No. He received the quest to get them together, but refused it because squick.
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No. He received the quest to get them together, but refused it because squick.
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Is this just a hyperbole or is there some time shenanigans going on?
ScottotheUnwise
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Nah, It means that Dyran has a past here in the hundreds of years, not Ren or anything.
KnightofTempest
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Interesting story.
The MC is almost as strong as Max Power Roshi now. I'm assuming since the 7 star ball was at Fry Pan Mountain that this is still Early Dragonball?
If so he's not going to have any competition in the Tounament. The fighters that signed up were mostly below 110 PL with the exception of Goku, Krillin, and Roshi. Even Yamcha was around 110 during the first Tournament.
Hell the MC could probably beat anyone on Earth by the time of the Tournament. Red Ribbon don't have anyone stronger than 200 right now, and Roshi tops out at 225 using Max Power. Hell even King Piccolo tops out at 260 according to the Daizenshuu.
I get that you're using non canon numbers for Dragonball, but the official Numbers would get eaten alive by the MC. . .
The MC is almost as strong as Max Power Roshi now. I'm assuming since the 7 star ball was at Fry Pan Mountain that this is still Early Dragonball?
If so he's not going to have any competition in the Tounament. The fighters that signed up were mostly below 110 PL with the exception of Goku, Krillin, and Roshi. Even Yamcha was around 110 during the first Tournament.
Hell the MC could probably beat anyone on Earth by the time of the Tournament. Red Ribbon don't have anyone stronger than 200 right now, and Roshi tops out at 225 using Max Power. Hell even King Piccolo tops out at 260 according to the Daizenshuu.
I get that you're using non canon numbers for Dragonball, but the official Numbers would get eaten alive by the MC. . .
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In DBS it was shown that Roshi can improve by leaps and bounds if he so wished.
Original Dragonball begins at September 1, Age 749.
In my story, it is currently August 8, Age 749. Around 3 weeks before the start of the official series.
Considering that Ten and Goku are destined to meet months before the tournament, I wouldn't say he isn't going to have any competition— but that's understandable, since you don't actually know when the story is taking place (which is confusing because I clearly stated the dates in every chapter).
Ten defeated General Blue in Central's Tournament... You think this won't have any consequences?
As for King Piccolo, that's years ahead— you don't even know if he's going to be released. Pilaf is the one who canonically releases him, and you haven't even seen if anything's changed yet, in that regard.
KnightofTempest
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I don't see any meaningful way for Red Ribbon to hurt him. Depending on when they attack he could very well beat, Colonel Silver their Strongest Fighter, rather handily. Silver only has a PL of 200.
Sure they could try hiring Taopaipai who, BTW we never got a PL for in the Daizenshuu, but even he must top out at less than King Piccolo's 260.
I suppose they could kidnap his mom, but thats not really incentive with dragonballs being a thing. The worst they can do is kill her, then they lose their only leverage and she can just be revived afterwards. Dragonballs make death cheap at least for the first time.
Its more likely that the Demon Realm would pose a challenge. Kudos for the Dragon Quest stuff btw. . .
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What?
That's a PL of 200? You're off your rocker if you think that's the case. At best, Silver was at around 50-60. He managed to take a light kick from Goku and instantly lost the moment Goku got just a little serious.
Now, as I have said. Actions will have consequences.
You seem stuck in the mentality that no one in the Dragonball cast will ever be as strong as King Piccolo. I am here to tell you that is not the case.
Red Ribbon Army was able to raise General Blue's power enough to last a while against a highly trained fighter like Taopaipai in the series.
In turn, I set events up so that General Blue lost against Ten over a year before this meeting, so he'd have one of two things:
1) Incentive to improve himself— a goal to strive for.
2) Incentive for the Red Ribbon scientists to improve him. Gero was able to make cyborgs stronger than Super Saiyans, given enough time.
All in all, my advice to you is: stop underestimating the human race.
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Oh hey, is Arale and Penguin Island a thing in this continuity?
KnightofTempest
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Hey, its the official number from the Movie 6 Pamphlet. While you could argue against it as the movies aren't canon, its still an official number.
You seem to think I'm underestimating humans. I'm not. I'm just going off the numbers we have from Toei animation and Toriyama himself. As to Taopaipai my supposition there was simply based off of what we see of each in the Series.
I personally think that there are numerous ways the Humans can do better than in canon, magic being one of them. I just don't think that there will be much of a challenge if we go by the official numbers. That's all.
You have introduced Dragon Quest Stuff with the Demon World, clearly you're not going that way, but compared to canon, Ten is almost already the strongest on the planet. Thats all I'm saying.
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Not only that, Gero also made them into perpetual motion machines with those infinite energy reactors.
Honestly he's one of the most underutilized characters in the setting considering how far impactful his creations were all the way to even Super.
If Ten either spares, saves, or just doesn't kill his son, and Gero managed to be redeemed like Vegeta or Piccolo (like after finding out what Commander Red wanted from the Dragonballs), you're looking at a massive shift in both the canon rails for DBZ and how Earth could possibly develop.
