The rest of the world building around that is pretty shit though, because there are a bunch of nonsense changes and things that should have changed due to the other divergences but didn't, so it's not really better outside of using the core change in the story better.

Odds are pretty good someone on the art team thought Conquistadors had a better look than English settlers would, more distinctive look and such, which is the same kind of decision making as went into a lot of Code Geass's world building and narrative structure.

Sure, but good or bad, it's consistent. It's stable.

Disney, on the other hand, will just constantly throw shit out with no consideration and no connection to anything else, is the issue. So the only thing Disney does consistently is be mediocre at best.
 
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Disney, on the other hand, will just constantly throw shit out with no consideration and no connection to anything else, is the issue. So the only thing Disney does consistently is be mediocre at best.
The executives demand that a product be made, the ones tasked with making it don't get a say beyond trying to make it work, and if they complain they can be replaced to appease the demands, even if it results in worse products that make less money and cost more due to all that bullshit. It's part of why a lot of writers and actors went on strike last year.
 
Odds are pretty good someone on the art team thought Conquistadors had a better look than English settlers would, more distinctive look and such

My bet is its actually because there's a pretty famous example of a Conquistador wandering around North America looking for the fountain of youth, so they decided to go with "that, but several hundred miles further north"
 
It also could be that they thought that their mostly-American audience might be offended by seeing English settlers (who they still think of as the progenitors of their own nation) as the villains. Using conquistadors lets them foist the sins of American colonialism off on someone else. That would be the kind of milquestoast politics that I would expect from the company that made Pocahontas. The fact that they were willing to tell a story from the perspective of Native Americans heroically resisting European colonialism at all is honestly pretty daring by Disney's standards.

A better question than "why the Spanish and not the English?" might be "why the Mohawk and not people from areas the Spanish colonized?" It might just be that Mohawk cultural experts were available, while cultures from further south weren't.
 
It also could be that they thought that their mostly-American audience might be offended by seeing English settlers (who they still think of as the progenitors of their own nation) as the villains. Using conquistadors lets them foist the sins of American colonialism off on someone else. That would be the kind of milquestoast politics that I would expect from the company that made Pocahontas. The fact that they were willing to tell a story from the perspective of Native Americans heroically resisting European colonialism at all is honestly pretty daring by Disney's standards.

A better question than "why the Spanish and not the English?" might be "why the Mohawk and not people from areas the Spanish colonized?" It might just be that Mohawk cultural experts were available, while cultures from further south weren't.

Optimistically, they want to draw on the politici-cultural legacy of the Haudenosaunee in future showings of Kahhori.

Also known as the, one of the writers read Dawn of Everything hypothesis :V

Of course they could have done much the same thing using a republican Mayan city-state as the setting.
 
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A better question than "why the Spanish and not the English?" might be "why the Mohawk and not people from areas the Spanish colonized?" It might just be that Mohawk cultural experts were available, while cultures from further south weren't.

The below article mentioned the writers wanted to do a story centered on a Mohawk Nation protagonist because they were both from an area that was once controlled by the Haudenosaunee. This seems like a classic case of personal interests overriding solid world-building. It would take massive changes to have the Spanish be the first Europeans to encounter the Haudenosaunee especially if this is all taking place before the Spanish had firmly established their empire in South America and the Caribbean at the expense of the native people. The inspiring ending of Kahhori preemptively stopping Spanish colonialism would be severely undermined if the story takes place after the Spanish have already committed their most grievous evils.
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I appreciate this choice of origin for Kahhori as the Haudenosaunee had a fascinating civilization that doesn't get nearly enough attention in popular culture or fiction. It would be great to see Marvel pursue a story centered on them fighting off colonialism (either human or supernatural) and becoming the dominant power of North America.
 
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They heard about from other natives they interacted with.

Also there's nothing to say that in this universe, Columbus didn't just land further north, pushing the locus of the Spanish empire into North america
I guess don't really solve my issue with the ending though
A better question than "why the Spanish and not the English?" might be "why the Mohawk and not people from areas the Spanish colonized?" It might just be that Mohawk cultural experts were available, while cultures from further south weren't.
I'm going to be real with you. That is ridiculous.
Because 1. I am from one of said areas and they very much exist
2. Unless it's in its own branch marvel studios is in one of said areas also
 
Oh no it had nothing to do with strange.

Was make "peace" with us or we'll kill you
It was supposed to, that's why they had Strange call her out on it.

Realistically? Kahhori's superpowered ultimatum would have driven the rest of the world to focus on the Supernatural. And unlike in real life, there's actually things to find there. So say hello to the new Super Power arms race Kahhori just kicked off.

