Warhammer Fantasy: Norsca United! (CK2)

Yeah I'd say we try not to get into other people's stuff and make them change their ways. No one really trusts us compare to Marienburg since we were a bunch of evil chaos worshippers until just a few decades ago.
 
Also keep in mind while Settra himself is bullshit all the other Tomb Kings and Queens allying with the Golden King are bringing equally bullshit units simply not on the same number as Settras' army that is why a stalemate is happening since Settra is fighting nearly everyone with the same stuff as him.
The Tomb Kings are generally not a threat to the outside world(unless provoked) due to most of their focus being on subjugating the other Tomb Kings. Settra comes ahead largely because he can generally count on the support of Queen khalida(who herself comes out ahead because she's not interested in Khemri, just Lybaras, the gods and killing vampires). The Golden King is a threat because his addition of living subjects might allow his power to grow.

Without Khalida? Settra's position as strongest of the Tomb Kings becomes tenuous. Probably the reason he allied himself with Nagash' No1 fanboy. It would've been amazing for him to be able to spare the forces from keeping the other kings in check otherwise.

Hell WE use slaves, even if they aren't human slaves. And we use them as expendable lab rats
Gnoblars are barely sapient and their newfound "allowed to live without fear of being eaten"status is an improvement on their previous civil rights.

They are actually volunteering to be lab rats though. It earns them status(since we are their overlords).

Of the humans, Bretonnia, the Empire, and Kislev have firms policies of disliking slavery.
The Kislev army book mentions this:


So Erengrad at least trades in slaves.

Point about the Empire and Bretonnia though.
If we were to go ask Marienburg to stop slavery, it wouldn't be seen by other nations as sticking our nose where it doesn't belong. It would be seen as one nation trying to convince its ally to not be a dick. If we started raiding the colonies, they won't think of us as extending into other people's sovereignties - they simply won't care. The reaction will be "If you're into slavery, don't expect us to save you when pirates start raiding you" at worst.

We used to be the biggest source of pirates and the biggest (human) supplier of captives to sell into slavery this side of the Old World.

If we started openly raiding their colonies, it'd be seen as 'just' a war between Heimgard and Marienburg over a flimsy casus belli. Other nations(and especially Kislev, being our neighbour and having slaves)might get worried about our 'blatant expansionism' and anybody who actually likes Marienburg(if any) might also get mad at us. Not to mention them calling in allies(if any).

Bretonnia and Estalia might use it as an excuse to expand their own colonies and before you know it, the forces of Order are at war.

Not just going 'Yo, stop the slave trade'.

Make it unseemly, make it reviled, make it unprofitable.
"Yo, Heimgard disapproves of slavery, there's a tariff/embargo on trading with nations where slavery is legal."

Is probably the easiest thing we can do.

The problem is that we're not a big name in the global economy so it wouldn't really do much.

We can't do shit about the Marienburg colonies as long as they're Marienburg colonies without starting shit with Marienburg.

What we'd need to do if we wanted to stop the slave raids would be to:
1. Assassinate key families in Marienburg - destabilizing it.
2. Get Adolphus' to conquer the place* - Taking out their protector.
3. Not have Adolphus keep the Marienburg colonies.
4. Conquer these 'independent' 'warlords' and 'pirates'

*The Empire has an actually workable casus belli because they can still claim Marienburg as theirs since Dieter IV being deposed for accepting the bribe means they can argue he didn't have the authority for it

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Currently, our "Morals" are basically "it fucks over Chaos" = good and "it helps Chaos" = bad.

The money to stock the wasteland with Dharbreakers had to come from somewhere. Unlike Araby, they're not wasting the money to support a hedonistic lifestyle(yet). Instead investing it in something that weakens the influence of Chaos on this world.

If we catch a whiff of Slaaneshi influences in Marienburg though? I'd vote for sending the Nameless.
 
The Tomb Kings are generally not a threat to the outside world(unless provoked) due to most of their focus being on subjugating the other Tomb Kings. Settra comes ahead largely because he can generally count on the support of Queen khalida(who herself comes out ahead because she's not interested in Khemri, just Lybaras, the gods and killing vampires). The Golden King is a threat because his addition of living subjects might allow his power to grow.

