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Problem is that a naval blockade can pretty much make those factories useless along with bunch of other problems.
World at War (alt. history quest)
- Thread starter captain_mercury
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- Original Alt. History
Problem is that a naval blockade can pretty much make those factories useless along with bunch of other problems.
- Location
- Russia
Bad idea.
1. Means of production of the USSR in OTL were transferred in borders of the country, and also moved on the earth. Your option is logistically and economically completely dead, it would be easier for the USSR to develop the same Mongolia.
2. Americans will not like that the country under their Monroe doctrine spread hostile ideology of the Reds, which can lead to a variety of consequences, from the beginning of espionage wars and economic sanctions, to open invasion and the overthrow of the government.
3. The Soviet Union can also refuse this offer for the reason not only economic, but also preservation of own technologies in secret from Americans.
Geographical priority is of the greatest importance to us.
That is, it is necessary to establish ties with America, which can give us a consumer of goods produced, which will lead to the arrival of money in our economy. And if we are a partner of the United States, in the event of an attack on us, American forces will come to our aid faster... Well, in the case of our expansion into a country with the ideology of the AXIS or the Reds, or even just neutral, we can ask the United States to make some relaxation in the Monroe Doctrine regarding us.
- Location
- California
Irl Argentina is a meat exporter so I would not be surprised if initially most of our industrial development will be around that
turn 2 results
- Location
- Buenos aires
Diplomacy: (Pick two)
[x] Hello neighbors we come in "peace": Establish talks with the countries the border Argentina
Chances of success: 80%
Rewards: new actions available
Rolled: 97 (crit roll: 50)
It seems Arturo is a fast learner, the man managed to read the political situation of the country and act with such an efficiency that it seems that Argentina's relationship with her neighbors improved back to the levels of 1930. Already new diplomatic channels are open
Rewards: new actions available (Opinion of Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile, bolivia raised from -10 to 20)
[x] Ministry of foreign relationships: Ever since the coups the ministry of foreign relationships has fallen in disuse, now that Justo is trying to contact other nation it should be renovated and improved.
Cost: 10000 $
Chances of success: 85%
Rewards: Ministry of foreign relationships improved and repaired +10 to diplomacy rolls
Rolled: 28
The repairs of the ministry was plagued with trouble, from bad planning by the architect to the materials being stolen from the construction site, it seemed as if the project was never going to be completed, thankfully the architect managed to catch his mistake and replaced the troublemaker in his crew barely managing to finish the project in time.
Cost: 10000 $
Rewards: Ministry of foreign relationships improved and repaired +10 to diplomacy rolls
Military (Pick three)
[x] Air, land, and Sea: The argentine armed forces are a regional power, but there isn't much info on the training and skill of all the services, order reports from the heads of each service on troop numbers, supply, etc.
Chances of success: 80%
Rewards: Status of the Argentine army, navy and the army air forces with the small naval planes is now known, new action available.
Rolled: 95
Peron spent almost all of his time this past three months reading report after report and interviewing officers from all parts of the military, after he was done he submitted his report to Justo stating that the argentine army numbered among the 105.000 (officers, NCO and enlisted men) this number is divided between 5 divisions each numbering (20.000) with the last 5.000 men forming two regiments of mountain infantry , there's no clear doctrine for the army with only ideas being passed around, the supply status is relatable good with almost 90% of the army equipped (unfortunately that equipment seems outdated)
On the navy front things are somewhat fine, with the country having 2 Rivadavia clash battleships. 2 Veinticinco de mayo cruisers, two garibaldi armored cruisers various destroyers' classes numbering: 9 in total with 3 Santa Fe class submarines (there's also some other miscellanies ship), on paper this showed that the argentine fleet was the strongest in South America, on reality almost all the ships were going to be obsolete in about 3 years. A modernization or acquisition of new ships is something the country needs. The number of sailors stands at 12.000 with a 450 strong coastal artillery corps.
In regards to planes, the current number is 97 for the army and 36 for the navy, not a lot of it compared to some of the European countries but for now, this was enough to fight Argentina's neighbors
Rewards: Status of the Argentine army, navy and the army air forces with the small naval planes is now known, new action available
[x] New branch: Ever since planes became a weapon of war, there's been claims for a new branch to be established independent of both the navy and the army.
Chances of success: 80%
Rewards: Air force established (+5 to air force rolls in combat)
Rolled: 118 (crit roll: 90)
It seems that Peron really outdid himself, not only did he managed to convince both navy men and army men to sit down and discuss the creation of a new service but he also went ahead and contacted both national and foreign companies to create new planes for the newly created Argentine Air Force.
Rewards: Air force established (+5 to air force rolls in combat), big names in the aeronautic business interested in contracts with Argentina.