Mind, there's also the unanswered question of why the Sorcerer's just left the broken Tesseract at the bottom of that lake given securing that sort of thing is a big part of their jobs.
 
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I guess all the 2 Red Guardian ones are from the 80's Avengers follow-up, No idea what could be the reason for the Mecha, though we are getting post 2018 characters. I heard the suggestion these were made by Tony Stark to fight Sutur, which I can believe.
 
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Also, I finally watched season 2 after almost a year. I was at first waiting for all episodes to be out, but then I kinda forgot. Overall I liked it a lot! The last episodes of season 1 I didn't like very much because I wanted the show to keep being an anthology instead of making an unified story, but at least this time the finale felt a lot more personal.

Some thoughts (unmarked spoilers ahead):

Episode 1 - The idea and setting were pretty cool, a Nova Nebula playing noir cop in a cyberpunkesque Xandar that shielded itself from the outside universe to avoid a war, only to stumble on a murder investigation turned conspiracy to reopen the shield. Unfortunately, the execution was really uneven, because we are given very little suspects for this supposed noir mystery, so it was more or less obvious what was going on. A shame, as I said, the premise is cool, it should have been allowed to cook longer. Howard was funny tho. 6/10

Episode 2 - Very fun and entertaining episode. Unlike season 1 which at times felt like it took from a very small pool of characters, here we get a new Avengers team in the 80s made up of supporting/side characters of the canon Avengers (aside from Thor), and it makes for a fun team composition, as was making Ego the Loki getting it started and Peggy and Howard Stark the Nick Furys. Peter Quill and Hope interacting as kids is something I would never think of, and they were pretty cute. Gorbachev sending the Winter Soldier instead of the Red Guardian is a bit weird (if it were me, RG would have been sent as the official help, but WS is secretly sent as well to take care of things behind the scenes if the team fails), but it worked for his emotional arc so I do not mind much. And that one is just for me, but I'm glad at the indirect reference to King Azzuri being real in the MCU (aside from an unused mention in the Wakanda Forever script). 9/10

Episode 3 - A funny Christmas episode, which apparently introduced the Freak, a thing from the comics that Happy Hogan transforms into that I was not aware of before looking it up. It's a delightful, low-stakes Die Hard parody, in a timeline barely different than the Sacred Timeline, so it served its role well. The atmosphere of the episode was very funny to me because it was extremely similar to the tone of MCU fics circa the first Avengers (and some up to Age of Ultron): where people interpreted the Avengers as much closer than they are in reality, like a found family, instead of the pretty much coworkers the movies usually go for (aside from Clint & Natasha and Tony & Bruce)*, so a lot of fics wrote them all living in the Avengers Tower and acting pretty much like the X-Men. This episode feels like that, not only with the Avengers doing small side trips for Christmas and organizing a party, but also the presence of Darcy Lewis, a Ao3 fanfic favorite, as Happy's intern. This made the episode even funnier. 8/10

Episode 4 - The episode that was supposed to have been in season 1 to introduce AU Gamora, but was moved to later because of COVID I believe. What I like about WI this season is how the point-of-divergence is usually very simple but make a lot of sense to spiral into a completely premise. Tony not entering the portal in time just makes a lot of sense when he was also a hair's breadth from missing it in canon. Anyway, another fun one, this time a Planet Iron Man story. The Grandmaster by himself makes the episode fun, but Tony too having to act as the straight man to a planet of weirdos for once makes the dialogue witty and snappy. The idea of a race instead of gladiatoral combat makes sense since the Romans themselves didn't just have gladiators in the Colosseum, but chariot races as well, so I could definitely see the Grandmaster having varied forms of entertainment instead of just fights to the death so he doesn't get bored (makes me wonder if like the Romans he also simulates naval battles, or maybe an upgraded version that simulates space battles...). Gamora is a bit of a letdown for a character this episode is supposed to build up tho. 7/10

Episode 5 - A follow-up to her cliffhanger last season, Captain Carter and the Winter Soldier was also good fun, any episode with Captain Carter are great. We see more of her friendship with Natasha, and they have great chemistry, I may even be so bold as to say it is greater than Steve and Natasha (tbf the circumstances meant he couldn't trust her, whereas here Iron Steve is not accompanied with a HYDRA conspiracy). And I would also not be surprised people ship them either, the chemistry is too good. But the heart of the episode is Peggy and Steve reuniting, and they are extremely cute and touching together. I usually find it funny that the MCU doesn't have enough fictional countries for stuff to happen in, so it usually resorts to Sokovia (Justin Hammer in the Christmas episode randomly saying "I should have gone for the Sokovian team" made me snort, like why is Sokovia implied to have expert mercenaries now lol) or Wakanda for even the most random things (and Madripoor as well now I guess), but an abandoned experimental city in Sokovia makes sense here since it was a Soviet experiment and Sokovia is a post-Soviet country. It was also great seeing Melina more villainous here than in Black Widow and thus making her fight her "daughter" a cool thematic dynamic (kinda sad Yelena wasn't there, but oh well). Peggy and Steven getting separated again was heartbreaking (it is interesting that their relationship here mixes Steve seeing Peggy as the one that got away and Bucky, his last remaining link to the past, also disappearing at the end of WS), but I have no fear that they will find each other again. 9/10

