What if RWBY was Realistic?

[LancerisDead]

Anyways back on topic lets just make RWBY more grounded then. Realism doesn't make sense. But still justifications and nationalities would be better ideal.

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And what those would be?

As to nationality, it makes sense how little importance where you were born has: the world has been in a state of full demilitarization for almost a century, and it's been pretty clear the Ozluminati have been making effort to cut inter-nation conflict from the root, IE: the Vytal Festival.

Lol. Every Jaune defender always falls back to "but Jesus-kun and Onii-sama!" As if the existence of worse written characters justify how terrible Jaune is as a human being. He goes to magic high school despite not knowing what Semblances are, doesn't fucking study at all, relies on his tittyninja to back him up and is a knowing criminal by falsifying his results to Beacon. He's the kid from a wizard family who doesn't know what spells are. He deserves to be thrown in jail.

Secondly, I didn't throw the blame at Monty, Leila did. Engage her instead of me.

Thirdly, there's nothing stopping Miles from relinquishing his role as voice actor to someone who actually has training of voice acting. He can get Kerry to write Jaune instead. No, Miles Luna gets no benefit of the doubt from me. As far as I'm concerned, he's still basically Sokka but shit.

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Soooo, you're just gonna ignore that Jaune pretty much is another character from midway season 2 to now? Because that's what you're doing, character development be damned.

 

[Nicholai]

My main gripe with the "how would it make it more realistic" debate is that it really doesn't say anything of how to improve RWBY in specific.

If it was a show focused in the economics on the setting or just entirely world building focused then it'd make sense like say, Spice and Wolf, but that's not really not what the show's trying to be about?

I mean, going into detail about the student curriculum and stuff like that'd be cool, but would it really add that much to the story? Heck, can you even add scenes like that without screwing up the pacing even more?

Now, more world building would go a long ways to cut the sketchiness of the first season and a half, but I get why between trying to shoehorn an exposition scene about stuff that all characters should already know and trying to develop them they'd go for the later.

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Oh, look. It is a casually sniping post that belittles the effort other people have put in because they aren't saying what you want to hear. Remember all the effort people have made discussing things that could be added as background pieces to convey depth and world building? Like Tada's suggestion of having a "Faunus only" sign on a business at some point? Things that wouldn't screw up the pacing?

As for the exposition, might I remind you that we get most of the exposition anyway. Blake gives us the drama of the White Fang and Human / Faunus racism in a literal example of an info dump that Blake gives to Sun, another Faunus who should already know that information. Pyrrha explains about half of what we learn with regards to Aura in the first season when she unlocks Jaune's in the forest. Glynda explains the rest of what we learn that season during the sparring match between Jaune and Cardin.

Finally who says the people making the show have to go into detail about any of these suggestions. Take the scene in Volume 1 where Team RWBY puts together their dorm room. Instead of that (enjoyable as the humor was) they could have had the Team comparing schedules. The core classes they have together but in the afternoons Ruby has time at the practice range for her marksmanship while Yang is in another elective. Given her penchant for throwing around explosive Dust rounds or "creatively rearranging the scenery" perhaps something like Architecture 101: How To Not Drop A Building On Yourself.

That's kind of wrong on so many levels, though.

First, if Jaune was an overpowered protagonist with no personality of his own that made all the female cast fall for him you'd have a point. But as it stands, anyone that watched say, 75% show knows that is nowhere near close to the case. Fucking Kirito or Onii-sama he's not, period.

Second, the whole accusation that he surely is now throwing the blame on his co-workers is just gross. I mean, that's one hell of an assumption to make about someone you don't even know, especially in such a sensitive context.

The guy has gone on to say that he's gotten hesitant about voicing and writing Jaune due to all the accusations thrown, and some people's reaction is to double down and not even give him the benefit of the doubt? That's a lot of bad faith, I think, and if anything makes me think less of the people saying stuff like that.

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Here's the thing, Lancer. If you have faith in the writers that they are doing a good job you will extend them the benefit of the doubt. If you don't have faith in the writers you won't. Insinuating people are debating in bad faith and basically insulting them doesn't change their viewpoint.

