what's the more better alternatehistory you've ever read?

The Burning Cauldron: The Neo Assyrian Empire Defended

This thread, is a minor tl, which could develop into a full-time creation, exploring the geopolitical schematics in a world wherein the Assyrian empire defeats the Medo-Babylonian alliance and contends itself with the changing situation in the Middle East. This is also a thought experiment...

Is an interesting look at Neo-Assyria.
 
No Southern Strategy and New Deal Coalition Retained are really good, using wikiboxes as a medium to tell an interesting story. The former focusing on a LBJ landslide in '64, depriving Goldwater of any electoral votes. The latter focusing on the death of Eisenhower's Chief of Staff in the 50s. Both of the timelines are extremely detailed in story and worldbuilding and worth a read.
 
Queen Nixon in Nelson Mandela 4 Apartheid, or Die Hanoi Jane, Die.
Queen Nixon in Nuke Free WWIII, or Justin Trudeau Died For Your Freedom.
Queen Nixon in Ted Bundy is Your Alt-Right President, or Pinochet Takes a Helicopter Ride.
Queen Nixon in Some of My Best Friends are Black Nutjobs or We're Gonna Santorum Things Up
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I still enjoyed it nonetheless, I don't particularly care if it's not realistic or there's too many tropes, I still find it to be a fun read. Sure some stuff is probably overdone or written poorly, but for what it's worth it's not too bad. There's some fun to be had in the wackiness I suppose.
 
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I still enjoyed it nonetheless, I don't particularly care if it's not realistic or there's too many tropes, I still find it to be a fun read. Sure some stuff is probably overdone or written poorly, but for what it's worth it's not too bad. There's some fun to be had in the wackiness I suppose.

It's not about the quality of the writing, it's about the abysmal politics transparently being worked into it and the total disregard for non American political history.
 
I still enjoyed it nonetheless, I don't particularly care if it's not realistic or there's too many tropes, I still find it to be a fun read. Sure some stuff is probably overdone or written poorly, but for what it's worth it's not too bad.
People's main problem with it is that it's crypto-fascist garbage with an obsession with redeeming utterly odious figures and revenge fantasies
 
I guess I see your point, but then again I just thought it was pretty interesting.
I admit I did read the early updates and thought it was a well written dystopia, until I realized the writer had other thoughts of the value of a party system of "republicans or George Wallace".

And then it kinda went off the deep end, starting with the Jane Fonda revenge fantasy and down from there, with highlights like trying to get as many serial killers into office, apartheid Mandela because obviously he's a good person so he has to be an anti communist in the author's mind, and concluding on the soviets not pushing the red button as they get invaded.
 
I admit I did read the early updates and thought it was a well written dystopia, until I realized the writer had other thoughts of the value of a party system of "republicans or George Wallace".

And then it kinda went off the deep end, starting with the Jane Fonda revenge fantasy and down from there, with highlights like trying to get as many serial killers into office, apartheid Mandela because obviously he's a good person so he has to be an anti communist in the author's mind, and concluding on the soviets not pushing the red button as they get invaded.

Yeah def, it goes off the deep end in later chapters, but the start is a pretty good TL. It's not perfect by any means, no timeline ever is. If the head of the TL focused more on the actual US politics and not trying to remake NSS. It coulda been pretty good.

Also I for one am also sick of the WWIII at the end of the story trope, it just shows that the author doesn't really know how to end it without beeg explosion/war.

Also iirc the creator of the TL admitted he was on the conservative side, which probably is the reasoning behind some of his more esoteric choices. Never shoehorn your political beliefs into your stories folks.
 
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Yeah def, it goes off the deep end in later chapters, but the start is a pretty good TL. It's not perfect by any means, no timeline ever is. If the head of the TL focused more on the actual US politics and not trying to remake NSS. It coulda been pretty good.

Also I for one am also sick of the WWIII at the end of the story trope, it just shows that the author doesn't really know how to end it without beeg explosion/war.

Also iirc the creator of the TL admitted he was on the conservative side, which probably is the reasoning behind some of his more esoteric choices. Never shoehorn your political beliefs into your stories folks.

Yeah as I said, the same start to the story could be interesting if the goal was to be dystopic. But that's definitely not the intent and everything that followed made that really explicit.
 
