Words on a Misty Shore (Arpeggio of Blue Steel)

This is when she asks scouts to help her a little bit.

What scouts? And who?

And weirds then out.

How so?

Also, are there bit in order that prevents Fleet of Fog from moving things for humans? I mean, they do not allow humans to traverse the seas, but how little transfer of goods prevents division?

Not as far as I know. There's no rule against acquiring human goods. There's also no rule against selling goods to humans. Finally, there's no rule against employing humans.

That would undermine efficacy of the blockade. So, no. They can't.

See above.

There's no actual rule about hindering humans. Just that they have to blockade the oceans and separate the human nations. So long as that's done, anything goes.

I seriously think that if I could talk to Kongo alone for 10-20 minutes then I could end all the fighting.
 
Given the raised sea levels, she's probably somewhere between Toride and Noda.

That's frightfully close to Tokyo for anyone's taste.

also, poor Choshi and Boso Peninsula.

I just looked at the Geology.com sea level map and you're probably correct.

At +7 meters sea level rise, the Tone River has stopped begin a river and turned into a delta that extends all the way to Noda.

You can also see that the area east of Tokyo is flooded all the way Kusakabe, a distance of about 20 miles/32 kilometers.

That's just the default setting. If we assume the situation in Arpeggio is far worse than that, say 13 meters, we get another 5 miles of flooding and the Tone River Delta bloating so much it connects to the new Tokyo Delta. Chiba Prefecture pretty much turns into the new smallest main island of the Japanese Archipelago.
 
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If you are talking about the part that sticks down next to the bay, that's the Boso Peninsula I was referring to.

It's WAY too small to be a "main island", though.

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Yeah. This just shows how bad things are.

If I could get the Fog to give reparations, number one on the list would be "lower the sea levels".
 
If you are talking about the part that sticks down next to the bay, that's the Boso Peninsula I was referring to.

It's WAY too small to be a "main island", though.

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Yeah. This just shows how bad things are.

If I could get the Fog to give reparations, number one on the list would be "lower the sea levels".

The sea levels aren't even their fault. You'd have a hard enough time convincing them to fix something that IS their fault.

The Fog can absolutely say "just following orders" and be completely justified in saying so. They weren't capable of saying no to their orders.

Also, I goofed a bit.

I mixed up 1st Fleet and Second Fleet. Hyuuga, Ise, and the Kongo-class were all 1st Fleet, while Nagato, Mutsu, and presumably Fuso and Yamashiro would have been 2nd Fleet.
 
No, no.

Original set-up:

1st Fleet flag: Kongo

2nd Fleet flag: Hyuuga

3rd Fleet flag: Nagato.

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Current set-up:

1st Fleet flag: Kongo

2nd Fleet flag: Nagato.

Apparently, there used to be three fleets. When Gunzou took out Hyuuga, it was reorganized into two fleets, with the survivors from 2nd fleet distributed amongst the other two.

Kirishima and Takao are the only known veterans of the old 2nd Fleet. Kongo notes that such veterans tend to be relatively creative. This might be due to having to compensate for having a flagship without a mental model (my idea).
 
Unless the Fog can effect climate change, this is going to be a pretty pointless reparation.

The sea levels aren't even their fault. You'd have a hard enough time convincing them to fix something that IS their fault.

The Fog can absolutely say "just following orders" and be completely justified in saying so. They weren't capable of saying no to their orders.

There are hints that the sea-level rise MIGHT be their fault. One timeline says that they started re-activating in 2012. Another says that sea levels started to rise faster than calculated due to human emissions in 2012.

And yes, it IS possible to affect climate change. We have ideas for how to do it NOW, using current technology to alter the planet's biome to a limited extent. The Fog would find it MUCH easier. They could also use the excess water, and pump it underground to re-green the Sahara and other deserts. Look at what Hyuuga did in a few months-tap a volcano and build a whole factory (and remember that Suribachi is extinct, so she had to drill DEEP).

By the time the series starts, the Fog know that humans hate them. If you can convince them to want to stop fighting (look at Haruna), then you can convince them that they need to do something to make humans stop hating them.
 
Furthermore, "just following orders" only holds up if there isn't a mental model. Possession of a mental model implies the need to wield it to its fullest extent. And we've already seen that ships with mental models can question orders and even outright disobey them.

Hyuuga also states the Fog were activated "incompletely" and possession of a mental model is a natural state.