Intrigue (Pick two)
[x] Political enemies: With the coup, many of the political parties were left dissatisfied, perhaps Brynden could send spies to keep tabs on them?
Chances of success: 75%
Rewards: Spies now in political parties.
Rolled: 75
Getting spies in the UCR and other likeminded groups wasn't easy but thanks to Brynden, Justo now has men ready to intercept messages form them and warn him if they plan something
Rewards: Spies now in political parties.
[x] SIDE: This new group news an official HQ, staff and other things, establish the State Secretary of Intelligence (Secretaria de Inteligencia Del Estado) so that they can get situated.
Chances of success: 80%
Rewards: SIDE established +5 to intrigue rolls new actions available (Improves network chances)
Rolled: 72
The new HQ was finished without an incident, Justo was expecting more of a challenge in this but it seems that the men hired by Brynden were extremely professional so there was no trouble with the construction.
Rewards: SIDE established +5 to intrigue rolls new actions available (Improves network chances)
Research: (Pick two)
[x] UTN: These new teams need a place where they can study, start the construction of the national technology university (Universidad Teconologica Nacional).
Cost: 20000 $
Chances of success: 85%
Rewards: UTN funded +10 to research rolls
Rolled: 15
The UTN is now complete, of course, the government was selling this as an absolute win while in reality, this project caused more headaches for Justo that everything else these months. From workers going missing to the architect being murdered in his house, this whole thing looked like it was a money sinker, thankfully Mario managed to keep things under control and the project got full filed
Rewards: UTN funded +10 to research rolls
[x] Research technology: Now that there's a team dedicated to research & development the country can now afford to start advancing in different technological areas
[x] Civilian
- [x] Engineering
- [x] Electrical Mechanical engineering
Chances of success: 75%
Rewards: New technology researched
Rolled: 73
Thanks to Mario and his team of researchers the UTN managed to advance in the engineering field, with the new method of electrical mechanical engineering machines can now be used for communications and aid in thinking.
Rewards: Electrical Mechanical engineering (Unlocks new technology)
Stewardship: (Pick two)
[x] Can we build it? (Can be retaken): The countries industries are divided into two, on one side the military industry which generates the equipment our men use (planes, guns, etc.) on the other hand is the civilian industry (produces consumer goods for the population and helps with the construction of other projects). Right now there's 12 civilian and 3 military factories in the country this could be expanded (REMEMBER: Military factories= increases supply for troops and expenses by 1000 $ and civilian factories= income increases by 3000 $).
- [x] Santiago del Estero
Cost: 1000 $ each
Chances of success: 75%
Rewards: new factories in the state
Rolled: 114 (crit roll: 80)
It seems that Mr.Lopez is a man of many talents not only he managed to convince the construction crews to save half the money without compromising the integrity of the factory, he then proceeds to hire another team to build another factory for free (the construction of which will start in the next months).
Rewards: new factories in the state (+1 civilian factory in Santiago del Estero and a free factory to be decided next turn).
[x] The people: Justo is the president but he doesn't know the current mood of the argentine people, send people to talk with all the classes in the country (High, middle or low) and find out the opinion on the government.
Chances of success: 70%
Rewards: Rebellion meter unlocked (tells you how mad people are)
Rolled: 106 (crit roll: 88)
The recent polls that took place in March, show that the argentine people are in supporting of the government, of course, there are socialist and other political parties are denouncing the government but so far the general population is calm.
Rewards: Rebellion meter unlocked so far the population is calm (tells you how mad people are)
Personal (Pick one)
[x] Strong foundation: If Justo wishes to be more than a figurehead for society elites then he needs his power base, search for officers and other important people who are willing to stand with him.
Chances of success: 75%
Rewards: Justo faction established new actions unlocked.
Rolled: 61
For Justo going behind the back of his"supporters" wasn't easy, but he managed, so far the man established contact with dissatisfied army and naval officers(Lieutenants captains and mayors), who in the event of a coup would rally some of the armed forces to fight for Justo, unfortunately, there was no luck with the civilian side of things.
Rewards: Justo faction established new actions unlocked.
[x] Hello neighbors we come in "peace": Establish talks with the countries the border Argentina
Chances of success: 80%
Rewards: new actions available
Rolled: 97 (crit roll: 50)
It seems Arturo is a fast learner, the man managed to read the political situation of the country and act with such an efficiency that it seems that Argentina's relationship with her neighbors improved back to the levels of 1930. Already new diplomatic channels are open
Rewards: new actions available (Opinion of Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile, bolivia raised from -10 to 20)
[x] Ministry of foreign relationships: Ever since the coups the ministry of foreign relationships has fallen in disuse, now that Justo is trying to contact other nation it should be renovated and improved.