If he ever went legit and opened his own company like the Briefs, Earth would definitely become the greatest technological powerhouse in all of Universe 7, if it isn't already with just Bulma.
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KnightofTempest
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Thing is, Gero could have went legit before he started working for Red Ribbon and made a fortune. He made himself fully functional Boinic Legs before he even joined them, its what got him into Robotics. There's got to be a reason he joined Red Ribbon instead.
Maybe he's just a powermonger?
Also I never really bought into Vegeta's Redemption. Say what you will about him settling on Earth, the man still has multiple genocides under his belt.
Even if you say Frieza made him do it, "I was just following orders" ceased to be a viable excuse awhile ago.
But then, Japanese people aren't really taught much about the Holocaust in school. Their Education tends to focus on the Pacific War, so that's not really Toriyama's fault.
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Wasn't he also having his entire race effectively held hostage against his 'good' behaviour?
KnightofTempest
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Not really, Nappa and Raditz were on his team.
They could have ditched their scouters and fucked off to a backwater Planet via a stolen ship from one of their target planets or something.
Paragus and Broly did. Tarble did. Hell even Turles was mostly bumming around rim planets and Frieza didn't notice.
If you don't want movie or anniversary special examples, technically thats what Happened to Goku. Nobody even knew where he was sent until Raditz spent time actively looking.
In Super its implied that the Galaxy Patrol mostly patrols out of the way planets and Frieza didn't bother with them.
And of course there was always the other 3 Galaxies to flee too.
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Using a completely outdated power scale introduced by a movie which wasn't even canon to begin with?
The only canon movies are:
Battle of Gods.
Ressurrection F.
Broly (Super).
That's it.
With that said, I will no longer continue debating with you about characters' Battle Powers as it's a total waste of my time.
I'll only reply to plot-based questions.
Have a good one.
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Really, Earth as of post-Cell is set up to be the galactic power in Universe 7, even with Future Trunks going full Luddite and blowing up Freeza and King Cold's flagship. Bulma got like 90% of Gero's research into both pure Androids and full-body prosthetics capable of standing up to anything short of a Super Saiyan with energy drain capability, cyborgs stronger than Super Saiyans with perpetual motion machine reactors, pure androids capable of thrashing Imperfect Cell, and bio-androids capable of both, with enough to absorb, keeping up with Super Saiyan 2s until they push their all into an attack that either kills the android or leaves the Super Saiyan 2 drained and exposed, and escalating with no known cap beyond that. To say nothing of the various movie-only androids. If even 'only' the pure androids can be mass-produced, with the cyborgs as less common field commanders, that is an incredible fighting force.
On top of that, they have Saiyans and half-Saiyans for the big sticks, unenhanced humans capable of stomping anyone short of non-final form Freeza's family from the old Cold Empire and maybe even them, and the sheer toolbox of techniques that ones such as Goku, Piccolo, and Tien have amassed that can be taught to others (Kaioken, Instant Transmission, Special Beam Cannon, half a dozen disabling moves that Tien knows that we only ever see Solar Flare, et cetera).
They have ships faster than anything the Cold Empire could field, Senzu beans and Cold Empire Healing Tanks to study, synthesise, and improve on, gravity rooms and capsule technology, Baba and other magic users' bullshit, as well as the Dragonballs for if anything goes really south.
We know from various glimpses of the future as well as DBS that the Crane School is restarted by Tien and the Turtle School by Krillin, with (normal timeline) Trunks and Goten pioneering the art of reinforcing mundane items/materials with Ki both during the creation process and during use so that the items are far more durable and (for edged items) sharper than anything normal materials can achieve. Bulma can likely reproduce the advances her bad-future counterpart did to design ki-powered machinery capable of, among other things, time travel, and can likely build machines capable of many other things that are otherwise thought impossible.
The galaxy beyond Earth is likely in turmoil from losing the governing Empire and entire Royal family that ruled that galaxy and multiple others (iirc) and were 'keeping order' (ie depopulating/detonating the planets of anyone that made trouble beyond what they authorised) between what is likely a galaxy with millennia of long-held grudges if Babadi or the Saiyans and those that lived on Planet Vegeta before them are anything to go on. It's not the story Toriyama wanted to tell, and it's not in line with Dragonball to that point thematically, but Earth is in a prime position to conquer the galaxy 'for its own good' immediately post-Cell and at any point after.
On top of that, they have Saiyans and half-Saiyans for the big sticks, unenhanced humans capable of stomping anyone short of non-final form Freeza's family from the old Cold Empire and maybe even them, and the sheer toolbox of techniques that ones such as Goku, Piccolo, and Tien have amassed that can be taught to others (Kaioken, Instant Transmission, Special Beam Cannon, half a dozen disabling moves that Tien knows that we only ever see Solar Flare, et cetera).
They have ships faster than anything the Cold Empire could field, Senzu beans and Cold Empire Healing Tanks to study, synthesise, and improve on, gravity rooms and capsule technology, Baba and other magic users' bullshit, as well as the Dragonballs for if anything goes really south.