Yeah as I said, the same start to the story could be interesting if the goal was to be dystopic. But that's definitely not the intent and everything that followed made that really explicit.

This is why I view NSS as much better, the dudes who wrote it didn't go balls to the wall in later chapters and even the more wild stuff like Governor Hunter S. Thompson of Colorado felt grounded. NCDR suffered massively around halfway through it's first part, shifting massively several times in both writing and overall style. It's not the worst timeline I've ever read and I should probably retract my previous statement in hindsight, but it is still worth a read up to a certain point as where it started provides a good base on what not to do when making a timeline. Another hot take: the WWIII stuff in some parts is not inherently horribly written, but the concept behind it is quite foolish, (The General Secretary just wants to go to war because world socialism or whatever).
 
It's not about the quality of the writing, it's about the abysmal politics transparently being worked into it and the total disregard for non American political history.

Oh, the quality of the writing is shit as well. It is just awful on every level.

No Southern Strategy isn't so bad, but it is dull and based on a popular misunderstanding of US politics.
 
Also iirc the creator of the TL admitted he was on the conservative side, which probably is the reasoning behind some of his more esoteric choices.
I haven't read NDCR other than a few glimpses at it, but I read Ruins of an American Party System recently and practically every other post was the Congressman shrieking some variation of "die commies die", supporting the furthest right candidates in American elections, or supporting literal fascists. It's not surprising that someone that vocal in someone else's thread, wouldn't really have any restraint in their own thread.
 
Another hot take: the WWIII stuff in some parts is not inherently horribly written, but the concept behind it is quite foolish, (The General Secretary just wants to go to war because world socialism or whatever).

I would dispute that. As a Conventional WWIII-ologist, I can say that I consider it the worst depiction of such a conflict I've read. If it was a normal narrative in an obviously soft setting, and you knew the author was clearly going for a Turtledove-esque parallel to the real World War 2 (because apart from just plopping down big numbers, that's what it's clearly the most inspired by), it may have been all right.

Instead, it's written in the "classic" wikibox/stock photo/exposition/occasional vignette style. Its background up to this point is a total jumble. The numbers are all wrong. There are too few tanks at first, and of course far too many troops as the 4 million soldiers in the red steamroller sloooooooooowly grind their way past 3 million NATO ones in Neo-Imperial Germany. They make it to the Rhine, and no nukes are launched. They make it past the Rhine and into France (!) and no nukes are launched. Then, the tide turns!

It doesn't turn because the Soviets are overextended or worn down (the most spherical cow plausible way). It doesn't turn because of some new gimmick or superweapon (what a real Clancy/Bond technothriller would do). It turns because the East Germans, full of "Pan-German Sentiment", switch sides. Then the tide turns, and we get gargantuan numbers of Irish and Rhodesians deployed to continental Europe. After a divergence of election wikiboxes, the same "what about the nukes" happens in reverse. Leningrad and Baku are overrun. No launch. The Allies close in on Moscow, and they finally launch-and it's considered a rogue madman's act instead of, you know, sensible. The Star Wars missile defense shoots down what little makes it up.

It's badly written (IMO), and more importantly, it has very little thought beyond "numbers!" put into it. Since military timelines (especially for one of the most covered and analyzed periods) tend to be overly detailed and nitpicky, it's actually interesting in a way to see the worst elements of political timelines (just plopping in names and numbers and wikiboxes on a total whim) being used as the backbone of such a war. But that doesn't make it good, just interestingly bad.
 
It's badly written (IMO), and more importantly, it has very little thought beyond "numbers!" put into it. Since military timelines (especially for one of the most covered and analyzed periods) tend to be overly detailed and nitpicky, it's actually interesting in a way to see the worst elements of political timelines (just plopping in names and numbers and wikiboxes on a total whim) being used as the backbone of such a war. But that doesn't make it good, just interestingly bad.

Not a total whim. Whatever barely hidden fascist wanking he can get away with, mixed with horrible randomness.
 
The core issue with "alt cold war" timelines is they're written by People Who Like Studying The Cold War, and in the anglosphere 99% of that is anticommunist boomers. Maybe if you can get PSL dudes into alt history we'd get weird tankie versions, idk. Lib/left leaning cold war era narratives are shit like "what if more radical civil rights era" or "what if the Vietnam mutinies led to revolution/civil war" rather than WW3, cause like, the west would win and it'd be miserable lol
 
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