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Young Justice Strikes Back! (Season 3: Outsiders)

Hykal94 said:
It's one of those things that's certain a pro and a con. Like legit, I've forgotten a good chunk of the Flash family and what happened to some of them. I don't know the older man that hangs out with Superboy and Megan (he's a teacher that's never been in the series before?) And the clone thing certainly isn't helping either.
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Yeah who the heck is that dude? He keeps showing up in random scenes and I feel like I'm supposed to recognize him.
 
The biggest strength and weakness of Young Justice is that it is written for many DC fans who are already familar with the comics. There is so much in this series that requires some background knowledge to fill in the blanks. On one hand, as a huge DC fan, I love it. But I also recognize its weakness in regards to telling a good story.
 
Gah, finally caught up. Been busy.

So, the bad first so I can end on a high note.

The time skip has, for the second season in a row, really hurt things. So much stuff happened offscreen that should be happening onscreen, plus the big time gaps mean I have to sort of try and work out who everyone is after the gap and I sometimes miss things. I spent the whole of the private security episode trying to work out who the fuck Guardian's civilan ID was because the big time jump had thrown me off and he'd very barely appeared the prior season. Plasmus's death was also really, really badly executed tonally. He just sort of dies and it just feels all very disposable. Ocean Master also kinda got robbed, what with everything important to his plot happening entirely offscreen. Likewise, the manner in which Ma'alefa'ak was introduced was so sloppy I feel greasy just by talking about it.

Oh and the Team is kind of... barely relevant.

Now, the good.

The titular Outsiders themselves are very well-put together and developed with a varied array of compelling plots. Halo in particular is a bundle of fun. There's some real nice hook-scenes to previous seasons and generally some good all-round character work. Episode 12 is definitely the best IMO, and arguably Greg Cipes's best performance as Beast Boy, which is a pretty tall order. Also props on the freaky metaweirdness. Cyborg in a scene populated primarily with characters voiced by Khary Payton, up to and including uttering of Booyahs, was a massive pleasure in that episode (can't remember the number). The sound design on the Santa Prisca infiltration segments of the relevant episode was also pretty good. Some other fun bits and pieces and generally a fun overall arc. Vandal Savage episode was also fairly fun, even if I wasn't massively enthused with what was basically a "everyone love my favourite character please" episode.

In all, I'd say it's good, but rough around the edges and in places it really doesn't need to be to the point of mild irritation and ocasional difficulty getting back into it.

Though I kinda feel like maybe it'd be cool to do a Terra story that wasn't mining the Judas Contract material for a change. But maybe that's just me.
 
The Englanderish said:
Plasmus's death was also really, really badly executed tonally.
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WAIT THAT WAS PLASMUS WHAT

The Englanderish said:
work out who the fuck Guardian's civilan ID
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Not gonna lie, I have no fucking idea like who half of the security team was because THE CLONE THING didn't help.

I think this has to be the first time, I, a long time fan of comic cartoons, is as confused about shit as the average reader is. I had fun, but man I could not keep up despite only finishing the show like June last year.

And there are watchers who don't remember jack all and watched the show like ten years ago.
 
Hykal94 said:
WAIT THAT WAS PLASMUS WHAT
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Yeah the brother was plasmus - Vertigo said his name like once.

Hykal94 said:
Not gonna lie, I have no fucking idea like who half of the security team was because THE CLONE THING didn't help.

I think this has to be the first time, I, a long time fan of comic cartoons, is as confused about shit as the average reader is. I had fun, but man I could not keep up despite only finishing the show like June last year.

And there are watchers who don't remember jack all and watched the show like ten years ago.
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I think the root cause is the time skips. Season 1 was much more easy to follow and get into for me, despite having a mega-sized cast and loads of interwoven plotlines, because of its tight writing and ability to introduce stuff mostly pretty clearly. But the big time gaps just sort of cut things off and shoot you further along ahead, leaving you to figure out what you've missed.

It's sorta like... It's like waching seasons 1, 5 and 8 of a series only - and the other seasons don't exist, only to be alluded to by the ones that do.
 
And now we have to wait 6 months because I have no idea what's the logic behind that. Can someone explain that to me?
 
Young Justice gives us a glimpse of what the DC Comics should be like imo.

As oppposed to constantly resetting to the status quo, let people age and progresss.
 
Jcogginsa said:
Young Justice is a bit too dark to be the standard for DC
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Wut mate?

Not to be rude...but standard DC has a comic issue with Grayson being forced into nonconsensual sex.

Then there is the Killing Joke...Death in the Family...and those are just Batman stories.

Teen Titans had some messed up stories as well.