Cost: 10000 $
Chances of success: 85%
Rewards: Ministry of foreign relationships improved and repaired +10 to diplomacy rolls
Rolled: 28
The repairs of the ministry was plagued with trouble, from bad planning by the architect to the materials being stolen from the construction site, it seemed as if the project was never going to be completed, thankfully the architect managed to catch his mistake and replaced the troublemaker in his crew barely managing to finish the project in time.
Cost: 10000 $
Rewards: Ministry of foreign relationships improved and repaired +10 to diplomacy rolls
Military (Pick three)
[x] Air, land, and Sea: The argentine armed forces are a regional power, but there isn't much info on the training and skill of all the services, order reports from the heads of each service on troop numbers, supply, etc.
Chances of success: 80%
Rewards: Status of the Argentine army, navy and the army air forces with the small naval planes is now known, new action available.
Rolled: 95
Peron spent almost all of his time this past three months reading report after report and interviewing officers from all parts of the military, after he was done he submitted his report to Justo stating that the argentine army numbered among the 105.000 (officers, NCO and enlisted men) this number is divided between 5 divisions each numbering (20.000) with the last 5.000 men forming two regiments of mountain infantry , there's no clear doctrine for the army with only ideas being passed around, the supply status is relatable good with almost 90% of the army equipped (unfortunately that equipment seems outdated)
On the navy front things are somewhat fine, with the country having 2 Rivadavia clash battleships. 2 Veinticinco de mayo cruisers, two garibaldi armored cruisers various destroyers' classes numbering: 9 in total with 3 Santa Fe class submarines (there's also some other miscellanies ship), on paper this showed that the argentine fleet was the strongest in South America, on reality almost all the ships were going to be obsolete in about 3 years. A modernization or acquisition of new ships is something the country needs. The number of sailors stands at 12.000 with a 450 strong coastal artillery corps.
In regards to planes, the current number is 97 for the army and 36 for the navy, not a lot of it compared to some of the European countries but for now, this was enough to fight Argentina's neighbors
Rewards: Status of the Argentine army, navy and the army air forces with the small naval planes is now known, new action available
[x] New branch: Ever since planes became a weapon of war, there's been claims for a new branch to be established independent of both the navy and the army.
Chances of success: 80%
Rewards: Air force established (+5 to air force rolls in combat)
Rolled: 118 (crit roll: 90)
It seems that Peron really outdid himself, not only did he managed to convince both navy men and army men to sit down and discuss the creation of a new service but he also went ahead and contacted both national and foreign companies to create new planes for the newly created Argentine Air Force.
Rewards: Air force established (+5 to air force rolls in combat), big names in the aeronautic business interested in contracts with Argentina.
Intrigue (Pick two)
[x] Political enemies: With the coup, many of the political parties were left dissatisfied, perhaps Brynden could send spies to keep tabs on them?
Chances of success: 75%
Rewards: Spies now in political parties.
Rolled: 75
Getting spies in the UCR and other likeminded groups wasn't easy but thanks to Brynden, Justo now has men ready to intercept messages form them and warn him if they plan something
Rewards: Spies now in political parties.
[x] SIDE: This new group news an official HQ, staff and other things, establish the State Secretary of Intelligence (Secretaria de Inteligencia Del Estado) so that they can get situated.
Chances of success: 80%
Rewards: SIDE established +5 to intrigue rolls new actions available (Improves network chances)
Rolled: 72
The new HQ was finished without an incident, Justo was expecting more of a challenge in this but it seems that the men hired by Brynden were extremely professional so there was no trouble with the construction.
Rewards: SIDE established +5 to intrigue rolls new actions available (Improves network chances)
Research: (Pick two)
[x] UTN: These new teams need a place where they can study, start the construction of the national technology university (Universidad Teconologica Nacional).
Cost: 20000 $
Chances of success: 85%
Rewards: UTN funded +10 to research rolls
Rolled: 15
The UTN is now complete, of course, the government was selling this as an absolute win while in reality, this project caused more headaches for Justo that everything else these months. From workers going missing to the architect being murdered in his house, this whole thing looked like it was a money sinker, thankfully Mario managed to keep things under control and the project got full filed
Rewards: UTN funded +10 to research rolls
[x] Research technology: Now that there's a team dedicated to research & development the country can now afford to start advancing in different technological areas
[x] Civilian
- [x] Engineering
- [x] Electrical Mechanical engineering
Chances of success: 75%
Rewards: New technology researched
Rolled: 73
Thanks to Mario and his team of researchers the UTN managed to advance in the engineering field, with the new method of electrical mechanical engineering machines can now be used for communications and aid in thinking.