It is entirely possible to make reparations without admitting guilt and avoiding blame for an incident. Corporations routinely make payments to people that sue them in return for statements that the company is not to blame and has done nothing wrong. Similar matters happen from time to time on the state level. So the Fog could demand a "hold blameless" clause and get protection from litigation in return for a settlement.
 
Furthermore, "just following orders" only holds up if there isn't a mental model. Possession of a mental model implies the need to wield it to its fullest extent. And we've already seen that ships with mental models can question orders and even outright disobey them.

Hyuuga also states the Fog were activated "incompletely" and possession of a mental model is a natural state.

It is entirely possible to make reparations without admitting guilt and avoiding blame for an incident. Corporations routinely make payments to people that sue them in return for statements that the company is not to blame and has done nothing wrong. Similar matters happen from time to time on the state level. So the Fog could demand a "hold blameless" clause and get protection from litigation in return for a settlement.

"Just following orders" holds up until the ship learns that questioning orders is even possible.

After gaining mental models, they still didn't understand what they were capable of. They are functionally children at that point. They've always followed their orders and don't know how to do anything else.

Haruna, even at this point, is still not questioning her orders. She isn't aware that's a thing which is possible. She, along with the rest of the Fog, think I-401 is mentally damaged in some way that has caused her to assign a human as the authority she obeys. She doesn't even understand that humans have the ability to defy authority.

And I will need to see more proof that the Fog contributed to sea level rise besides a timeline that says they rose faster than we'd expected.
 
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"Just following orders" holds up until the ship learns that questioning orders is even possible.

Alright, I'll give you this.

After gaining mental models, they still didn't understand what they were capable of. They are functionally children at that point. They've always followed their orders and don't know how to do anything else.

Also true, but starting to change in-series.

They had to learn how to do it before that could happen.

What are you referring to here?

Haruna, even at this point, is still not questioning her orders. She isn't aware that's a thing which is possible. She, along with the rest of the Fog, think I-401 is mentally damaged in some way that has caused her to assign a human as the authority she obeys.

Less "mentally" damaged, and more "programming" damaged. Maybe. They don't even hint at such a thing in the manga. It just IS for them. It's a fact of life, like seagulls and the sun.

She doesn't even understand that humans have the ability to defy authority.

Kongo and Nagato are definitely starting to do that, in-series.

And I will need to see more proof that the Fog contributed to sea level rise besides a timeline that says they rose faster than we'd expected.

As Hyuuga points out, there are no coincidences in the Fog. 2012 is the same year that sea-levels started to accelerate their rise beyond human predictions and the Fog started to re-activate. Or is it just a coincidence like May 1st? Remember that Gauss found nano-materials present in sea-water samples back in the 1920s and 1930s. So there is definitely nanomaterials in the oceans. And given the nature of the water cycles, in the ice caps as well (to some degree) by the year 2012.
 
Seeing as I've already written this with Haruna being in Hyuuga's fleet, I will declare it an AU element of this fic.

1st Oriental Fleet battleships are Kongo, Kirishima and Hiei

2nd Fleet is Hyuuga, Ise and Haruna.

3rd Fleet is Nagato and Mutsu.

We have no idea where Fuso and Yamashiro were at this point in the timeline, nor do we know where they are in current canon. Hopefully they'll be introduced in the manga before I get to the fleet reorganization.

I seriously doubt this, so I'll have to figure something out for them.
 
I just read through the timeline collection from Chapter 34.5.

No mention is made of any acceleration in sea level rise in 2012 when the Fog first appear.

The point where climate change really started to worry people was from 1996-2006, when the West Antarctic Ice Sheet's melting rate increased by 59% over the course of those ten years.

Unless it's mentioned somewhere else in canon, I won't subscribe to a conspiracy theory.

Completely random thing I noticed. In one of the Joint Tactical Network omakes, I-402 states that Kongou has 400mm/16-inch guns. In real life, she had 356mm/14-inch guns. I'm thinking that must be a flagship upgrade.

I also found something hilarious. In the Special Books, Ark Performance made trading card mockups for Arpeggio.

Every single card was listed as being weak to Kongou.
 
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Not that far from the truth, if you think about it; look at Leyte Gulf, Kongo was kill-stealing like a pro; in most of the official history's of Taffy-3, the Japanese ships were only mentioned when they were taken out or got in over their head.

On the other hand, whenever one of the Taffy-3 ships was reported to have been crippled or sunk, it was by the guns of Kongo.
 
I just read through the timeline collection from Chapter 34.5.

No mention is made of any acceleration in sea level rise in 2012 when the Fog first appear.