So no. Young Justice is actually lighter than DC Comics standard
 
Jcogginsa said:
Young Justice is a bit too dark to be the standard for DC
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Actually I'm really hoping the Terra story ends up being less dark than the comics.

I really don't want "kid is implied to be repeatedly raped by adult conditioning her into a mole, and then the team she infiltrates ends up hating and disrespecting her more than the fucking rapist."

I can do without ever seeing that.

Edit: DC comics have a history of being kind of really fucked here and there.

Edit2: Thinking of Terra adaptations, I really hated what they did in the old Teen Titans cartoon.

They have Terra confess everything to Beast Boy and beg forgiveness before anything actually goes down, and then he tells her to fuck off into the arms of the grown ass man abusing her(on re-watch as an adult it came off sexual too given his boast at Beast Boy) instead of helping the abused scared kid, and then have the gall to have him go all "woe is me, we could have figured it out, I totally love her, why did it have to be this way?" and have him stalk this girl who looks like her after she dies.

Just, YJ please do better. The bar is so low. Don't rape a child and then have all the heroes victim blame her.
 
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trob030490 said:
Actually I'm really hoping the Terra story ends up being less dark than the comics.

I really don't want "kid is implied to be repeatedly raped by adult conditioning her into a mole, and then the team she infiltrates ends up hating and disrespecting her more than the fucking rapist."

I can do without ever seeing that.

Edit: DC comics have a history of being kind of really fucked here and there.

Edit2: Thinking of Terra adaptations, I really hated what they did in the old Teen Titans cartoon.

They have Terra confess everything to Beast Boy and beg forgiveness before anything actually goes down, and then he tells her to fuck off into the arms of the grown ass man abusing her(on re-watch as an adult it came off sexual too given his boast at Beast Boy) instead of helping the abused scared kid, and then have the gall to have him go all "woe is me, we could have figured it out, I totally love her, why did it have to be this way?" and have him stalk this girl who looks like her after she dies.

Just, YJ please do better. The bar is so low. Don't rape a child and then have all the heroes victim blame her.
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With beast boy he was lashing out in anger (as far as he knew his team was being slaughtered back in their home). It's pretty clear it was said in a moment of anger that he regretted. He also moves on at the end of the episode
 
trob030490 said:
They have Terra confess everything to Beast Boy and beg forgiveness before anything actually goes down
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This is untrue - Terra confesses while the tower raid is going on, using information she supplied, wanting to run away with him and presumably leave the others to die. So... it's not really hard to see why BB freaked the fuck out? Like, she basically tells him his friends are probably dying this very second because she gave Slade access but he should totally forgive and run away with her because he promised to be her friend.

And like, I'm very sympathetic to Terra, but I'm not that sympathetic to her that I think BB having an emotional outburst and leaving her is unreasonable. Not least because he afterwards still tried to reach out to her in spite of that.
 
Without spoilers is it worth watching? I gave up half way through season 2 because I was getting frustrated by what felt like too much and not enough happening at once. I am not meaning to bash but it did kinda feel like a long series of interpersonal drama, meetings where characters talk about how serious and dangerous things are followed by a meeting of the Light where they say everything is going according to Keikaku.
 
Alex said:
Without spoilers is it worth watching? I gave up half way through season 2 because I was getting frustrated by what felt like too much and not enough happening at once. I am not meaning to bash but it did kinda feel like a long series of interpersonal drama, meetings where characters talk about how serious and dangerous things are followed by a meeting of the Light where they say everything is going according to Keikaku.
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It's somewhat faster paced with further developments. The main issue is that the six-year time jump throws a lot of things out of orbit for those coming off from Season 2. As a safe-contained season, however, it is definitely much better.
 
Honestly, the timeskip for Season 3 isn't that jarring because it wasn't as unexpected as season 2's timeskip was. Also, the major events that happened in between seasons 2 and 3 aren't as question mark inducing as the ones that occurred between 1 and 2. Characters we met aren't suddenly dead now, nor are characters that we didn't meet, and certain people aren't suddenly on the villains' side. That was my experience going into season 2 when it was airing. :lol
 
Nidhoggr said:
Honestly, the timeskip for Season 3 isn't that jarring because it wasn't as unexpected as season 2's timeskip was. Also, the major events that happened in between seasons 2 and 3 aren't as question mark inducing as the ones that occurred between 1 and 2. Characters we met aren't suddenly dead now, nor are characters that we didn't meet, and certain people aren't suddenly on the villains' side. That was my experience going into season 2 when it was airing. :lol
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Technically there were two time-skips between Season 1 and 2;
From 1 to Legacy, and then Legacy to 2.
 
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