If you want to change it then engage with them and try to convince them. Try linking things like the interviews at various conventions where Miles complains about how clueless Jaune is. I can recall seeing at least one where a fan asked what the voice actors would say to their characters. They barely finished their question before Miles was shouting something along the lines of "Wake up! She is so into you!" (Note I am paraphrasing his exact words.) If Jaune really was a self-insert then why would Miles be shouting that?

I mean it isn't like 20 seconds on YouTube found a video with one of those sets of comments and then what I'm pretty sure is the full panel where that first link happened. I haven't watched the nearly hour-and-a-half second video to find the exact time stamp for you but hey, maybe you'll enjoy watching enough to find the evidence you can use next time.

Finally, to everyone else, I don't think Jaune was well written. There are some serious plot holes around the character. I just don't think he's a self-insert.

 

[LancerisDead]

Oh, look. It is a casually sniping post that belittles the effort other people have put in because they aren't saying what you want to hear. Remember all the effort people have made discussing things that could be added as background pieces to convey depth and world building? Like Tada's suggestion of having a "Faunus only" sign on a business at some point? Things that wouldn't screw up the pacing?

As for the exposition, might I remind you that we get most of the exposition anyway. Blake gives us the drama of the White Fang and Human / Faunus racism in a literal example of an info dump that Blake gives to Sun, another Faunus who should already know that information. Pyrrha explains about half of what we learn with regards to Aura in the first season when she unlocks Jaune's in the forest. Glynda explains the rest of what we learn that season during the sparring match between Jaune and Cardin.

Finally who says the people making the show have to go into detail about any of these suggestions. Take the scene in Volume 1 where Team RWBY puts together their dorm room. Instead of that (enjoyable as the humor was) they could have had the Team comparing schedules. The core classes they have together but in the afternoons Ruby has time at the practice range for her marksmanship while Yang is in another elective. Given her penchant for throwing around explosive Dust rounds or "creatively rearranging the scenery" perhaps something like Architecture 101: How To Not Drop A Building On Yourself.

Here's the thing, Lancer. If you have faith in the writers that they are doing a good job you will extend them the benefit of the doubt. If you don't have faith in the writers you won't. Insinuating people are debating in bad faith and basically insulting them doesn't change their viewpoint.

If you want to change it then engage with them and try to convince them. Try linking things like the interviews at various conventions where Miles complains about how clueless Jaune is. I can recall seeing at least one where a fan asked what the voice actors would say to their characters. They barely finished their question before Miles was shouting something along the lines of "Wake up! She is so into you!" (Note I am paraphrasing his exact words.) If Jaune really was a self-insert then why would Miles be shouting that?

I mean it isn't like 20 seconds on YouTube found a video with one of those sets of comments and then what I'm pretty sure is the full panel where that first link happened. I haven't watched the nearly hour-and-a-half second video to find the exact time stamp for you but hey, maybe you'll enjoy watching enough to find the evidence you can use next time.

Finally, to everyone else, I don't think Jaune was well written. There are some serious plot holes around the character. I just don't think he's a self-insert.

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I ain't sniping anyone's efforts, believe me. That whole faunus racism thing is probably the single most botched thing in the series, as in, beyond the bully arc and that bar in V5 I don't think there was a single instance of racism that was shown instead of told.

And all those things you put up there would've been huge improvements to the show as a whole, however, taking for example that scene you wrote up above would've taken say, three to five minutes of screentime, not to mention the production time it would've taken to model, rig, script and voice Faunus Girl No. 2.

Now go look up the average running time for any chapter in Volume 1. Could they have fitted something like that in? Probably, and I would've taken more world building over Cardin and Co. any time of the day, but hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

I'm not defending them on it, though. We've had two Volumes on a place that was supposed to be pretty bad for faunus and we still haven't seen any significant racism.

And I see what you mean with debating the self-insert issue, I think I get a little defensive since that kind of stuff irks me the wrong way.

 

[Emma]

I'll give this a shot.

