To Secure this Beachhead of Worker's Power: A Soviet Union Quest.

[Red Rationalist]

In short, I propose the creation of a formal intellectual property theft office (reverse engineering) and the early adoption of MTS stations, which should hopefully make our imports of tractors more effective. Yet again, I would be thankful for votes for these 2 motions.

 

[Detective Raven]

[X] Department Of Technological Acquisition

[X] Establishing Collective Ownership Of Agricultural Machinery

In short, I propose the creation of a formal intellectual property theft office (reverse engineering) and the early adoption of MTS stations, which should hopefully make our imports of tractors more effective. Yet again, I would be thankful for votes for these 2 motions.

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Consider it done we need to put every bit of effort to modernise Soviet Union.

 

[QueenOfRoses]

One of the German diplomats made the perhaps unadvisable remark that the Russian Soviet Republic and the German Empire bear a kind of kinship - we are both, he reportedly mused, revolutionary states attempting to remake the Anglo-French liberal order.

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[X] Maintain the status quo
[X] Agree to the meeting, but make no other commitment
[X] Let's keep what friends we have
[X] Rykov's plan

[X] Department Of Technological Acquisition

[X] Establishing Collective Ownership Of Agricultural Machinery

 

[Traveller76]

[X] Motion to add to Agenda: Recognize the various nationalities and ethnic makeup of the Union and reverse Russification programs of the past.

Reason for Agenda Item: In order to build up popular support across the Union and sap strength from our opponents, we should acknowledge the various nationalities and ethnicities in the Union. Apologize and reverse previous Russification policies of the past. Encourage the development of local culture geared to the promotion of our struggle, the party and the revolution.

Proposed Policy Directions:
1. Assigning to each officially recognized national minority its own territory (however small), developing a unified and standardized national language whether or not one had previously existed, and rolling out extensive cultural and educational programs in that language. We also promote the local language and Russian language teaching to students in all levels after 3rd Standard.

2. Staffing the Soviet administration of each territory as far as possible with local nationals.

3. Economic investment in the non-Russian regions, with the aim of creating or reinforcing a native proletariat and raising the general level of development of the minorities.

 

[The Laurent]

[X] It isn't much but it's honest work

 

[notbirdofprey]

[X] Motion to add to Agenda: Recognize the various nationalities and ethnic makeup of the Union and reverse Russification programs of the past.

Haven't decided what to vote on otherwise yet, but this is important.

A question: are there any anarchists of importance we should be aware of? Whether in Ukraine or in Russia?

 

[Angle]

[X] It isn't much but it's honest work

[X] Department Of Technological Acquisition

[X] Establishing Collective Ownership Of Agricultural Machinery

 

[Detective Raven]

Angle my plan covers the points you have voted for you can add the plan name above it so the QM will have easier time counting the votes.

 

[ScreenWatcher]

[X] It isn't much but it's honest work

[X]Maintain the status quo
[X]Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment
[X]The Narodnik Knows the Peasants Best
[X]Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists

 

[7Ejk]

[X] Motion to add to Agenda: Recognize the various nationalities and ethnic makeup of the Union and reverse Russification programs of the past.

 

[mynameisyouQQQ]

[X] Plan: Common Lenin W

 

[SwaggerBob069]

[X] It isn't much but it's honest work
-[X] Maintain the status quo
-[X] Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment
-[X] The Narodnik Knows the Peasants Best
-[X] Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists

[X] Department Of Technological Acquisition

[X] Establishing Collective Ownership Of Agricultural Machinery

 

[OddParadox]

[X] Plan: Common Lenin W

[X] Department Of Technological Acquisition

[X] Establishing Collective Ownership Of Agricultural Machinery

 

[Emral282]

[X]Leninist Reform Plan
[X]Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment
[X]The Narodnik Knows the Peasants Best
[X]Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists

 

[Gavran]

[X]Leninist Reform Plan
[X]Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment
[X]The Narodnik Knows the Peasants Best
[X]Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists

[X] Department Of Technological Acquisition
[X] Establishing Collective Ownership Of Agricultural Machinery

 

[winters_eve]

[X] It isn't much but it's honest work
-[X] Maintain the status quo
-[X] Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment
-[X] The Narodnik Knows the Peasants Best
-[X] Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists

[X] Department Of Technological Acquisition

[X] Establishing Collective Ownership Of Agricultural Machinery

 

[RighteousRancor]

[X]Leninist Reform Plan
[X]Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment
[X]The Narodnik Knows the Peasants Best
[X]Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists
[X] Establishing Collective Ownership Of Agricultural Machinery
[X] Motion to add to Agenda: Recognize the various nationalities and ethnic makeup of the Union and reverse Russification programs of the past.