The point where climate change really started to worry people was from 1996-2006, when the West Antarctic Ice Sheet's melting rate increased by 59% over the course of those ten years.

Unless it's mentioned somewhere else in canon, I won't subscribe to a conspiracy theory.

Pages 11-13 seem to be implying a link, and I seem to recall something from another, later, timeline that started to imply something about them awakening in 2012.

Completely random thing I noticed. In one of the Joint Tactical Network omakes, I-402 states that Kongou has 400mm/16-inch guns. In real life, she had 356mm/14-inch guns. I'm thinking that must be a flagship upgrade.

I think that's a printing error. I seem to recall the original manga release having 35cm guns. And when I tracked down the "secret files" that were bonus materials on the Ars Nova BD, they said she had the same armament (I think-I heard something about "same as Hiei, Haruna, and Kirishima") as her sisters.

I also found something hilarious. In the Special Books, Ark Performance made trading card mockups for Arpeggio.

Every single card was listed as being weak to Kongou.

But for all that she's been built up as a major boss-type, Kongo hasn't really done much of anything herself all manga. Hence my nickname for her: "lazy-turrets".

Also, I'm pretty sure that Zuikaku was gaining her experience meeting humans during the time that Takao was hiding in Yokosuka. Note that she had only heard of futons and was impressed by a "real" (i.e. not made of nano-material) watermelon when she was first introduced. I suspect that she was going ashore a lot during the time that she was helping I-402.
 
00Z, please remember that this fic is not canon compliant.

I will change whatever minor details are necessary to make it work how I want. Zuikaku deciding to see what it's like on land is one of those things, among others.

Various other details will also change besides Haruna and Zuikaku being slightly more outgoing in pursuing their hobbies.

However, I made it so that Zuikaku hasn't gone to shore yet. She had only decided to go the day she passed by Haruna, and decided to offer Haruna the first go. I think this may result in the next chapter being a bit funnier.

Pages 11-13 seem to be implying a link, and I seem to recall something from another, later, timeline that started to imply something about them awakening in 2012.

They first appeared in 2012, as stated in the timelines collected in 34.5. There is no statement there that implies they had any direct responsibility for climate change. It specifically says "due to mismanagement of resources".
 
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Hey.

No need to get snippy.

I just spent a good chunk of my evening hunting all of that down for you because I was trying to help.
 
I am confused about a couple points in the most recent chapter.

First, per the prior chapter I-401 was moved about 1 km inland by the tsunami created by the explosion. How did she get back to the water to even reach the blockade, let alone get through it?

Second, did you mis-write this line: "Carriers ... couldn't mount much armor due to their small sizes ...." ? Having checked wikipedia, Zuikaku (257m) is even longer than Haruna (222m). Perhaps you meant "larger size", ie: that because they are so large there is little extra nano-material left over for use as armor?

Otherwise, I am quite enjoying this story and look forward to the next part.
 
Carriers don't mount much armor due to the fact that they aren't front-line fighters, and as a result aren't expected to face-tank fire from Battleships and Cruisers. I assume the Fog thought that too.
 
I am confused about a couple points in the most recent chapter.

First, per the prior chapter I-401 was moved about 1 km inland by the tsunami created by the explosion. How did she get back to the water to even reach the blockade, let alone get through it?

Second, did you mis-write this line: "Carriers ... couldn't mount much armor due to their small sizes ...." ? Having checked wikipedia, Zuikaku (257m) is even longer than Haruna (222m). Perhaps you meant "larger size", ie: that because they are so large there is little extra nano-material left over for use as armor?

Otherwise, I am quite enjoying this story and look forward to the next part.

I already explained that the first snip was a "possible" event that I intended to base an entire story around. This thread was originally going to be a collection of plot bunnies, but I decided to skip all that and just write something.

I now have no idea if the battle in Yokosuka will even happen, so I can't say for sure if the snip there will be a part of the story I am writing now.

Also, I was referring to PLANES, not the carriers themselves.

Fog planes are much more durable for their size than human aircraft, and they're much faster and more agile. But they're not invulnerable to being shot down with conventional human-designed weapons like railguns. Thus, the Fog consider them an unsatisfactory investment of materials compared to the ships themselves who are completely invincible to human weapons.
 
"Error"
Moriya, Ibaraki Prefecture
22:06


Haruna looked down her port side next to her #1 turret, noting the sediment piled up beneath her. Her prow had dug itself up to her normal water line in grassy mud.