First, the premise of "What if RWBY was realistic" is vague and messy. That's already been established. Let's twist it a bit and start with "What would a more grounded RWBY be like?"

To me, there seems to be two questions at the heart of RWBY, so let's think about which one is more important and ditch the other.

1. "How do we deal with the cultural and spiritual decline of our society, as exemplified by the issue with the oppression of a minority and the White Fang?"

2. "How can the individual thrive when a violently aggressive environment, namely the threat of grimm, creates both dogmatic hero worship and a largely selfish and conservative cultural outlook?"

What matters more to RWBY? Racism against the faunus, or monsters? A more grounded story would just have the one, and focus on it. More time could be given to exploring the ideas created from it because the other isn't there.

I'm tempted to say the White Fang would be a better antagonist for a grounded story, but racism and terrorism are two huge subjects that are just too broad for a webshow like RWBY to examine in depth. So lets go with monsters- but really, we're just going with a Man vs Nature story, that might eventually become a Man vs Society story. We'll have huntsmen be less like Monster Hunters or God Eaters, and more like the Mouse Guard.

Grimm are usually dumb, but they're large and difficult to take down. Trick weapons and dust are replaced with more standard weapons and ammo, and aura does not exist. A well prepared team of huntsmen can reliably take down a grimm that wanders past the borders, but every so often there will be stories of teams caught off guard by one, or a team that made a small mistake at the worst possible time. Therefore, a lot of what huntsmen do is patrolling along the edge between civilization and the world's untamed wilds. A lot of time surviving the elements, looking around, and waiting. Huntsmen would, occasionally, have time back in civilization to relax and re-equip before going back out, but the majority of their time is spent at the very fringes of the known world, trying to survive.

So, when I said "more like Mouse Guard" I kinda meant... well, I want this more grounded version of RWBY to entirely to be like Mouse Guard.

 

[Suzu]

And all those things you put up there would've been huge improvements to the show as a whole, however, taking for example that scene you wrote up above would've taken say, three to five minutes of screentime, not to mention the production time it would've taken to model, rig, script and voice Faunus Girl No. 2.

Now go look up the average running time for any chapter in Volume 1. Could they have fitted something like that in? Probably, and I would've taken more world building over Cardin and Co. any time of the day, but hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

I'm not defending them on it, though. We've had two Volumes on a place that was supposed to be pretty bad for faunus and we still haven't seen any significant racism.

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Irrelevant. We aren't discussing the reason they didn't do this. We are discussing the way it could've been done better. Production values and running time don't matter in this case.

Also, we haven't seen significant racism anywhere in RWBY. You want a scene that can establish racism without taking too much screen time and effort? Show rich people sneer at poor faunus servants during that fancy Schnee party. This scene would take from five seconds to ten and would at the very least give enough obvious implications.

 

[Chloe Sullivan]

This thread feels like it has turned into just a less competent rehash of Storybuilding - Rebuilding RWBY

 

[Uncle]

Moving on how would you make Beacon Academy more realistic but keep the basic premise the same?

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Add more faculty. Seriously, at best we see like four staff members for a school containing around a hundred students. They don't have to main characters, just random custodians, security guards, administrators, nurses and consolers.

On that note, have more scenes about how to kill Grimm. We got like two of those. We should seeing the students learning how to fight all types of Grimm and where their weak points are. And if hunters are going to be fighting human, then should the students should learn how to fight them too. I feel like there should be more scenes like this:
Just fewer internal monologues.

 

[Kokurokoki]

Thirdly, there's nothing stopping Miles from relinquishing his role as voice actor to someone who actually has training of voice acting. He can get Kerry to write Jaune instead. No, Miles Luna gets no benefit of the doubt from me. As far as I'm concerned, he's still basically Sokka but shit.

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I wouldn't really compare Jaune to Sokka because... Sokka is legitimately entertaining, and becomes a badass towards the 3rd quarter of the series.

However, I kinda have to echo your sentiment there. The one major thing that doesn't make sense, and needs to be fixed over almost everything, is Jaune and his presence into Beacon. He doesn't know what Semblances are, he can't fight, he can't make and maintain his own weapons. His motivations for getting into Beacon are not really clear from what I understood of the first two seasons of the show. He's just kinda there, and can't even do what's expected of basic Huntsmen. He also has a really boring character arc that isn't even resolved all that well.