Rewards: Electrical Mechanical engineering (Unlocks new technology)
Stewardship: (Pick two)
[x] Can we build it? (Can be retaken): The countries industries are divided into two, on one side the military industry which generates the equipment our men use (planes, guns, etc.) on the other hand is the civilian industry (produces consumer goods for the population and helps with the construction of other projects). Right now there's 12 civilian and 3 military factories in the country this could be expanded (REMEMBER: Military factories= increases supply for troops and expenses by 1000 $ and civilian factories= income increases by 3000 $).
- [x] Santiago del Estero
Cost: 1000 $ each
Chances of success: 75%
Rewards: new factories in the state
Rolled: 114 (crit roll: 80)
It seems that Mr.Lopez is a man of many talents not only he managed to convince the construction crews to save half the money without compromising the integrity of the factory, he then proceeds to hire another team to build another factory for free (the construction of which will start in the next months).
Rewards: new factories in the state (+1 civilian factory in Santiago del Estero and a free factory to be decided next turn).
[x] The people: Justo is the president but he doesn't know the current mood of the argentine people, send people to talk with all the classes in the country (High, middle or low) and find out the opinion on the government.
Chances of success: 70%
Rewards: Rebellion meter unlocked (tells you how mad people are)
Rolled: 106 (crit roll: 88)
The recent polls that took place in March, show that the argentine people are in supporting of the government, of course, there are socialist and other political parties are denouncing the government but so far the general population is calm.
Rewards: Rebellion meter unlocked so far the population is calm (tells you how mad people are)
Personal (Pick one)
[x] Strong foundation: If Justo wishes to be more than a figurehead for society elites then he needs his power base, search for officers and other important people who are willing to stand with him.
Chances of success: 75%
Rewards: Justo faction established new actions unlocked.
Rolled: 61
For Justo going behind the back of his"supporters" wasn't easy, but he managed, so far the man established contact with dissatisfied army and naval officers(Lieutenants captains and mayors), who in the event of a coup would rally some of the armed forces to fight for Justo, unfortunately, there was no luck with the civilian side of things.
Rewards: Justo faction established new actions unlocked.
- Location
- Buenos aires
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Overall that was a surprising number of crits, off to a good start, hopefully we can start snowballing enough to become a major.
- Location
- Asia
That was great. I think we should choose another civilian factory for the income. Provided we can get one, I guess an aircraft factory wouldn't be too bad since we have an air force now.
- Location
- Buenos aires
an update on next turn, I managed to get the mod Argentina revised for Hoi4, it adds a focus tree to the country and a bunch of stuff from the time such as the guns used by the army, the tanks they developed and other stuff so new things will be added as options next update
- Location
- Asia
That would be great. I hope we can form a South American economic union and and eventual political union with the intention of gradually taking control of whole of South America
- Location
- Fort Worth, TX
I think we need to work on modernizing our forces equipment.
I think we should focus on building when we have the ability to a indigenous armor design bureau So we're not dependent on other countries to build Armored vehicles. Historically Argentina had a pretty good Tank design team. a prime example of that is the Nahuel" DL 43 tank. It was a design comparable to the Sherman tank so it was a fairly good design all considered
- Location
- California
I think ideally we just focus on industry over the coming turns so when the world catches fire we sell them our finished goods
@carvacho12 With the game's similarities to Hearts of Iron 4, will we have the option to build dockyards as well as military and civilian factories? Or will that be included in the production from military factories? You mentioned that most of the ships in our navy will be obsolete within the next few years and that is something I think we should address - will we design our own ships using the components we have researched like in the 'Man the Guns' expansion, or just stock ship designs?
Also, something to consider as far as aircraft go - the fighter the Argentines had in the mid-1930s was the Curtiss Hawk 75, also known as the P-36. In the late 1930s this was developed into the P-40 Warhawk, one of the most successful fighters of World War 2. Anyone want to see if we can steal a march on the Americans and use them to develop a P-40 equivalent of our own?
Also, something to consider as far as aircraft go - the fighter the Argentines had in the mid-1930s was the Curtiss Hawk 75, also known as the P-36. In the late 1930s this was developed into the P-40 Warhawk, one of the most successful fighters of World War 2. Anyone want to see if we can steal a march on the Americans and use them to develop a P-40 equivalent of our own?
- Location
- Buenos aires
hi thabks for comenting here are your questions answered in order
1- you can already build military factories, but the docyards, oil, infraestructure, etc will be added next turn
2- You can design the ships with things you research.
3- Its posible to get other countries airplanes, next turn you will have the option to select a company and get their planes but this will add to expences or you can go with an argentine factory to devolp your own kind of planes but you will have to put more money into it compared to the other path
Like I said at the beginning of the quest you can form the union, either by force or by diplomacy the choice is yours
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