 

[Curby]

Scheduled vote count started by Curby on Nov 21, 2024 at 9:30 PM, finished with 75 posts and 48 votes.

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  16 people have voted

  -[X]Leninist Reform Plan: Lenin proposes that the chairman of the Central Executive Committee be given a permanent seat on Little Sovnarkom and observer status in Sovnarkom proper, and its number of members raised from 3 to 4. Two of the remaining three members would be decided by Sovnarkom, and the other appointed by the Chairman of the Central Executive Committee. Currently, it is Yakov Sverdlov who holds this position, one of the most astute and talented of Bolshevik politicians and administrators. Some People's commissars worry that giving Sverdlov such a position would unduly enhance his already considerable power - after all, in addition to his role as head of the executive committee, he is also the de facto leader of the Bolshevik Party apparatus. Thus far, he has remained loyal to Lenin, but he has also penned a series of left-wing critiques of Sovnarkom's economic policies, and some believe he has sympathies for Bukharin and the left-communists. (Note: This will shift the balance of power slightly toward the Executive Committee!)

  • Lovemuffin
  • blankmask
  • Spylobster
  • Dlan the Wizard
  • wilby
  • marko_koval
  • Nevis
  • mynameisyouQQQ
  • OddParadox
  • Red Angel
  • Bruhmoment
  • Chipsy_21
  • MordredRaal
  • LazyDragonsGaze
  • Nuew
  • Chimeraguard

  16 people have voted

  -[X]Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment: Stalin, Rykov, and Ordzhonikidze propose that we should simply accept the invitation, and wait to see which conditions America intends to put on recognition and trade. Regardless of any disagreements the present people's commissars might have on domestic policy, they argue that there is little reason to show too much eagerness toward the Americans, who might take this as a signal of weakness.

  • Lovemuffin
  • blankmask
  • Spylobster
  • Dlan the Wizard
  • wilby
  • marko_koval
  • Nevis
  • mynameisyouQQQ
  • OddParadox
  • Red Angel
  • Bruhmoment
  • Chipsy_21
  • MordredRaal
  • LazyDragonsGaze
  • Nuew
  • Chimeraguard

  15 people have voted

  [X] Plan: Common Lenin W

  • Lovemuffin
  • blankmask
  • Spylobster
  • Dlan the Wizard
  • wilby
  • marko_koval
  • Nevis
  • mynameisyouQQQ
  • OddParadox
  • Zimmerwald1915
  • TheArcanist
  • Doctor Elsewhere
  • Ultrackius
  • Random Member
  • DeskGoblin

  12 people have voted

  -[X]Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment

  • Chimeraguard
  • mcclay
  • Zimmerwald1915
  • TheArcanist
  • Doctor Elsewhere
  • Ultrackius
  • Random Member
  • DeskGoblin
  • Chamarmur
  • Red Rationalist
  • SwaggerBob069
  • winters_eve

  12 people have voted

  [X]The Narodnik Knows the Peasants Best

  • Parzival
  • Parzival95
  • Operator Bacon
  • Gavran
  • Fireiy
  • BurnBright
  • Emral282
  • Kirai
  • Astra Myst
  • Shard
  • ScreenWatcher
  • RighteousRancor

  11 people have voted

  [X]Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment

  • Nervos Belli
  • Operator Bacon
  • Gavran
  • Fireiy
  • BurnBright
  • Emral282
  • Kirai
  • Astra Myst
  • Shard
  • ScreenWatcher
  • RighteousRancor