Episode 6 - The second MCU foray into having a Native American protag in a Native American context and setting (or well, first, but I watched Echo before it), when I heard about the episode's concept last year, I was wondering how it was going to be an AU when it seemed to mostly be its own self-contained thing. So I didn't expect the Lake Space Stone as a result of an early Ragnarök, but that was well-thought. The story is fairly simple, but it's not a bad thing. The Sky World is just cool and pretty to look at, which makes Kahhori's motivation being "this may be paradise, but it isn't one for me if my brother is dead/not with me" much stronger when she could really have just stayed there and given up. Ahtaraks is really funny, and I like the dynamic with Kahhori, even if they only imply they may view each other romantically. The Spanish conquistadors are fun antagonists, even if their presence this far north is puzzling: I concluded they just didn't want to portray English colonists badly and conquistadors are easy targets, but on the other hand, there are ways to justify it, like these Pre-Columbian transoceanic contact theories:
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Some have conjectured that Columbus was able to persuade the Catholic Monarchs of Castile and Aragon to support his planned voyage only because they were aware of some recent earlier voyage across the Atlantic. Some suggest that Columbus himself visited Canada or Greenland before 1492, because according to Bartolomé de las Casas he wrote he had sailed 100 leagues past an island he called Thule in 1477. Whether Columbus actually did this and what island he visited, if any, is uncertain. Columbus is thought to have visited Bristol in 1476.[140] Bristol was also the port from which John Cabot sailed in 1497, crewed mostly by Bristol sailors. In a letter of late 1497 or early 1498, the English merchant John Day wrote to Columbus about Cabot's discoveries, saying that land found by Cabot was "discovered in the past by the men from Bristol who found 'Brasil' as your lordship knows".[141] There may be records of expeditions from Bristol to find the "isle of Brazil" in 1480 and 1481.[142] Trade between Bristol and Iceland is well documented from the mid-15th century.

Gonzalo Fernández de Oviedo y Valdés records several such legends in his Historia general de las Indias of 1526, which includes biographical information on Columbus. He discusses the then-current story of a Spanish caravel that was swept off its course while on its way to England, and wound up in a foreign land populated by naked tribesmen. The crew gathered supplies and made its way back to Europe, but the trip took several months and the captain and most of the men died before reaching land. The caravel's ship pilot, a man called Alonso Sánchez, and a few others made it to Portugal, but all were very ill. Columbus was a good friend of the pilot, and took him to be treated in his own house, and the pilot described the land they had seen and marked it on a map before dying. People in Oviedo's time knew this story in several versions, though Oviedo himself regarded it as a myth.[143]

In 1925, Soren Larsen wrote a book claiming that a joint Danish-Portuguese expedition landed in Newfoundland or Labrador in 1473 and again in 1476. Larsen claimed that Didrik Pining and Hans Pothorst served as captains, while João Vaz Corte-Real and the possibly mythical John Scolvus served as navigators, accompanied by Álvaro Martins.[144] Nothing beyond circumstantial evidence has been found to support Larsen's claims.[145]

The historical record shows that Basque fishermen were present in Newfoundland and Labrador from at least 1517 onward (therefore predating all recorded European settlements in the region except those of the Norse). The Basques' fishing expeditions led to significant trade and cultural exchanges with Native Americans. A fringe theory suggests that Basque sailors first arrived in North America prior to Columbus' voyages to the New World (some sources suggest the late 14th century as a tentative date) but kept the destination a secret in order to avoid competition over the fishing resources of the North American coasts. There is no historical or archaeological evidence to support this claim.
There are plenty of ways to justify or handwave it away. I can see the natives, thanks to the extensive trade network of Precolumbian America and word-of-mouth, hearing of the war the Haudenosaunee waged over the magical lake and when they relay the information to the Spanish, Bimini doesn't likely mean the Mayan lands confused for the Bahamas, but clearly a real place further north. In any case, the Spanish makes for great villains, and the commander was pretty good as an antagonist, he did not hesitate at all to find a way to deal with a superhuman girl by switching tactics, and even when he gets trampled he tries one last time to take her down. And villainess Isabella of Castile was hilariously hammy (where was King Ferdinand?). And it's just nice to see Native Americans able to beat off colonialism in a similar way Wakanda did. Kinda disappointed it wasn't used as the origin point for the 1602 episode, but for a brand new character and origin story, it was well done. 7/10

