Mm. I suppose I was trying to work backwards from "wizards normally only live like 150 years or so, tops, so if someone's aging at double speed because they use a Time Turner a lot, and they've been working at a certain job for 80 years, it doesn't add up properly" or something like that.

But the old ones are all professors.

Which means they live 150 years tops, after they repeat every school day however many times they need to run All Of The Classes.

so basically wizarding lifespan is actually 1500 years, professors just crap out at 150 because they take each day ten at a time :p
 
so basically wizarding lifespan is actually 1500 years, professors just crap out at 150 because they take each day ten at a time :p
AU where Dumbledore only has reservations about the Philosopher's Stone because he's afraid of a dystopian future where every teacher is called upon to concurrently give thousands of students from around the globe one-on-one instruction, forever
 
The real problem with the idea "what if Hogwarts is bigger than that" isn't the students, it's the faculty. For example, there's one woman teaching Transfiguration. To the entire school. And that's not an elective course, either.
There should be more teachers too. And probably less of them should be named characters, do we really need to know who teaches herbology?

Though that would throw a wrench in the DADA plot point, I suppose.

I guess I'm biased because I went to a large high school, a school with only a few hundred students total (across seven years) and only one teacher per subject reads as fake to me even though I'm sure it's true somewhere.
 
There should be more teachers too. And probably less of them should be named characters, do we really need to know who teaches herbology?

Though that would throw a wrench in the DADA plot point, I suppose.

I guess I'm biased because I went to a large high school, a school with only a few hundred students total (across seven years) and only one teacher per subject reads as fake to me even though I'm sure it's true somewhere.
Hogwarts classes appear to be maybe 2 hours long... as little as once week. And each class is teaching half the grade level. so 2 classes per grade level x 7 level = 14 classes. That comes out to the teacher teaching as little as 3 times per day if we don't count electives.

I mean probably important classes like Charms are more than 1/week, but it's not totally out there. This isn't a US school where you have math class every school day.
 
There should be more teachers too. And probably less of them should be named characters, do we really need to know who teaches herbology?
If you want to have interesting scenes in Herbology class, you kind of do. And to be fair, there's potential for interesting scenes in Herbology class.

Though that would throw a wrench in the DADA plot point, I suppose.

I guess I'm biased because I went to a large high school, a school with only a few hundred students total (across seven years) and only one teacher per subject reads as fake to me even though I'm sure it's true somewhere.
It's vaguely tenable for a really small community but it's also very very bad practice as an educational institution.

Like, Severus Snape is a horrible teacher on numerous levels; his only real contribution to his classes is realistically "make sure the students mostly don't blow themselves up worse than Madame Pomfrey can fix," which is admittedly an important part of his job but very far from the only part of his job. About the only good piece of educational practice I can find in him is his tendency to move around the classroom, which would matter more if he knew how to teach his way out of a paper bag while moving around the classroom.

Obviously the reasons Snape has that job are far more complicated than can be easily summarized by looking at the merits of "Severus Snape teaching Potions class" in and of themselves. There's a lot of political shit involved and so on, I know.

But still, Snape is a horrible teacher, and the damage he does is greatly worsened by the fact that he's everyone's teacher. In a core subject that is mandatory for at least five years if not seven. So no matter how abusive he is, there is no way to ever avoid him, to transfer out of his classes, or for the school to just sideline him as an "instructional coach" or something and get him the fuck out of the classroom.

(I would think that as an ancient school, Hogwarts would have enough of an endowment to provide a sinecure salary for a few 'professors' who actually teach zero or very few classes. This would have been far better for everyone involved as a solution for "what does Dumbledore do with Snape" than having Snape actually teach literally every kid at Hogwarts)

Hogwarts classes appear to be maybe 2 hours long... as little as once week. And each class is teaching half the grade level. so 2 classes per grade level x 7 level = 14 classes. That comes out to the teacher teaching as little as 3 times per day if we don't count electives.

I mean probably important classes like Charms are more than 1/week, but it's not totally out there. This isn't a US school where you have math class every school day.
Yeah, but if you're covering 28 hours of actual time spent in front of students per week, there's a corresponding overburden of grading and prep time. The Charms teacher spends a lot of time setting up lab activities and scoring papers, even if Professor Flitwick is only actually spending 28 hours a week in front of students- and it can get significantly worse if he's spending more than that.

...

Though the complexity of the extra work is reduced by a few factors.

Such as Hogwarts being ableist-as-fuck and not even pretending to have special accommodations or differentiated instruction.

Or such as Hogwarts bypassing a lot of disciplinary paperwork requirements in favor of an arbitrary points system, and more or less eliminating any idea that teachers directly contact parents regarding the students' academic progress.

And the curriculum being endlessly recyclable... Well, scratch that. It does actually change now that I think about it, the Ministry of Magic issues new curriculum on a regular basis, which is bizarre if Hogwarts is the only school in the country because then there really shouldn't be a government school board, only the Hogwarts board of directors.
 
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In canon, the ability of the Ministry of Magic to effectively govern and command the magical community is pretty much gone after the end of the HP series.

The Ministry, as a whole, will have been composed of three groups come liberation day-those who cooperated voluntarily, those who were forced to cooperate through magic or force and those who spied upon the Ministry's activities in order to facilitate the struggle against Voldemort.