  11 people have voted

  -[x]Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists

  • mcclay
  • Zimmerwald1915
  • TheArcanist
  • Doctor Elsewhere
  • Ultrackius
  • Random Member
  • DeskGoblin
  • Chamarmur
  • Red Rationalist
  • SwaggerBob069
  • winters_eve

  11 people have voted

  [X] Establishing Collective Ownership Of Agricultural Machinery

  • Operator Bacon
  • Gavran
  • DeskGoblin
  • Detective Raven
  • OddParadox
  • Red Rationalist
  • SwaggerBob069
  • winters_eve
  • QueenOfRoses
  • Angle
  • RighteousRancor

  10 people have voted

  [X] Department Of Technological Acquisition

  • Operator Bacon
  • Gavran
  • DeskGoblin
  • Detective Raven
  • OddParadox
  • Red Rationalist
  • SwaggerBob069
  • winters_eve
  • QueenOfRoses
  • Angle

  9 people have voted

  -[X]Let's keep what friends we have: Hesitant to alienate Spiridonova, Lenin suggests moving forward with a similar plan, but having Milyutin work in consultation with Spiridonova. Stalin, Rykov, and Milyutin himself all point out that this is likely to lead to bureaucratic imbroglios and confusion, but it might still be better than the alternatives.

  • Lovemuffin
  • blankmask
  • Spylobster
  • Dlan the Wizard
  • wilby
  • marko_koval
  • Nevis
  • mynameisyouQQQ
  • OddParadox

  9 people have voted

  -[X]Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists: Alexandra Kollantai agrees that we should conduct a census, but wants to use party activists rather than professional bureaucrats to carry it out. This is an excellent project for youth and labor organizations; after all, going house-to-house, collecting information - this doesn't sound so different from running a political campaign, something which the Bolsheviks are very well-versed in. Some worry that farming out such matters-of-state to the party apparatus might set an unhealthy precedent, but Lenin, who enthusiastically supports this plan, reasons that concentrating power in the professional bureaucracies would be far more deleterious to the building of a worker's state than an expansion of the party's role. This argument appears to convince several commissars - Ordzhonikidze and Lunacharsky both speak up in its defense, pointing out that the party does have tens of thousands of enthusiastic activists who would gladly do such work.

  • Lovemuffin
  • blankmask
  • Spylobster
  • Dlan the Wizard
  • wilby
  • marko_koval
  • Nevis
  • mynameisyouQQQ
  • OddParadox

  9 people have voted

  [X]Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists

  • Parzival95
  • Operator Bacon
  • Gavran
  • Fireiy
  • BurnBright
  • Emral282
  • Shard
  • ScreenWatcher
  • RighteousRancor

  8 people have voted

  [X] It isn't much but it's honest work

  • Chimeraguard
  • The Laurent
  • Angle
  • ScreenWatcher
  • Chamarmur
  • Red Rationalist
  • SwaggerBob069
  • winters_eve

  7 people have voted

  [X]Leninist Reform Plan

  • Nervos Belli
  • Operator Bacon
  • Gavran
  • Fireiy
  • BurnBright
  • Emral282
  • RighteousRancor

  7 people have voted

  [X] Plan: Soviet Centralist

  • Red Angel
  • Bruhmoment
  • Chipsy_21
  • MordredRaal
  • LazyDragonsGaze
  • Nuew
  • Chimeraguard

  7 people have voted

  -[X]The Narodnik Knows the Peasants Best: Maria Spiridonova has remained loyal to our government and has spent years working tirelessly on behalf of the Russian peasant. The negotiations with Germany might very well alienate more of her left-SR comrades; let's try to keep this one on our side. Milyutin will not be happy with it, but placing the commissariat of agriculture in the hands of someone with the trust and adoration of the peasants would probably lead to a more effective survey. Of course, subordinating a commissariat to an executive committee department would set a precedent in favor of the latter. Additionally, Spiridinova is likely to want a longer, more detailed survey: we'll have to either pay to expand her personnel or content ourselves with the survey taking much longer…(Note: This will moderately move the balance of power in the direction of the Executive Committee, and significantly improve the left-SR's opinion of the government. It will also increase the power of the left-sr's.)