Episode 7 - This one is extremely memorable for having the absolutely cracked ship of Hela and Wenwu, and it somehow works really well. Wenwu's type really is "woman who can beat my ass and could kill me". Making Hela a protagonist was also hella (ha!) interesting, because while she is formidable in Ragnarök, she is mostly just a smug bloodthirsty tyrant there, and what she represented (Asgardian imperialism) was far more interesting than the character itself to me, if that makes sense. But stripped of her powers and humbled down to literal earth, it is fun to see other aspects of her personality, from her dry humor to her aimless sense of purpose being solely defined by war. She also just plain funny. And I'm always up for seeing hypocritical Odin getting his just dessert. Also, glad to get explicit confirmation that Frigga really is her stepmom (Thor calls her half-sister in IW, true, but I never understood where he learned that information). 8/10

Episode 8 - The adaptation of Marvel 1602. Less of an alternate timeline and more a strange temporal singularity (a prelude to what will happen in Secret Wars?), another episode made good from the start by featuring Captain Carter, and her being able to see and hear Uatu made it stand out. And once again her and Steve being sickeningly cute in every universe is my drug. Everyone affecting weird Shakespearian behavior was fun, like Loki explaining Iago is the true protagonist of Othello, or Hulk in the final battle hilariously punctuating his screams with "thee" and "thy". Although there were some missing characters unfortunately, but you can chalk that up to people being taken by the rifts. Speaking of, shoutout to 1602 Wanda, who was a real MVP holding back a rift all on her own during a chaotic battle and managing to help the heroes too at the last moment while she was at it. And unlike the first episode, I liked that this one felt like a proper mystery, I legit didn't know who would be the Forerunner because I assumed Peggy was already filling the role Steve Rogers had in the original comic, so my guess was either Thor or Dr. Strange. The reveal of the POD is once again a POD that makes a lot of sense. And man, the bitter note of the separation really hit. 8/10

Episode 9 - A much better finale than the first season's I think since it wasn't so over-the-top, but while the setup of the reveal was done well, I am annoyed that Strange Supreme regressed in his character to be the final villain, especially when we saw the warm friendship between him and Peggy. Nothing much to say, since the episode was mainly two chases and then a big brawl (kinda funny to see our two heroines get lots of hig level equipments to fight the final boss like they are RPG protagonists). Seeing Kahhori outside of her original context gave more layers to her and it's cool to see how much she grew into her power. Was an appropriate and touching ending for Strange after all he went through. And nice to see Loki's multiverse tree at the end, answering some but not all questions about how the show exists and Uatu's existence, which I assume they will get into in season 3. 7/10
 
Hulk fought Mecha Avengers
Fairly solid Godzilla homage, basically.
Agatha Went to Hollywood
Nice to see Howard Stark again....
What If Red Guardian stopped Winter Soldier?
Ok, that was damn funny.
 
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Watching all three seasons, I've sort of mentally categorized the universes shown in What If in three categories (leaving aside the Larger Plot episodes, which are their own things).

First you have the "Reasonable AUs". They have very realistic points of divergence that really were moments that could have gone another way, and what follows is usually a pretty good estimation of what would happen afterward. Captain Carter 1 and 2, the Avengers' serial murder, Sinister Strange, Killmonger saving Tony, Ultron's victory, the 80s Avengers, Iron Man on Sakaar, Hela and the 10 Rings, and the Red Guardian/Winter Soldier road trip are the ones fitting well this category. Many of them devolve into very interesting timelines based on only a few changes, and they usually take full advantage of characters that were in the right place and the right time to get involved, leading to new dynamics. Killmonger and Iron Man as well as the 80s Avengers and the Soviet road trip are the ones that come to mind especially, getting characters who never interacted meeting and being in a story together in a way that feels very natural and organic.

Some can be a bit boring as a result, like how I think the world of Captain Carter replays the events of Captain America but with different players a bit too straight, but they usually tend to rank among my favorite episodes.