On the flip side, Ruby despite being 14 gets a pass into Beacon because she's incredibly good for her age. She received training from one of the best Huntsmen in the world and she is skilled at forging and maintaining her own weapons to boot. She sucks at hand-to-hand fighting and is socially awkward, struggles with her confidence, and has very little practical experience, but that gets better over the course of the show.

Sokka actually has a realistic reason for being so bad at fighting. He's a boy trying to be a man in his father's absence, and has received little to no basic training. Throughout the series, he begins to feel downtrodden about being a burden to the group, because he feels that he can't compete with benders. However, he's shown to be a quick learner and learns various fighting techniques throughout the series, which ultimately culminates in him becoming an trickster swordsman as he distinguishes himself from the group.

Meanwhile, I can't really say what distinguishes Jaune from the rest of the cast RWBY. They try to play him off as a strategist and leader, but it just comes off as subpar--at least to me--because it feels like he's chasing behind Ruby's character--who is the strategist and leader of her team. It makes the character dynamic a little strange in season 4, because you have two characters with the same role in the same team now and to me it just kinda doesn't work as well.

Roosterteeth should have taken a page from underdog stories. Make Jaune the Deku of RWBY. Have him enter Beacon on special recommendation from his parents, who want to prove that a Semblance-less Huntsmen can make it. Have Jaune be an incredibly skilled and smart fighter who is largely hampered by his lack of a Semblance, who has to deal with the scorn of his fellow Huntsmen because they all see him as a burden. Give him weak aura, to the point where he needs to wear a special armor that strengthens it. Because of his past of being ostracized by his peers, he could have an outlook on life where he doesn't really care about status or titles, which would tie into his connection to Pyrrha who is often seen only as a celebrity and wants people to see her for who she really is.

Make his story arc about him learning to lean on his teammates, as he has always had to do everything on his own. This would distinguish his story from Ruby, who is trying to learn how to be a leader for her team. As for his fighting style, make him a trickster like Sokka who fights dirty. Have him use dust crystals like grenades and bombs as he manipulates opponents into his traps. You could make him interact with Ruby a lot, asking her to design various gadgets for him to use. The best thing about this is that you could do this while still giving him his dorky personality.

I mostly just watched the first two seasons of RWBY though. I sorta lost interest in the show after Monty died.

 

[Hykal94]

I wouldn't really compare Jaune to Sokka because... Sokka is legitimately entertaining, and becomes a badass towards the 3rd quarter of the series.

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Dude. I was referring how Jaune is RT's attempt of writing a Sokka-esque character and FAILING.

Therefore Sokka but without the wit, charm and badassery (i.e Sokka but shit).

 

[Kokurokoki]

Dude. I was referring how Jaune is RT's attempt of writing a Sokka-esque character and FAILING.

Therefore Sokka but without the wit, charm and badassery (i.e Sokka but shit).

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I know. It just... feels wrong to put Jeanne and Sokka in the same sentence comparing them...

*shudders*

 

[Mook]

Thirdly, there's nothing stopping Miles from relinquishing his role as voice actor to someone who actually has training of voice acting.

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Nothing aside from the fact that he's already been the voice of Jaune for several volumes and suddenly changing the character's voice for no reason would be jarring as hell you mean. Also Miles is a talented voice actor so quality-wise there's no real need for a replacement (unlike say, Adam).

He can get Kerry to write Jaune instead.

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He does actually.

No, Miles Luna gets no benefit of the doubt from me.

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Then that's your problem not his. If you want to make up reasons to hate him and the show then clearly there's no point in trying to please you.

"Stop screwing up my self insert, Miles!" Monty Oum's ghost yells at Luna, his words failing to penetrate the barrier between life and death.

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And now you're making fun of a dead man. Real classy dude. Real classy.

 

[Hykal94]

Then that's your problem not his. If you want to make up reasons to hate him and the show then clearly there's no point in trying to please you.