  • Red Angel
  • Bruhmoment
  • Chipsy_21
  • MordredRaal
  • LazyDragonsGaze
  • Nuew
  • Chimeraguard

  7 people have voted

  -[X]Rykov's Plan: The Commissar of Internal Affairs argues that a census is very much necessary, that it impacts everything from production numbers, military recruitment, agricultural output to ethnic distribution and demand for social services (at this point, Skobelev and Kollantai glance at Rykok - he is citing from the motion as if the words were his own, but no matter...). He explains that his department presently does not have the personnel required for such a task, but he notes that there are many trained "bourgeois specialists" affiliated with the old, tsarist regime who could assist with a census. Perhaps if he was provided funding to hire them without facing charges of "right-wing deviation", he could put together a national census.

  • Red Angel
  • Bruhmoment
  • Chipsy_21
  • MordredRaal
  • LazyDragonsGaze
  • Nuew
  • Chimeraguard

  7 people have voted

  -[X]Leninist Reform Plan

  • Chimeraguard
  • Zimmerwald1915
  • TheArcanist
  • Doctor Elsewhere
  • Ultrackius
  • Random Member
  • DeskGoblin

  7 people have voted

  -[X]Let's keep what friends we have

  • Chimeraguard
  • Zimmerwald1915
  • TheArcanist
  • Doctor Elsewhere
  • Ultrackius
  • Random Member
  • DeskGoblin

  5 people have voted

  -[x]Maintain the status quo

  • mcclay
  • Chamarmur
  • Red Rationalist
  • SwaggerBob069
  • winters_eve

  5 people have voted

  -[x]The Narodnik Knows the Peasants Best

  • mcclay
  • Chamarmur
  • Red Rationalist
  • SwaggerBob069
  • winters_eve

  4 people have voted

  [X]Maintain the status quo

  • Parzival95
  • Pillar 0F Atlan2
  • QueenOfRoses
  • ScreenWatcher

  4 people have voted

  [X] Motion to add to Agenda: Recognize the various nationalities and ethnic makeup of the Union and reverse Russification programs of the past.

  • Traveller76
  • notbirdofprey
  • 7Ejk
  • RighteousRancor

  3 people have voted

  [X]Rykov's Plan

  • Nervos Belli
  • Parzival
  • QueenOfRoses

  3 people have voted

  [X]Agree to the meeting, and provide assurances of goodwill

  • Parzival
  • Parzival95
  • Pillar 0F Atlan2

  2 people have voted

  [X]Our Agriculture is Perfectly Adequate

  • Nervos Belli
  • Pillar 0F Atlan2

  2 people have voted

  [X]We Already have a Census

  • Kirai
  • Pillar 0F Atlan2

  1 people have voted

  [X] Plan: Labor Reserve

  • Chimeraguard

  1 people have voted

  -[X]Rykov's Plan

  • Chimeraguard

  1 people have voted

  [x]Power to the Left SRs

  • mcclay

  1 people have voted

  [X]Menshevik Reform Plan

  • Parzival

  1 people have voted

  [X] Agree to the meeting, but make no other commitment

  • QueenOfRoses

  1 people have voted

  [X] Let's keep what friends we have

  • QueenOfRoses

 

[Detective Raven]

Curby My vote is missing for my plan it is only showing for Agenda.

 

[Random Member]

So, uhh, which options won?

 

[IamtooSleepy]

So, uhh, which options won?

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And this is why we need to empower the Sovnarkom so everything can come into nice neat planvote instead of, well, this.

 

[Red Rationalist]

So, uhh, which options won?

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Based on my count:
-[] Leninist Reform with 23 votes
-[] Agree To The Meeting with 28 votes
-[] The Narodnik Knows The Peasant Best [Split in 2 segments due formatting differences] with 19 votes
-[] Proletarians, Not Bourgeois Specialists with 20 votes

 

[SwaggerBob069]

At least three of the options I wanted won, so I'm satisfied

 

[Random Member]

At least three of the options I wanted won, so I'm satisfied

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3 out of 4 is literally reactionary counter-revolution though

 

[Zimmerwald1915]

3 out of 4 is literally reactionary counter-revolution though

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So true