We know from various glimpses of the future as well as DBS that the Crane School is restarted by Tien and the Turtle School by Krillin, with (normal timeline) Trunks and Goten pioneering the art of reinforcing mundane items/materials with Ki both during the creation process and during use so that the items are far more durable and (for edged items) sharper than anything normal materials can achieve. Bulma can likely reproduce the advances her bad-future counterpart did to design ki-powered machinery capable of, among other things, time travel, and can likely build machines capable of many other things that are otherwise thought impossible.
The galaxy beyond Earth is likely in turmoil from losing the governing Empire and entire Royal family that ruled that galaxy and multiple others (iirc) and were 'keeping order' (ie depopulating/detonating the planets of anyone that made trouble beyond what they authorised) between what is likely a galaxy with millennia of long-held grudges if Babadi or the Saiyans and those that lived on Planet Vegeta before them are anything to go on. It's not the story Toriyama wanted to tell, and it's not in line with Dragonball to that point thematically, but Earth is in a prime position to conquer the galaxy 'for its own good' immediately post-Cell and at any point after.
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Yes, Toriyama set the humans up with ridiculous potential.
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I generally don't give gag characters much thought, as I'm not writing crackfic here.
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Um...
Was that not badass enough for you?
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I don't I've ever read a strategy/military focused fic in the DBZ fandom now that you've raised the idea.
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The DBZ fandom is more or less the following:
- What if Gohan trained?
- GxV fics
- VxB fics
A handfull of surviving members doesn't invalidate my point that all the rest of them would be dead. That would be just a little unacceptable to the heir of those people ergo his people were being held hostage against his behaviour.
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Pretty sure the point was that at any point Prince!Vegeta was ready to strike out, it was post-Planet!Vegeta's destruction, when he, Nappa, and Radditz were the only known (to them) surviving Saiyans. After all, he was a little kid when his parents, planet, and people were wiped out by a passing
Not only that, the Saiyans were supposedly relatively high up in the Cold Empire's military hierarchy (which I can only attribute to the Saiyans so consistently putting out capable warriors, since so many of Freeza's troops on Namek were so far above even pre-Earth-Zenkai Prince!Vegeta, let alone Radditz or Nappa - I assume those on Namek were considered exceptional warriors for their species, whereas the Saiyans consistently put out warriors capable of doing Freeza's dirty work - especially since the survivors of a planetary purge on that stealthed ship thought their blasters could hurt Krillin and Gohan, when they weren't that far above Freeza's low-level goons on Namek at that point) and thus capable of calling in emergency support from people like Qui at least, if not calling upon Lord Freeza for some truly elite warriors to detonate the asteroid - and on top of all of that, the System!Vegeta was at least relatively well-travelled, so the chances of not spotting an asteroid large enough and/or coming in fast enough to mass-scatter Planet!Vegeta would be low.
(Thank god for Bang Paths, is all I can say regarding how many 'Vegeta's I had to differentiate between in the last two paragraphs. At least it would be clearer in Japanese, with Vegeta-sei for the planet, and I guess something along the lines of either Vegeta-Denka, Vegeta-sama, or Vegeta no kimi for our favourite ill-tempered Prince and Vegeta-Heika for his dad, when giving them their proper titles (which you know Bulma only ever does when she wants something))
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I only ask because I could have SWORN they showed up in Super.
Arale being a robot (which, being a creation without a soul, how exactly would insight see it anyway?) she was handily able to overpower Blue during their fight. Again though, baseline Blue. Could go different now that he lost to Ten.
Penguin Island just seems like a weird little place that is isolated from the rest of the planet, despite them having planes and the like.
Although yes, I can understand not including gag characters in an attempt to keep the story and tone focused. What if you had them be inclined toward the setting, though? Would that work, or is there generally no more room for a side plot where Ten stumbles across an island where he finds a socially awkward scientist with his 'totally secret' robot daughter?
And yes, if they were put into a more serious setting, the first thing I would expect to change would be the 'nobody knows she's a robot' nonsense. It's a small island, people talk. Everybody and their mom would figure out that she's a robot in mere days from observation alone.
As to what the cast could provide to the setting... Well, anything game breaking is right out. The slip pad time machine is a good example, as well as the transformation gun. If you included that everyone would be pestering you with 'well why doesn't everyone use to change into saiyan', same as the stupid wish scenario.
Arale is obviously strong, but enough so that she could provide a good challenge for Ten again and again over time? I dunno.
And again, not trying to pressure you into going with my idea or anything. Just spitballing ideas to see if anything sounded interesting.
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KnightofTempest
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Way to ignore the rest of my post. . .
As to movies I thought you liked the Humans? Super goes out of its way to widen the Power Gap. Plus they did poor Tien so dirty. . .
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People complain about this a lot.
They don't understand that it doesn't make for a good story.
I read a fanfic a long time ago with Gohan deciding he was going to take steps to improve their chances at survival after the fight against Cell. He called up the dragon every year, using both wishes every time.
One wish was infinite Senzu. Another was making all the Z fighters Saiyans. Another was removing the limit of the time chamber. Another was making it so that the time chamber didn't make people age in it.
You can see how ridiculous this was getting.
People who think like this have no business writing or reviewing stories, as they can't possibly understand why their choices in plot are awful.