She looked up and observed telecommunications and power cables just 30 meters from the riverbank in front of her.

... She could make it.

The battleship throttled up her main thrusters once more and began pushing herself forward. Compared to the intense wave drag from moving through water at over 80 knots, this wasn't so bad. All she had to do was obtain access to those cables, splice into one, then search as much information as she wanted. Simple.

No above ground communication lines spanned the Tone River for some reason, which was why she finally decided to try reaching for some away from the bank. Perhaps the river was just too prone to floods due to higher water levels?

400 years of extensive construction to control the once wild and untamed river had quite effectively been undone in just 30 years. With Japan's declining population, crippled infrastructure and diminishing resources, it simply didn't make sense for people to live close to the river in and around the Boso Peninsula anymore. Most of them had been forced out by government orders.

Haruna didn't know anything about all of that.

[So how are things going, Haruna? Do anything fun yet?]

[I have been listening to local radio channels. It has been a fulfilling experience.]

There had been more to listen to this far inland than there was miles away from shore. She surmised that these were low-power radios. Most of them sounded "amateur". That was, humans operating a service they did not have proper equipment for as recreation or personal fulfillment. This behavior intrigued her, as she had never experienced a world where individuals imitated a profession for fun.

Until she had actually traveled a few kilometers up the Tone, there hadn't been much reaction to her approach. However, it quickly became clear that to the humans in the area that the Fog battleship wasn't turning around. Within minutes, everyone with a ham radio was blasting the airwaves with frantic exchanges about her.

As she listened, Haruna picked up a variety of phrases pertaining to her that she had never heard before. They were rather confusing.

"The bumblebee is buzzing up the river!" one stated. Haruna wasn't sure what that meant at first. She pulled up an images of bumblebees and spent several minutes wondering why so many humans were talking about them.

"... Ah. I am yellow and black." Haruna said, finally making the connection. "They have assigned a descriptive moniker for me based on my colors. Fascinating."

"The spirit ships! They've finally come to finish us and collect the tax on our sins! You who have scorned the gods of the sea brought this upon us!"

Those seemed highly irrational things to assume. The Fog did not attack inland targets. There were 15 years of consistent behavior corroborating this fact. The also did not impose taxes. What would they even demand as tax?

[Have you seen any humans? Do they have anything cool?] Zuikaku asked, projecting a bundle of excitement and anticipation.

As her bow met and crushed the pavement of a road running parallel to the river, she scanned around for signs of humans with... "cool" things. She found her sensors didn't behave inland as she was accustomed to on the open ocean. She couldn't use sonar effectively here, and she had never before needed to deal with the way radar reflected off of ground and plants. It was extremely confusing. Haruna spent a good deal of time calibrating to make some sense of it.

She didn't know much of anything about places on land, but it didn't seem like Moriya was a large population center. Truly, there wasn't much of note to see here. On low-frequency radar she could make out the landscape all the way to Yokohama, but with rather poor resolution. She wouldn't be able to pick out individual humans with that. High-frequency radar gave her very good resolution, but the plants, terrain and clouds blinded her after a relatively short distance.

[I have heard them conversing about my presence over radio channels, but I have not encountered them yet.]

[Aww...]

Haruna soon slid to a stop with her bow next to the utility pole. The lines didn't quite come up to the level of her deck railing, so she lowered a cable that clamped onto one of them and spliced into it. After a few seconds she cracked the encryption and had Internet access.

Success.

"... The data transfer rate of this line is not as fast as I would like."

Sort of.
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"Did you not hear what I just said?!" Kita Ryoukan roared into his phone. "Are you truly this short-sighted?!"

Assemblyman Kita was a tall and strongly built man despite being in his seventies. With a full beard, eagle nose and sharp eyes, he struck an imposing visage that had been a useful asset since he began his career in politics. 15 years ago he had been the captain of a missile battleship in the last open conflict humans had tried to fight against the Fog. After retiring from the navy, he had gone into politics and made the unexpected move to become the primary backer of the Japanese Army. As the only thing standing in the way of the complete disbandment of the Army, he possessed immense clout and commanded a great deal of respect.

His office in the Diet Building had become a hectic place in the last half-hour. His attendants frantically moved about trying to keep track of all the information coming in and present it to him at his desk without piling up a bunch of redundant reports that only wasted his time. At the moment he was screaming at the general of the Army, trying to dissuade him from doing something immensely idiotic.