Then you have the "Whole New World AUs". The best way I can describe them is that they are usually in service of a specific story they wanted to tell, and then working backwards to get it, rather than organically unfolding from one point-of-divergence and exploring the possibilities. The PODs can be reasonable or very random, but it tends to always lead to a full, completely different AUs that nothing in the POD would indicate would be the result. Here I put the Zombies, Nova Corps Nebula, Kahhori, Mecha Avengers, and the recent Emergence episode (I would put 1602 as well but it's one of the Larger Plot episode). They wanted a zombie setting, so a "quantum virus" comes out of the Quantum Realm to make people into zombies. Why the Quantum Realm? How does the virus work? Why zombies and not any other effect? Is the Quantum Realm ever mentioned after the origin point? No answer to any of these questions, the story is now about a zombie outbreak and how it started doesn't really matter. Nova Corps Nebula has a somewhat decent starting point, even if it could have been any other groups Nebula ends up joining and nothing about Nova in particular in regards to Nebula, but then the war with Ronan and shutting the planet behind a shield is almost unrelated to Nebula, it is all in the service of having a cyberpunk noir story. Kahhori starts with Ragnarök starting early for unclear reasons, and then this POD does not matter to this world created by the Tesseract and the story featuring no familiar characters. Mecha Avengers has a weird unexplainable POD that is really just there so you have mechas fight kaijus. And the Emergence is more of a framing device to start with a story in a cool destroyed Earth as the setting, none of the Eternals or Celestial feature and the conflict is about something else entirely.

These can be hit-or-miss, as I usually like AUs because of the starting point, and these stories rely on their worlds being compelling and cool enough to make me ignore their Alien Space Bat origins, and that's a gamble. I genuinely do not care about Marvel Zombies, and Nova Corps Nebula had a solid idea that I feel they failed to use to its full potential. Mecha Avengers had fun fights but I didn't really get attached to the cast (what a waste of Moon Knight and Shang-Chi as Avengers). However, Kahhori and Emergence were very interesting worlds to me, so I could forgive the PODs. I predict that 1872 is probably going to be one of those.

And finally you have the "Silly AUs". The point-of-divergence may be reasonable, and it often is pretty mundane and realistic, but it's all in service of creating fun and hilarious stories and worlds where characters are in utterly bizarre situations and may act extremely OOC, and most of the times featuring secondary or tertiary characters. That's Star Lord T'challa, Party Frat Bro Thor (and its sequel Howard x Darcy), Happy Hogan Saving Christmas, and Agatha in Hollywood. Everything is super weird, but it's all in service of very good fun and (usually) low stakes. I have a lot of fun with them, especially if they manage to tell a compelling story as well.

This is all to say that I enjoyed the "silly" episodes "Agatha in Hollywood" and "Howard the Duck x Darcy Lewis" much more than I thought. They even managed to give these silly scenarios actual heart, pretty impressive.

That's my half-season review for now, I will do as I did for season 2 and actually review episodes individually and give them scores once the season is fully out.
 
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Well, the Marvel Zombies comic was similarly random, as a character from a zombie infected universe just showed up and started infecting people. So... techincally What If was about as well explained.
 
Well, the Marvel Zombies comic was similarly random, as a character from a zombie infected universe just showed up and started infecting people. So... techincally What If was about as well explained.
Was that the in universe explaination? I remember Marvel Zombies coming out of a fairly hype at the time Ultimate Fantastic Four storyline where the audience was lead to believe Reed from 616 universe was contacting Ultimate Reed and giving him advice to make a bridge between their universes, which again people were hype for a crossover. Then it turned out he was Zombie Reed tricking Ultimate Reed into giving him access to a new world of fresh brain meats and that plot twist was wildly popular because Zombies were very big at the time so we got a bunch of spin off mini series.
 
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Hulk fought Mecha Avengers
Fairly solid Godzilla homage, basically.
I don't really see the similarity with Godzilla, tbh. It's closer to Pacific rim.

Anyway, would it kill them to actually give the supposedly sympathetic villain an actually convincing argument sometime?

Actually, thinking about it, maybe not . We've seen what that did with something as stupid as Thanos's argument.
 
This season is pretty bland so far, tbh. Nothing has stood out to me as particularly good or interesting; even the straight comedy episodes are more amusing than actually funny.

Also, the show really loves continuing the movies' trend of making their villains killpeopleists, huh? Even the ones that are supposed to be somewhat sympathetic inevitably end up being portrayed as Totally Evil People Who Must be Stopped.

Also also, the 1872 episode raised a lot of awkward questions like: Did the civil war happen? Which side did Tony Stark and Justin Hammer sell to? Where was Captain America when Lincoln was shot? Did the Hulk stay neutral during the war?
 
I must say, I find this complaint in the last posts weird, as if What If? had been doing this continuously. You can count the "sympathetic villains/with sympathetic motives" on two hands even: Serial Killer Hank Pym, Strange Supreme, Killmonger, Ego Quill, Hydra Stomper, Movie Star Agatha, and the Hood. Of them all, only Killmonger and the Hood fit the complaint people mean when they say this, basically "victim of injustice goes too far as a solution to its reasonable point". Everyone else is acting on grief or brainwashed or for selfish self-preservation against a bigger enemy.