Without Khalida? Settra's position as strongest of the Tomb Kings becomes tenuous. Probably the reason he allied himself with Nagash' No1 fanboy. It would've been amazing for him to be able to spare the forces from keeping the other kings in check otherwise.
Still want to send some Albion troops and Sky Titans to help the Golden King out if possible not only to keep Settra out of power but also open more positive relations with the Golden King so we can some possible good stuff.

We have a lot so we can spare them and Chaos is mostly being contained where we are anyway.

Would be cool if when we set up our own Covenant to the Ancestors some friendly Lich Priests could walk us through the process or at least give us details.
Gnoblars are barely sapient and their newfound "allowed to live without fear of being eaten"status is an improvement on their previous civil rights.

They are actually volunteering to be lab rats though. It earns them status(since we are their overlords).
Yeah Gnoblars tend to be super eager to do anything their masters tell them to do and those Gnoblars that survive the experiments tend to become stronger thus Gnoblars are excited for the upgrades.

Heimgard Gnoblars are probably the happiest Gnoblars on the planet considering how well we treat them.
 
The difference between a slave and Bretonnian serf is that a slave at least has the potential option of escaping if they are lucky. Bretonnian serfs don't have it nearly so well.
The lowest class of what we know as serfs in medieval France and England was a slave.

The difference between most classes of Serf and a Slave is that the Serf has land to work on.

Bretonnia has crappy civil rights for the masses so they can give more privilege to the ruling class. A Bretonnian Freemen would still have more rights than a Bretonnian Serf and a hypothetical Bretonnian Slave would still have less rights than all the other Serfs.

The claim that life was better for slaves in the Middle East than serfs in backwater Britain is backed by the standard of life being that much better in the middle east at the time, not the relative rights of between the social classes.

It's like saying American prisoners(the hypothetical slave) are better off than North Korean citizens(the serf). The comparison doesn't make sense.

Technically the serf can try to escape too. S/he is likely to be hunted down with dogs but the option is there.
The loss of land to work on and protection offered by the lord was often more detrimental to the Serf's long term survival than the possibility of the Lord being bothered enough to capture the runaway.
 
Now that I'm thinking about it shouldn't Hall be able to return the Tomb Kings and Queens to life with his High Necromancy since they have both their bodies and souls in one place?
 
Is there any chance we can get some diplomacy actions to improve our relationship with Ingemar? Bad things will happen if it continues to get worse.
 
They may also turn out to all be so desperate to live again that they vow eternal loyalty to us in exchange for it. It's equally as likely.

The most likely result is some get offended, some take us up on it.

Perhaps but we do not really need a pet Tomb King whereas one who is bending all its effort to harming us could be a major issue thus I think it would be best to let sleeping dogs lie at least until we have High Vampirism.
 
Perhaps but we do not really need a pet Tomb King whereas one who is bending all its effort to harming us could be a major issue thus I think it would be best to let sleeping dogs lie at least until we have High Vampirism.

I was thinking more allies with vast experience and useful knowledge of ancient things like the Covenant than putting leashes and collars on them. You have a strange mind there.

And I wasn't considering this as something to do during the current situation, more a potential future route to sound out. Naturally we'd gauge potential reactions and those that would be open for such a thing before making a diplomatic check.
 
I was thinking more allies with vast experience and useful knowledge of ancient things like the Covenant than putting leashes and collars on them. You have a strange mind there.

I was talking about your hypothetical best case scenario of eternal loyalty. I was pointing out that a crit failure could harm us far more than a crit success could help us.
 
Innovation by HeWhoAdds (+20, unused)
Boom. Omake.

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Innovation


Sayble hurried through the huge, stone-walled foundry, cloak flaring behind her, still stained with dirt and grime from the road. The ash and smoke from a hundred forges filled their air with the burnt scent of ironworks, and the clang of huge hammers filled the air. All around her sparks flew and smiths swung and over a hundred master dwarven smiths worked.

Making her way carefully through the crowded foundry, Sayble wove her way towards a large pair of doors set into one wall of the huge foundry, with a pair of dwarven sentries in heavy plate armor standing at attention outside it, their long halberds held across the door. She spared a moment to pity the poor bastards, forced to wear full armor in the sweltering heat of the foundry. Her own woolen travelling clothes were hot enough as it was, without adding a few dozen pounds of steel on top of it.