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Jaune provides enough reasons to hate him already, owing to the fact he's a shitty character and a shitty human being.

He does actually.

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She's a bad writer too then.

Nothing aside from the fact that he's already been the voice of Jaune for several volumes and suddenly changing the character's voice for no reason would be jarring as hell you mean. Also Miles is a talented voice actor so quality-wise there's no real need for a replacement (unlike say, Adam).

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It's not about Miles being a good voice actor. It's about people accusing him of writing himself into the show because he voice acts. If he has such issues with it then he can quit anytime he wants and hire another. If not, tough shit, grow thicker skin Luna.

And now you're making fun of a dead man. Real classy dude. Real classy.

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I make fun of dead people all the time. What is Monty gonna do, complain about me in the afterlife?

 

[ThePoarter]

Okay. Then if RWBY was consistent then how would it look like?

 

[Leila Hann]

Jaune provides enough reasons to hate him already, owing to the fact he's a shitty character and a shitty human being.



She's a bad writer too then.



It's not about Miles being a good voice actor. It's about people accusing him of writing himself into the show because he voice acts. If he has such issues with it then he can quit anytime he wants and hire another. If not, tough shit, grow thicker skin Luna.



I make fun of dead people all the time. What is Monty gonna do, complain about me in the afterlife?

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Kerry's a dude.

 

[Hykal94]

Kerry's a dude.

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This explains many things, most of which is not positive.

 

[Gh055twr1t3r]

I'll parrot what was said earlier and say that some changes to Beacon academy need to be made. It definitely feels more like High-school than an elite institution. It's understandable since they were definitely going for 'anime highschool hijinks' but then they should have downgraded everyone's age then. I honestly would have preferred it if we got more time in Beacon academy. It should have served its purpose to world-build and show everything everyone's mentioned so far. Field Trips that are less 'gather the sap' and more 'Let's find some Grimm and let me demonstrate good techniques against certain species'. The latter would have been something Port could have done with the students. A brief segment on politics within Vale or the relationship Vale has with other Kingdoms. RT had less resources back then but that means they should have spent way longer on building the overall narrative of the story instead of just going too goddamn fast.

So basically I wanted more of what we got in Volume 1 but less gathering sap and more Team RWBY. The end of Beacon would have been the end of Volume 5 and not 3.

Then there's Jaune. They should have basically made him a fusion of Naruto and Sakura. We'd take Naruto's lack of knowledge of some basic things(he'd still have his aura unlocked though) and Sakura's average ability . Maybe he's a late bloomer and only grows and excels in danger and Ozpin recognized this somehow and decided 'Fuck it, lets see how this goes' . We'd still have our bumbling dork but said bumbling dork doesn't stretch our SOD to ridiculous proportions. He wouldn't be completely useless in a fight but would still contribute something more in the earlier volumes.

And as an aside I was so disappointed when we didn't get kung-fu Ren after that Taijitu fight. Nora calls him a ninja but he's less ninja than Blake. Then again, Volume 5 Blake is less ninja than Blake from the earlier volumes so maybe RT can't do ninjas.

shitty human being

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Okay I'll bite. How is Jaune a shitty human being again?

 

[Hykal94]

Okay I'll bite. How is Jaune a shitty human being again?

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He claims to be from a family of Hunters but doesn't know what Aura/Sembalnce is. That's the equivalent of Ron Weasley not knowing what a spell is.
He calls Weiss an Ice Queen for rejecting his advances, making him all the more a creepy guy.
He lies about his administration test results to get into Beacon, putting the lives of his fellow Hunters at risk knowing how woefully underprepared he is.
He never fucking studies, like at all. He spends his time reading comics in the library or sleeping in class. For a guy risking it all to get into Beacon, the idiot sure dislikes studying! You know, at the academy where they are literally defending humanity from monsters.

Which means this assshat of a human being, likely bumped off a student who actually put time and effort into becoming a Hunter, and when he gets to his precious Hunter academy, fucks off in class and isn't at all serious at becoming one in the first place. Imagine lying to get into Harvard, knowing full well you're gonna bump off someone who put their blood and sweat into attending it in the first place.

