is hideous. we are not alt right nor do we find the right to be an ally. It is prone to moral panics. Fascists have existed since pre ww2 and onward sadly not all were stomped out and some people buy into these hideous ideologies. Blocking the history channels archival shit isint fighting hate it's ensuring we lack the tools to remind people what evils Fascism brings.
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Saying that Fascists are hanging around gamer communities and plucking up vulnerable members is not saying that all gamers are Fascist. As for Gamergate, from what I recall the entire thing was mysogenistic concern trolls. And finally, if personal all that's needed to disprove things, then fishing would be an exercise in futility, given that I've never caught any fish.
 
Darth Herobrine said:
Saying that Fascists are hanging around gamer communities and plucking up vulnerable members is not saying that all gamers are Fascist. As for Gamergate, from what I recall the entire thing was mysogenistic concern trolls. And finally, if personal all that's needed to disprove things, then fishing would be an exercise in futility, given that I've never caught any fish.
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I did not say it disproved only that it is relevant and I followed the gamer gate issue it was not misogynistic in nature trolls got involved as always. Sadly those involved with good intentions did not move fast enough to halt the try to distance themselves. By the time they did everyone just assumed the trolls were the representatives. Going back people found most of the harassers were troll accounts. Many made as sock puppets made to do the horrid crap they did. Also a pipeline as described above assumes it is a stream of gamers becoming nazi's. Am I saying there are not alt right guys trying to recruit? No but the language insinuates that they are wildly successful with large swaths of gamers.
 
I dunno, just about every big figure in that dipshit movement I can remember is some far-right dipshit these days.

Really if they wanted to make video games stop sucking, there should be more rallying behind unionization efforts and stigmatizing crunch time rather than whining about the people who factor in the least in game development, journalists.
 
SunnySprings said:
I dunno, just about every big figure in that dipshit movement I can remember is some far-right dipshit these days.

Really if they wanted to make video games stop sucking, there should be more rallying behind unionization efforts and stigmatizing crunch time rather than whining about the people who factor in the least in game development, journalists.
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I very rarely listen to the Journalists honestly. They have in some cases out right admitted their not video game fans and want only to push politics. So fine I will vote with my mouse clicks. The best way to beat them is to ignore them not shout at them.
 
Tellos said:
gamer gate was hijacked by a handful of trolls with fake accounts this is a moral panic my experience is relevant your claim that it is not and blanketing of an entire group is hideous. we are not alt right nor do we find the right to be an ally. It is prone to moral panics. Fascists have existed since pre ww2 and onward sadly not all were stomped out and some people buy into these hideous ideologies. Blocking the history channels archival shit isint fighting hate it's ensuring we lack the tools to remind people what evils Fascism brings.
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What "entire group"? Nobody said all gamers were fascists. If you mean gators, they are in fact all fascists or at least misogynists.

Gamergate wasn't "hijacked". It was a smear campaign from day one, and even taking the original complaints as true, only entitled misogynists would give a damn about them.

Nobody has suggested banning archival videos of Nazis, so that isn't a problem. That have suggested banning active Nazis and their associates.
 
mesonoxian said:
What "entire group"? Nobody said all gamers were fascists. If you mean gators, they are in fact all fascists or at least misogynists.

Gamergate wasn't "hijacked". It was a smear campaign from day one, and even taking the original complaints as true, only entitled misogynists would give a damn about them.

Nobody has suggested banning archival videos of Nazis, so that isn't a problem. That have suggested banning active Nazis and their associates.
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some archives were banned. and um last I checked Total biscuit was no fascist.and the complaints were that obscene levels of bias existed in those we were supposed to trust to give us fair analysis. But in the end guess wont matter. Those very groups are going bankrupt and new media is coming.
 
Tellos said:
some archives were banned. and um last I checked Total biscuit was no fascist.and the complaints were that obscene levels of bias existed in those we were supposed to trust to give us fair analysis. But in the end guess wont matter. Those very groups are going bankrupt and new media is coming.
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Nobody thinks banning archives will help.

And "Totalbiscuit" chose to associate himself with a misogynistic harassment campaign, so I'm pretty comfortable calling him a misogynist. Also I'm pretty sure he's been dead for a few years
 
mesonoxian said:
Nobody thinks banning archives will help.

And "Totalbiscuit" chose to associate himself with a misogynistic harassment campaign, so I'm pretty comfortable calling him a misogynist. Also I'm pretty sure he's been dead for a few years
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youtubes banning proccess is fairly blanket its not run by people google doesint not beleive in people it believes in algos.
 
Why are people talking about history channel archives? It seems like a non-sequiter to me
 
Jane Dough said:
Why are people talking about history channel archives? It seems like a non-sequiter to me
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because in some cases archives of old nazi movies used for educational purposes have been caught up in this. And the fear is by removing these they cannot be used to show the style of propaganda used by fascism to sound nice and hide it's real evil.
 
Tellos said:
because in some cases archives of old nazi movies used for educational purposes have been caught up in this. And the fear is by removing these they cannot be used to show the style of propaganda used by fascism to sound nice and hide it's real evil.
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Nobody is saying that's a good thing though?
 
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