The first two groups should, bare minimum, lose their jobs and face prosecution for crimes committed under the Death Eater regime, but they won't be because that would effectively mean dissolving the whole institution and rebuilding it wholesale, which is something that they seemingly didn't do.

The third category of people either died or have an extremely dubious claim to being an anti-Voldemort spy, which means that they too aren't exactly a beacon of integrity capable of sustaining the Ministry's weight on their shoulders.

So you now have liberated a building full of people who probably didn't really want to be liberated in the first place and a minority that did, but aren't all that more enthused about facing the consequences of their actions any more than their former oppressors are.

The Ministry does some house cleaning, clears out the big names behind the Death Eaters, arrests anyone with a tattoo and... Pretends the rest didn't do anything bad.

In other words, the whole thing's a sham and the magical world can see it. The same people that followed Voldemort's commands are still occupying the same positions they held during his reign. The same Aurors that chased muggleborn now chase 'suspected Dark Wizards' again-more often than not the very people they were tasked with dragging before the muggleborn commission to boot. The same bureaucrats that condemned hundreds to Azkaban still do the same thing, except with maybe less overtly prejudicial language than before.

The only difference is that the Dementors no longer occupy Azkaban and Shacklebolt is Minister. Great going gang. Totally worth the whole war thing.

So every magical knows it's the same guys there. That the culprits have once again escaped justice for a second time in the space of 20 years.

In short, even in defeat, everyone can see the Death Eaters won again.

They see that, where political action, money, community pressure or other means of influence have failed, terrorism worked. They saw that, as long as you get your guys into key positions in the Ministry post-takeover, you're impossible to get rid of.

And in terms of opposition, well... It's not like the Ministry hasn't fallen before right? Taking Potter out in a surprise attack may be hard, but it could turn out to be unnecessary in the long run if you play your cards right.

So the likelihood of there not being a bunch of insurgencies popping out of the woodwork in the early 21st century is really damn low. Add on top of that a depopulation crisis brought on by lower than expected numbers of people returning or reappearing after the War and you start getting some scary mathematics for the future of the magical world.

After all, nobody wants to live in a country that's perpetually teetering on the brink between being a Trainwreck that will take decades to recover from a civil war and descending into a brand new civil war brought on by those who want to bring about change in a political system built specifically around denying basic rights to anyone who can't conjure fairy dust from a piece of wood on command.

There's also the issue of force projection. Put bluntly, what few forces the Ministry can call upon to keep the peace will be compromised by the time the War ends and will remain that way for decades to come. The Ministry can't rely on them to lift a finger, really, which makes any attempts at law enforcement something akin to a gamble.

New recruits can shore up the numbers, but I would hesitate in calling them anything other than a stopgap force. Rushed training, insufficient support and a lack of clear goals due to there simply being too many fires to put out means that they'll simply be just as overwhelmed by it all as the rest of the magical world, except for having a much higher casualty rate.

In short, the post-war Ministry is likely in a failure state that it will take decades to climb out of, saddled with Death Eater sympathisers they cannot prosecute because they're everywhere, an untrustworthy law enforcement body and the risk of kicking off Blood War 3 if they so much as try and collect too much in tax, let alone anything else.

I always thought it was funny that the two most powerful people in the Ministry reached their position in their thirties, but thinking on it... Maybe they're the only ones who were dumb enough to get suckered into being responsible for fixing this mess.

But yeah, I believe that the Ministry of Magic in the 21st century no longer really exists in the way it used to. They got absolutely wrecked during the War and, well, that's not something you can easily come back from.

And I totally agree with Open_Sketch. 'Oops, I accidentally became a totalitarian dictatorship but now ALL IS WELL thanks to that army of professional mercenaries, right wing extremists, terrorists and bounty hunting serial killers' is very much in character for a resurgent Ministry of Magic looking to get back to normal... And Harry Potter in general really. The only surprising thing is that they stopped purging before it devolved into yet another genocide.

Good fic. Gave me lots of food for thought.
 
The only difference is that the Dementors no longer occupy Azkaban and Shacklebolt is Minister. Great going gang. Totally worth the whole war thing.
To be fair, the Dementors are a pretty big deal, and the more people you have in Azkaban the bigger a deal they are.

Is it worth a whole civil war? Dunno. But at a bare minimum it turns Azkaban into a place you could conceivably leave in functional condition. As opposed to a horrifying oubliette that murders and eats anyone you send there while also destroying their own ability to even argue coherently in their own defense if you sent them there incorrectly.

New recruits can shore up the numbers, but I would hesitate in calling them anything other than a stopgap force. Rushed training, insufficient support and a lack of clear goals due to there simply being too many fires to put out means that they'll simply be just as overwhelmed by it all as the rest of the magical world, except for having a much higher casualty rate.
I'm not sure how well trained the prewar Ministry forces were, really.

It's entirely possible that the younger generation's greater enthusiasm for combat magic (brought on by having been born during one war and grown up during another, during which time the authorities utterly failed to protect them) could provide a higher class of recruit than the Ministry could usually depend on for auror duty back in the '60s and '70s.

Of course, new recruits also upset the political balance, because I suspect that the new recruits are going to be mostly anti-Death Eater in their sympathies, if only because Voldemort and the establishment willing to be soft on Death Eaters is clearly responsible for nearly everything bad that's happened in their entire lives.
 
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