Zwei, the damn dog, knows how to use Aura. We're five seasons in and we don't even know his goddamn powers in the first place. Jaune is either greatest conman in the world or Beacon has a staff full of fucking idiots.

I hope he gets tied to a post and be peppered with rotten fruit all day every day.

 

[Lealope]

I hope he gets burned at the stake and dies a painful death.

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I'm not super fond of Jaune either but can we perhaps tone it down a notch or ten?

 

[Hykal94]

I'm not super fond of Jaune either but can we perhaps tone it down a notch or ten?

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The guy is based off Joan D'Arc. It's gonna happen at some po-

wait no, this is RWBY, where fairytale/historical/mythological origins means jack shit.

Nevermind. Also I changed it.

 

[Lealope]

The guy is based off Joan D'Arc. It's gonna happen at some po-

wait no, this is RWBY, where fairytale/historical/mythological origins means jack shit.

Nevermind.

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There's a difference between speculating that he might die a horrible, painful death by burning and actively hoping for it. Even if you don't care in the slightest about wishing death on a fictional seventeen year old boy, your ITGing lowers the tone of the discussion.

This thread feels like it has turned into just a less competent rehash of Storybuilding - Rebuilding RWBY

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It really, really has.

I'd suggest everyone just start by reading that thread while completely ignoring everything by the OP. It would help a lot. There's a lot of good stuff by very clever people in there. It's certainly better than this shitshow.

 

[Kokurokoki]

Okay. Then if RWBY was consistent then how would it look like?

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Grimm are actually a legitimate threat. This gives the show some level of urgency. Also, Vale should have a standing army as well of some kind. If not Hunters, then infantry with dust firearms.

One of the main problems of RWBY is that it tries to do the "high school anime" thing while Beacon is technically a college. This is why generally the Grimm aren't too dangerous to the characters because they are already fairly skilled huntsmen. But at the same time it kinda kills the level of agency of the antagonists.

I think Huntsmen shouldn't be the defenders of the cities, but rather people who travel beyond the city walls to save villages under threat of the Grimm. They should be the equivalent of the original American Rangers, who if I remembered right were a regiment of soldiers who traveled throughout the Great Plains to protect settlers from native american raids.

The guy is based off Joan D'Arc. It's gonna happen at some po-

wait no, this is RWBY, where fairytale/historical/mythological origins means jack shit.

Nevermind.

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Actually I find it really sad that Jaune is an unfortunate waste of a character reference, because Joan D'Arc can be written incredibly well if you have half-competent writers.

Hell, a fucking mobile game managed to tell a compelling story about Joan coming back as a warrior spirit to save France from an evil version of herself who was summoned by an insane spirit of Gilles de Rais out of revenge. Her reappearance in France following her death actually manages to save the soul of the actual Gilles de Rais and prevent him from going down the dark path that leads him to become a child molester and practice black magic due to a loss of his faith. In the end, Gilles rallies the armies of France together to help Jeanne defeat her evil self and a shit ton of dragons.

I think Jaune's semblance should have been divine revelation. It's not something he can control, which still makes him the underdog since he doesn't have a semblance that can be used in combat, but it allows him to get a feel for future events and thus allows him to provide support to the cast. I believe this is in line with the actual Jeanne D'Arc, who apparently had revelations from God that allowed her to perform incredible feats that later attributed to France declaring her a Saint. One such example was that she apparently had a revelation about cannon fire that was about to hit an officer, and managed to save him in time. There were also reports of many commanders taking her advice due to the divine nature of her insights and the army she traveled with was incredibly successful in their endeavors.

 

[ThePoarter]

There's a difference between speculating that he might die a horrible, painful death by burning and actively hoping for it. Even if you don't care in the slightest about wishing death on a fictional seventeen year old boy, your ITGing lowers the tone of the discussion.



It really, really has.

I'd suggest everyone just start by reading that thread while completely ignoring everything by the OP. It would help a lot. There's a lot of good stuff by very clever people in there. It's certainly better than this shitshow.

