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This Mighty Scourge of War: A Reconstruction-Era Quest

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Silvis said:
Something to keep in mind is the transcontinental railroad finished will help us significantly domestically even if we stay at war.
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If post "Liberation" war one of the carribean nations Willingly let one of the European Empires to station troops or join a South American alliance against the US will America interfere with that nations freedom to choose their alliances?

We will be looking upon as hypocrites if we intervene with a nations sovereign right to choose who they could be Allied with.
 
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Silvis said:
Absolutely yes.
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Then buddy we are going to experience TTL version of Vietnam as nobody will trust America. Touting freedom and liberty for the carribeans people then proceeding to crush or invade any who steps out of line.

"Hey there looks like your son's and father's are going to die in the carribeans fighting against the same people who they liberated a couple of years ago just because the newly elected government wanted to cozy up with the Europeans and ammend their wounds."

All our economic might and industry are practically useless if the public only see it as a imperialistic war headed by the Redical Republicans who will send thousands of soldiers to their death just to plant a few flags in some islands and tell the native that they are "Liberated" but threaten them with invasion or occupation if they step out of their ideal vision of a carribean nation.
 
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Disregarding how unlikely that is.

Good relations and actual military units are two different things.

I don't care who they are friends with.

But I'm not dealing with what is basically a earlier Cuban missile crisis.

If Europe becomes friendlier later and that happens fine.

But no way are enemy troops getting stationed that close to the U.S.

That would be insanity from anyone's point of view.
 
Silvis said:
Disregarding how unlikely that is.

Good relations and actual military units are two different things.

I don't care who they are friends with.

But I'm not dealing with what is basically a earlier Cuban missile crisis.

If Europe becomes friendlier later and that happens fine.

But no way are enemy troops getting stationed that close to the U.S.

That would be insanity from anyone's point of view.
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Alright if we do continue the war how many losses do you think America can accept before it turns unpopular?
 
eumarthan said:
Alright if we do continue the war how many losses do you think America can accept before it turns unpopular?
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This is an important question. The answer which we can glimpse from our status report.
Kirook said:
National stability is shaky.
The government's legitimacy is slowly recovering.
The capital is on edge.
The mood of the Liberal Republicans is pleased.
The mood of the Radical Republicans is agitated.
The mood of the minor parties is angry.
Class relations are somewhat tense.
The international situation is violent.
The status of Reconstruction is hindered by military necessities elsewhere.
The intensity of conflict on the frontier is rising.
The war in the Caribbean is close to an American victory.
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My reading is not very much losses. But as the war condition is close to victory the next pertinent question is what is closer the victory or domestic instability? The different answer to that question is the difference between the Accept and Reject.
 
What bad event do you think will happen if America fails to push the Europeans out of the Carribean before a certain amount of time or their casualties reach "Red line".

I just want what do you think the consequences will be if we continue the war and the worst happens.
 
[X] Accept the Franco-Spanish peace offer

There's no need to make war against the whole continent to establish a federation of socialist, sorry, radical republican polities when the KKK and other associated white supremacist and dissenting factions are at the brink of tearing your nation apart from the seams
If Haiti's debt wasn't being forgiven, I'd have leaned reject, but...it is!
So Accept it is

We can be content with a limited sphere fo influence for a while — it's not like treaties are eternal, after all.
The new world, apart from the European colonies, is still ours, considering the Monroe Doctrine.
Voting reject here would be like if the Soviets voted for Brest-Litovsk — in that it would almost certainly be deliberate self-sabotage

And Brest-Litovsk was bad! It was terrible! Meanwhile here we've basically won, all that's being asked is that we don't war further.

So yeah, accept it is.

Also we really gotta get back to doing reconstruction
 
At this point is there even a significant colony left?

To my knowledge OTL 1860s European control in the hemisphere is limited to the carribean, Guiana, and a few british holdings like belize or the falklands. The british stuff is a non-issue now, and the carribean is being completely turned over to our new allies.

Compared to the valuable (if slowly getting less valuable) carribean plantations, Guiana is so much of a rump at this point I don't think we can expect significant European meddling in the hemisphere. It was always a sparse, low density area. Victory here pretty much eliminates any concern about Europe coming over to bother the Americas any time soon. I can accept a tiny spit of land that no European is ever going to be able to use for much of anything, because this war is like the Louisiana Purchase. Its a final nail in the coffin, plain to see for any colonial power, that the Americas are practically out of reach.

We need time to regroup, to establish reconstruction, build our economy, keep our base happy and solidify our new allies. Give it a decade, and we can come back for round 2. Maybe mop up the rest of Spain's crumbling empire, or intervene in britain.
 
Arathnorn said:
At this point is there even a significant colony left?
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If you mean direct colonies, besides French Guiana and the Dutch Caribbean, the Europeans still hold much of Southeast Asia and the Pacific, as well as a lot of the African coastal holdings that would in our timeline go on to be the springboards for the Scramble for Africa (although France sold some of their West African forts to the Netherlands as Prussia's continental bloc was forming). There's also the Indian Empire, which is still essentially a colonial comprador regime even if it's no longer directly ruled by a single European country.
 
Kirook said:
If you mean direct colonies, besides French Guiana and the Dutch Caribbean, the Europeans still hold much of Southeast Asia and the Pacific, as well as a lot of the African coastal holdings that would in our timeline go on to be the springboards for the Scramble for Africa (although France sold some of their West African forts to the Netherlands as Prussia's continental bloc was forming). There's also the Indian Empire, which is still essentially a colonial comprador regime even if it's no longer directly ruled by a single European country.
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How much more would it take to get them to give up all of their colonial possessions in the Americas?
 
Arathnorn said:
We need time to regroup, to establish reconstruction, build our economy, keep our base happy and solidify our new allies. Give it a decade, and we can come back for round 2. Maybe mop up the rest of Spain's crumbling empire, or intervene in britain.
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I'd agree except for the problem of things like the Indian Empire.

Whic will probably just make them stronger next time.
 
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