It's hard to take seriously as a trend What If? supposedly engage in, especially when you have Kahhori right there who beats the shit out of the European Age of Discovery and she is treated as no less than heroic for it.

This does not mean that I think 1872 did it well, I don't think it did (Revisionist Western is an old genre, yet the episode is really clumsy with it), but I don't think it's fair to paint it as something What If? always does. Even in the larger MCU last time it did this was with Karli and the Flag Smashers, more recent entries handled this better: both Namor and Dar-Benn were not only shown to be correct, but also allowed to survive their movies, while the final antagonist in Ms. Marvel was not her people, but Damage Control engaging in Islamophobia and trying to arrest her.

Well, the Marvel Zombies comic was similarly random, as a character from a zombie infected universe just showed up and started infecting people. So... techincally What If was about as well explained.
Weirder. It started with the Sentry being infected by an unknown alien virus, and then it was revealed to be a time loop set up by the Watcher to prevent the virus from spreading to the rest of the Multiverse, with Sentry the last zombie after the rest had been killed sent back in time to when the series begin.
 
So now that the season is over, what is my final verdict?

Meh.

There is always my recurring criticism every season that I would have preferred for What If to stay an anthology series than wield together the various stories into a larger arc, but that's nothing new. The third season was weaker than the others IMO for a number of reasons. One being that it was shorter. Of one episode, yes, but the short runtime really makes itself known when 2 episodes are the finale, so it's really six episodes of actual What If stories.

Two, this season, more than any of the others, weirdly felt like an advertisement for upcoming things rather than stories on their own. Season 2 dipped into more material of Phase 3 and some of Phase 4, but this season had a lot of Phase 4/5 characters that felt little more than tacked on: why include Black Widow's parents, Shang-Chi, Black Panther Shuri, and Moon Knight in the Mecha Avengers otherwise if they weren't given much material to work with? The composition of the team including Captain America Sam Wilson and Monica Rambeau also felt deliberate, like reminding us that Cap 4 is upcoming and his story will also involve a Hulk. Why Agatha and one Eternal of all things if it's not to remind us of the Tiamut plot point, as does a later episode, as that's going to be relevant in Cap 4, while also taking advantage of the recent release of the Agatha TV show? Why have Riri as a pretty random protag for the Emergence episode, if not to remind us of the upcoming Ironheart show, hence why this episode really awkwardly does not name any of the people Riri lost since this supporting cast of family and friends will presumably be introduced in her actual show? Why have the Hood be the villain of 1872 instead of Shang-Chi's actual antagonists from his movie, if it isn't to familiarize us with it when it's gonna be the antagonist in Ironheart? Even the Red Guardian/Winter Soldier episode, which I liked a lot, felt a bit like a preview of Thunderbolts.

It sounds paranoid, but once you notice it, it starts to bothers you. It made me wonder if they truly had a story to tell, or if they were told they needed to make some characters or plot points prominent in watchers' minds.

Last is a trend I noticed, but as WI went on, it seemed less and less willing to make more dystopian or outright bad end timelines. Season 1 had bittersweet or even outright downer endings in Death of the Mightiest Heroes, Strange Losing His Heart, Zombies, Killmonger Saving Tony, and Ultron Victory. Season 2 had way less, only Hydra Stomper and 1602 were really bittersweet (leaving aside the finale), but the season as a whole was at least entertaining so I didn't mind. Season 3 however was less enjoyable, so the lack of truly *bad* endings for characters stand out more because they would be more interesting than some of the conclusions chosen. And I'm not a guy who thinks being edgy/dark/depressing automatically makes for a better ending, but I am someone who would have loved far more diversity of outcomes for a show supposedly about a multitude of different paths.

Anyway, for all my complaints, I roll my eyes at some of the commentary I see online, especially people who argued the designs shown in the credits of the finale held far more potential than the entire show, and that's delusional. Most of the designs were the flavor of "what if X character was Y", and nothing about such a simple swap guarantees a good story. People yapped too much because they didn't like the season, and for many of them didn't like the show in the first place, so their opinions are almost worthless to me.