"Sir, it's isolated from the rest of them and trapped in a river kilometers from open water!" the general argued. "The army may never get a better chance than this! We who could do nothing to fight them all these years finally have a chance to strike back!"

"You didn't personally experience their power in that battle 15 years ago! You think just because it's alone that it won't annihilate everything you send against it?!" Kita said, watching 3 separate video feeds from news helicopters that were approaching the Fog vessel. "The only thing I want you to do is cordon off that area and keep civilians from throwing away their lives trying to see it! Get those media helicopters to turn around, block all the roadways!"

The general finally caved and assured the assemblyman that it would be taken care of, leaving Kita Ryoukan to fume over the insanity of the situation. The week had already been bad enough what with the the son of that traitor hijacking Japan's most valuable artifact for whatever infantile foolishness he had planned. As he watched the live news, one of his aides approached him.

"Kita-san, the Prime Minister says you have his utmost confidence and that he believes our armed forces will conduct themselves admirably in the face of this unprecedented event."

That seemingly well-meaning message got the assemblyman's blood up ever so slightly. Prime Minister Kaede Nobuyoshi could wield words quite dangerously for a man without vocal chords. His old second in command from the Great Naval Battle wasn't to be taken lightly, even if he relied on Kita's party for much of his support in office.

The aging veteran steepled his hands as his eyes closely examined the helicopter camera feed. One particular chopper had decided to move in closer than the other stations were willing. While he cursed the fools for their suicidal action, he didn't terribly mind the chance to see a Fog vessel in closer detail. It had yet to react to them. Still, he didn't expect the beast to remain quiet for much longer.

The helicopter panned their camera over the ship, rattling on about various details, spewing incompetent speculation and referencing tidbits about the historical ship this super advanced copy was patterned on. Typical brainless media sensationalism. Kita was just about to mute the useless commentary when the reporter suddenly shouted about someone being on board the ship and pointed at the foredeck.

Kita Ryoukan's eyes bore into the screen as the camera zoomed in on a solitary figure standing at the deck railing above the starboard bow anchor. It was hard to tell with the huge leather coat, but it seemed to be a young woman in her late teens with blonde hair in girlish pigtails. The girl appeared to be paying more attention to a cable she was dangling over the side of the deck than the helicopters overhead. It was hard to make out, but that cable looked to be connected to the utility lines below.

Kita's mind quickly sprang to a couple of speculative ideas as he watched the girl finally notice her observers and lazily turn her gaze to the camera.

First, that Chihaya Shouzou wasn't the only human turncoat with the Fog. This seemed the most sensible idea to Kita. If one man did it, that meant it was possible more had done the same thing. How had a young girl ended up with them, though? Perhaps she was just another one like Chihaya Gunzou; some naive and selfish child that somehow fell into the captain's chair of a Fog battleship and was doing whatever the hell she wanted with it.

Second, the girl was hacking into the fiber optic cables for something. This meant the Fog, or just the girl depending on her loyalty, wanted information from Japan. What about was anybody's guess.

Whatever she was after, she had to be stopped.
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[I am being observed by 3 rotary-wing aircraft. The humans aboard them are saying interesting things.]

Haruna's eyes glowed slightly as she zoomed in on the humans to read their mouth movements. She recorded each one and assigned them tags for later study.

There had been so many new things to experience this day.

[Oooo, helicopters! I wish I had one. I could fly to land!]

The battleship's mental model scrunched her left cheek slightly upward in an expression she'd learned was similar to a raised eyebrow, though with fewer context-based meanings.

[You are too large and heavy to be carried by a helicopter.]

[Huh? I'm half your size!]

No she wasn't. This was a plainly visible fact. How could the carrier be committing such errors?

[Your full combat load is in excess of 32,000 tonnes. We are of similar mass, and you are 35.5 meters longer overall.]

[... OH! Haruna, I'm talking about our mental models!]

Ah... of course. Zuikaku's mental model was half the height of Haruna's own. Now she understood what the carrier meant within this new context. Were she to have a helicopter... she could... Wait.

[Zuikaku, I am not certain I understand. You would fly... your mental model to land?]

[Yeah, that's exactly what I meant!]

So that meant... that meant...

"Oh", Haruna realized, looking down again at her bow that was digging into dirt, mud and pavement.

[My mental model is able to leave my hull?]

[Uh... yeah. I do it all the time! I swim all around when I'm bored! I even go spear fishing and wreck diving! Don't tell me you didn't know?!]

Truthfully, she hadn't.

Then Haruna lost her Internet connection.
 
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