When they noticed her approach, the two guards stiffened, crossing their halberds in front of the door, and glaring at her. Sayble reached under her cloak, fumbled with the leather straps for a moment, and withdrew a medallion on a leather cord from around her neck, displaying it for the guards. They did not relax. She pulled the strap over her head, and placed the medallion in the palm of one hand. Then, she drew a small knife from her belt, and carefully pricked her index finger, letting a small drop of blood well up from the wound. Then she pressed the bloody finger to the center of the rune-carved medallion. The blood from her finger stained the center of the amulet. There was a moment of perfect stillness, as all three stared intently at the medallion. Then it flashed once, and the guards nodded as one. They pulled their halberds up to vertical, and then, as one, turned and began pushing the large doors open for her.

Sayble strode through, scanning the inner room. This was much smaller than the great foundry outside, and filled with a variety of drafting tables, workbenches, and wall covered almost entirely with different forms of carving tools. At one of the tables, a dwarf was seated, drawing furiously on a huge sheet of paper. From behind, Sayble could see his beard extending almost to the ground. The dwarf, oblivious to her entry, was maintaining a constant stream of muttering and he wrote, scratched out, and wrote again, covering the paper with scribble after scribble. Sayble tossed her cloak over one of the tables, then sat on another, her legs still touching the ground. She sat for a moment, silent, the scrubbed at her face and said.

"You said you needed to speak to me, urgently, Grimald. I nearly killed a Sleipnir riding here, so show me what it is you have. If you're just going to pester me about dragonfire again, I can tell you that-"

A loud grunt from the dwarf cut her off

"You're lucky you're so good at what you do, lass" Grimald said, in a low, gravely voice. "If one of my apprentices tried talking to me like that, I'd have them working the bellows and shoveling charcoal for the next century." He gave her a stern look. "Come with me". The dwarf rose, a gestured towards a long table pushed against one wall of the huge workshop. Without a backward glance, he strode to the table, grabbed something that had been placed on it, and tossed it to Sayble without looking behind him. The surprised human scholar, only halfway across the room, barely caught the long, heavy object.

Without turning, Grimald grunted.

"Tell me what you see".

Sayble examined the object in her hands.

"It's a handgun" she said, examining the barrel, "wrought iron barrel, deepoak stock…." She paused, eying the weapon oddly. "It's got the weirdest firing mechanism I've ever seen. No primer, nowhere for slowmatch….." She changed her grip on the handgun, bringing the firing mechanism closer to her face.

"There's a rune carved into the hammer, and onto the barrel below it……. Kinetic-amberic transmission?"

"Ay" The dwarf said, his moustache twitching as his lips curled into an almost invisible smile. "The runes use the force of the hammer falling to create a spark inside the barrel." He tapped the rune carved into the barrel. "The spark ignites the powder in the musket, hence the elimination of the primer."

Sayble was grinning, now, already working through the implications.

"That would eliminate an entire step in the reloading process, and eliminate the need to issue powder horns…. How fast can a trained man fire one of those? 4, maybe 5 times a minute? That's a pretty significant increase in firepower."

"Six" Grimald replied

"What"

"We trained a couple dozen of the handgunners on these. They averaged six shots a minute. But that's not the real advantage. Without the need for primer, this handgun'll fire in the pouring rain. Can't soak powder that ain't there. Makes it arguably more durable than a crossbow. No sinew to get stretched in the rain, either. You could roll this beautiful piece of engineerin' through the mud, club a ratman t'death with it, and it'll still fire."

Sayble whistled through her teeth

"By the Allfather, Ashi'd kill for a thousand of those. I'd love to see what that rate of fire would do a massed charge of Chaos Warriors. Are you going to sell these? How limited is production".

Grimald's small smile widened into a grin.

"Oh, we're selling them alright. I can right you up an order for a thousand, and have the first two hundred headed to yer armories in 2 weeks."

Saybles jaw dropped open. Grimald noted he expression, and chuckled.

"We've got a saying, these days. Better ten weapons that kill two enemies than one weapon that kills ten." He paused. "It sounds catchier in Dwarvish."

"If what you're claiming is true, we'll probably end up buying as many as you can spare." Saybel said ruefully, "And probably set up a few production lines of our own. But a thousand should do nicely, for now." She paused for a moment, considering something. She hefted the gun in her hands. "This thing have a name?"

Grimald grinned wolfishly.

"We're calling it the runelock".

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