Now for the episodes themselves, some thoughts (unmarked spoilers ahead):

"What If... The Hulk Fought the Mech Avengers?" - This one reminds me of Nova Corps Nebula last season, also its season's first episode, in all the issues I have with it. It's a solid idea to explore the genre of mechas and kaijus in the MCU, like their version of Pacific Rim, so I found the starting pitch interesting even if the POD made little sense to me (Banner think more gamma radiation will cure him? it creates a separate monster from him? come on). But, like Nova Corps Nebula, it didn't live up to those expectations. The central core is supposed to be this new friendship between Sam and Bruce, and I just couldn't buy it. I've watched the Twisted Metal show, Anthony Mackie could have chemistry with a rock, heck his and Sebastian Stan's was one of the only redeemable aspect of The Falcon & The Winter Soldier, but somehow him and Mark Ruffalo didn't click. I feel like it's on Ruffalo, his line delivery was really weak. Anyway, the central friendship fell flat, so the emotional resolution unfortunately did nothing for me. As I mentioned previously, this episode has a lot of new characters in the Avengers, but they barely have dialogue and contribute nothing to the plot save Monica and Bucky, so that was a waste. As for the main course, mechas vs. kaijus, I would have liked to see more of the individual mechas' capabilities before the fusion, it would give the other Avengers something to do and show interesting use of their robots where they channel their pilots' powers. As it is, while the final battle was fine, it wasn't as cool as it could have been. Kaiju movies understand the destruction of recognizable landmarks is a big appeal, so it was disappointing seeing them fight in no name abandoned city. So yeah, a disappointment of a fun concept.
5/10

"What If... Agatha Went to Hollywood?" - Had no idea where this would go based on the title alone, so I was pleasantly surprised. A Hollywood-Bollywood collab movie actually being a secret ritual to absorb the energy of a slumbering baby Celestial? Bonkers enough to be absurd yet easy to follow. The fact that t involves three bombastic and funny MCU characters (Agatha, Kingo, Howard Stark) bouncing off each other really made for a fun time, as well as Jarvis acting as the straight man for them all. If there is something I would criticize, it's Agatha's OOCness: after her show took great pains to show that, despite everything, she is fundamentally an awful person, having her spare the Eternals after taking their power and even back down after a speech from Kingo felt really weird. I understand that Kingo foreshadowed it and that it is reasonable that Agatha made movies her new passion after using it for so long to prep her plan, but it still didn't sit fully right with me so I'm taking points from that. Still, very fun episode.
7/10

"What If... The Red Guardian Stopped the Winter Soldier?" - My favorite this season, and that's all due to its simplicity I think. It had a very simple story to tell, so there was very little chance to bungle it: The Red Guardian stops Bucky from killing the Starks, they end up on the run as an unlikely buddy cop duo as they try to find a way to extract to Russia, with Goliath hot on their heels. Not only was it straightfoward enough to be impossible to fuck up, the chemistry between jolly Alexei and stoic Bucky was really entertaining, and Alexei of all people acting as an emotional core to allow Bucky to go against his programming and remember some of his past life made it touching as well, I could completely buy their unlikely friendship by the end. If I had one, tiny minor complaint, it's kind of weird to see Tony and Natasha at the Battle of New York at the end considering all the changes this episode brought to their backstories, but oh well.
9/10

"What If... Howard the Duck Got Hitched?" - I've seen people online hate on this episode since we learned the name and its concept, which baffles me when it's clearly a joke premise, and watching the episode cemented that. It's mainly a comedic episode about a human woman somehow laying an egg from having had intercourse with an alien duck, and that egg somehow ending up the single most important object in the universe. It's just a fun ride, and Darcy and Howard as the somewhat cringey parents in over-their-heads to protect their cosmically important baby reminded me of a more comedic Saga. They even got to have an actually emotional moment when both characters think they are going to die, and they just quietly hug their egg, which I admit made me feel something, so it won me over even more. I was aware Natasha Lyonne was in this season playing a new character only known as "Byrdie" (because I had looked up that she is gonna be in Fantastic Four, presumably not playing Byrdie again), but I did not realize it was her origin story until the very end lol. Disappointed in the lack of Thor though.
7/10

"What If... The Emergence Destroyed the Earth?" - I really had no idea where thus one would go beyond what you can guess. In fact, I thought them bringing Kingo in episode 2 meant we would see all of the other Eternals for this episode, but no. So I am torn: because on one hand, the setting's vibes are immaculate and it was a shocking, but pleasant surprise. The floating ruins of the planet, a fascist federation propped up by robots, nanites, and illusions, a rebel base in the Titanic, a villain base on a farm-like asteroid in the Asteroid Belt, etc., all of this made for a really cool looking world. But on the other hand was the story. A lot of my issues revolves around Riri: as a protag, she's unexpected but fine, but as I said earlier, they hampered her a lot by keeping any backstory she could have had completely unmentioned. Characters and Uatu both talks about how she lost a lot, but we don't know who she lost: no mention of family members or friends, so it might as well be numbers on a spreadsheet for all the emotonial impact these mentions have. The other issue with Riri was the constant death flags mentions. The idea of her being doomed in every variations of that timeline was sound, but Uatu said it so often and so much it lost all impact. "She's gonna die, she's gonna die after this, this is what leads to her death, she will absolutely die trust me", shut up. I knew she wasn't gonna die, the constant reminders not only made it really obvious, they also were extremely obnoxious, so I was annoyed the whole time at a plot element I couldn't buy and just waited until the really obvious conclusion. There are other cool story elements, but this aspect of the story seriously dragged it down, taking me out of the story entirely. White Vision being the invincible advancing obstacle who just massacre any opposition was great but he was dispatched too early unfortunately, had he survived longer I would have given a higher score. As it was, solid concept and story led down by bizarre writing decisions.
6/10