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That's a really harsh criticism since while I have some idea where I want this thread to go I don't have a total picture.

Consistent world building and story tone is something that I believe should be mandatory in writing. Without it things get really problematic. Realism I'd a plus but I guess I do want a show that's consistent, grounded and realistic.

 

[Kokurokoki]

That's a really harsh criticism since while I have some idea where I want this thread to go I don't have a total picture.

Consistent world building and story tone is something that I believe should be mandatory in writing. Without it things get really problematic. Realism I'd a plus but I guess I do want a show that's consistent, grounded and realistic.

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You don't need to be "grounded" or "realistic". Your story and world only really needs to be internally consistent. You cannot expect an author, or even a team of authors to cover every aspect of the worldbuilding simply because the story may not focus on it and thus it would be irrelevant and a waste of time outside of worldbuilding for side/fan material.

My Hero Academia for example, is not grounded or realistic. You essentially have a massive outbreak of mutants with fantastical powers. One of the characters can essentially use his own shadow to attack people, and it also has a personality of its own and can move independently of the character. Another can become intangible and another is straight up invisible, both of which straight up violate the laws of physics. All Might and Deku, the titular characters, can flex their muscles so hard that it creates waves of air pressure equal to that of category 5 hurricanes that can rip concrete from streets. However for the most part the story is internally consistent with itself. The world makes sense in tandem with the plot, and despite the fact that we have people with powers that let them do things like fly and create stuff like cannons from their body fat, it's still an incredibly good story with solid worldbuilding.

Dungeons and Dragons as another example has a whole slew of stuff in it ranging from magic to alternate dimensions and cthulu monsters. However all of that is kept internally consistent in the official materials which allows them to create a massive world that hundreds of thousands of players and millions of characters have had countless adventures in.

In the case of RWBY, having airships is not really all that unrealistic nor internally inconsistent. We know that dust can be used for a variety of things ranging from explosives to semblance enhancements. There is likely dust that allows for air manipulation, which would allow them to create airships far sooner than their technological level may imply.

However, what isn't internally consistent--as others have pointed out earlier in the thread--is the whole Faunus debacle. We don't really see any of this supposed oppression and racism that Blake talks about. We're explicitly told but not shown. In this case the work is not really consistent.

 

[Gh055twr1t3r]

He calls Weiss an Ice Queen for rejecting his advances, making him all the more a creepy guy.

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Everyone calls her Ice Queen though. I'm 90% sure that's a comic gag.

Which means this assshat of a human being, likely bumped off a student

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Ozpin would be responsible for that student getting bumped off. Unless Jaune is suddenly super competent at forging transcripts I'm assuming that Ozpin knew and let him in anyway.

I don't think that all of that marks him as a shitty human being. Irresponsible and idiotic? Definitely, but Jaune improves as the show goes on and while he isn't on the level of everyone else as of the current season he's definitely capable of fighting.

However, what isn't internally consistent--as others have pointed out earlier in the thread--is the whole Faunus debacle. We don't really see any of this supposed oppression and racism that Blake talks about. We're explicitly told but not shown. In this case the work is not really consistent.

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We get shown some things. Velvet getting bullied, the no faunus sign in Volume 5, the Schnee company exploiting Faunus labor and that's about it. The issue here is we have very very few instances spread out across five Volumes. With the White Fang taking up a lot of screentime, it comes off as incomplete and bare bones. Like I said, the end of Beacon should have been at the end of Volume 5 while they set everything up properly beforehand.

I'd suggest everyone just start by reading that thread while completely ignoring everything by the OP. It would help a lot. There's a lot of good stuff by very clever people in there. It's certainly better than this shitshow.

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I read the first few pages of that back when it was first started...its over 30 pages now. Huh. I'll post something there later today probably.

 

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I'd suggest everyone just start by reading that thread while completely ignoring everything by the OP. It would help a lot. There's a lot of good stuff by very clever people in there. It's certainly better than this shitshow.

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Here I was, thinking of better ways to improve how RWBY handles a fairly sensitive topic, but apparently it was all a "shitshow." How nice.