"What If... 1872?" - The premise of an Asian hero in the Wild West is inherently interesting, as is most Westerns not featuring a white man as the protag. It reminded me a bit of the premise of Shanghai Noon, or the French comic Chinaman (yes that is the title, and yes it has an in-story justification based on racism towards the character, but no I don't know if that redeems it). I thought it was overall OK, with some good concepts, like the "ten rings" of the bell, the ghost train being revealed to be advanced maglev tech or the villain's sympathetic motivations, but there were some things that didn't click with me. For one, I could guess the Hood's from a mile away, they should have done more work to build it up. Two is how many random characters there were with little link to their canon MCU self: why an Old West version of John Walker? Why bring back that extremely minor Ant-Man 2 villain? Why Kate Bishop at all? And it's the last one I kept scratching my head at. I like Kate Bishop, and I like her as a sharpshooter, but never once did her and Shang-Chi seem to have much chemistry or reason to have partnered up, so her inclusion seemed really random (was it simply a pun based on his canon friend being named Kate and also an archer?). I would have also loved her properly teling the story of her motivation for revenge, instead of breathlessly saying "justlikehowtheyburneddownmyfamilyhome" in one line randomly trauma dumping her backstory. The kid was alright, I suppose, but the instant Kate said he had "iron fists", I groaned out loud and looked it up, and, sure enough, Kwai Jun-Fan is a canonical Iron Fist, from the 19th century even. I assume he is another advertisement for future projects since I know Eyes of Wakanda will feature a Iron Fist, and I would bet it is him. Finally, I feel like the conclusion should have been more bittersweet, like Shang-Chi understanding why Kate shot and that the Hood took his sister long ago, but still finding it difficult to be near her so they should go their separate ways for a while. As it was, Shang-Chi easily forgiving his friend shooting his sister dead felt really jarring. I don't know, the whole episode felt like it lacked some sauce, I think among other things we should have had a campfire break scene where they talk about their motivations/backstories, more scenes to show/develop a chemistry between the leads, more build-up to the Hood and their motives, as well as at least one scene in an actual lived-in town instead of abandoned locations and the train. More Old West tropes and vistas as well as more compelling character writing.
6/10

"What If... The Watcher Disappeared?" / "What If... What If?" - Nothing much to say except that I did not care one whit for most of this. At least the other finales showed returning characters from the episode and Season 2's finale, despite my issue with regressing Strange, had an emotional component in his going off the deep end. Here, though, I struggled to care about anything that was happening even before the cosmic beings reduced to a slugfest on an abandoned planet (is that where the fight budget went instead of the other episodes?). Positives first: Byrdie and Ororo Odinsdottir were fine additions to the cast, even if an episode to how Storm got Mjölnir would have been much more interesting. Infinity Ultron being sought out as an ally and him having realized he was wrong was a good character beat. What else...I liked their ship? The implication that Captain Carter also picked up her old comrades at one point was cute. And The Exiles is a cool team name. And that's about it. Uatu is only interesting when Carter snarks with him, otherwise I find his speeches kinda corny and didn't really care about his fate. The Exiles gaining Watcher powers from...somewhere (any appearance from Multiversal Yggdrasil Loki, even if he could not actively interfere, to help the heroes would have at least redeemed the episodes a bit) was like OK, and the slugfest was fairly unimaginative for cosmic beings aside from turning giants at some point and one Watcher creating a black hole in his mouth. I expected their fights to throw characters across universes like that one Multiverse of Madness sequence. Finally, the ending left a bitter taste in my mouth. Instead of following on the plot threads left behind in Carter's homeworld, she gallivanted across the multiverse for ??? reasons and then has to die to solve the plot, What a boring and infuriating decision, bleh.
3/10

And that's What If over with. I would personally kept it going until the end of the Multiverse Saga to coincide with a new era, but whatever.
 
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