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While we on the sidelines cheer him on and give him all the weapons he could ever want to smash vlads face In more. We need to make sure he survives atleast a decade which could strengthen unity and if prosperity does in those times it could help as well.

But in all seriousness we should send some of the iron companies to help him as a show of solidarity and unity between the blocs.
 
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At this point Warkeymon I beg you to change your dice roller, there were 8 rolls this turn, of them only one was above 50 for an average of 32.8, the only reason we were successful in almost all of the rolls that succeded was cause of the bonuses.

anw want to ask actually who are the 14 electors here
12 of them are the regions,
are the last 2, 2 cult of sigmar representatives? the grand theogonist and an arch lector? or the final one is the Ar-Ulric?
cause if we count the people who want to vote for us we would have 5 votes guaranteed (us, moot, westerland, reikland, stirland) without counting the cult of sigmar, and if they have 2 seats we would have 7 votes and only need 1 more vote which we could get from ostermark if we push them enough.
 
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Ragingbear21 said:
At this point Warkeymon I beg you to change your dice roller, there were 8 rolls this turn, of them only one was above 50 for an average of 32.8, the only reason we were successful in almost all of the rolls that succeded was cause of the bonuses.

anw want to ask actually who are the 14 electors here
12 of them are the regions,
are the last 2, 2 cult of sigmar representatives? the grand theogonist and an arch lector? or the final one is the Ar-Ulric?
cause if we count the people who want to vote for us we would have 5 votes guaranteed (us, moot, westerland, reikland, stirland) without counting the cult of sigmar, and if they have 2 seats we would have 7 votes and only need 1 more vote which we could get from ostermark if we push them enough.
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I'm currently using Random.org, I would be interested in seeing how the rolls have worked out on average across the quest so far but based on a particular turn I'm not looking to switch up.

The Electors are the 13 surviving Provinces, Westerland, Nordland, Ostland, Middenland, Hochland, Talabecland, Ostermark, Reikland, Wissenland, Stirland, Averland, Mootland and Sylvania. And the two Cult Electors of the Grand Theogonist and the Ar-Ulric.

Changes to the Electors can only be done by a fully realised Emperor or by a majority vote of the Electors for example the vote that Talabecland called to have the Cult of Taal added. In OTL Sylvania was disenfranchised via a vote of the Electors and the Cult of Sigmar was given additional votes by Magnus in his power as Emperor.
 
Let us not vote for the wolf before we can talk to him and get promises and consessions.

If we vote for our selves first we can shiw how powerfull our block is. That will give us bargganing power for the second round.
 
Warkeymon said:
I'm currently using Random.org, I would be interested in seeing how the rolls have worked out on average across the quest so far but based on a particular turn I'm not looking to switch up.
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fair enough.

Warkeymon said:
The Electors are the 13 surviving Provinces, Westerland, Nordland, Ostland, Middenland, Hochland, Talabecland, Ostermark, Reikland, Wissenland, Stirland, Averland, Mootland and Sylvania. And the two Cult Electors of the Grand Theogonist and the Ar-Ulric.
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hmmmmm so if we go for our own candidacy we have 6 votes going for us, the ottilans have 1 vote (others unknown), and the Wolf emperor has at least 4 votes (middenland, nordland, Ar-Ulric and averland) and we have 3 unknowns left, Ostland and Ostermark and Hochland,

Ostermark looks like he wants to vote for talabecland but can be convinced to vote for the wolf emperor for a bribe or for us, and Ostland unless there's something in the previous turns I missed, Ostland was still in the ottilan factions but just like averland doesn't like or have the time for the internal conflict and can be bribed and the wolf emperor may have bribed him or the ottilans did, and finally hochland, well hochland, there's a lot of signs pointing towards hochland being bought by the wolf emperor.
but either way best case scenario for the wolf emperor is 6 votes, us 6 votes and 2 votes for talabecland, it's funny with all the things the wolf emperor has been doing to get votes we still match him in his best-case scenario. But really the fact that averland was bought by the wolf emperor is the one that hurts the most, with him and bribing ostermark we would have won the election with 8 votes.

Anw looking at the choices we have, trying to make that bloc is looking like a lot of work and a lot of promises we will have to make if we even want one more vote other than ours, like even if we go all in with all choices to go for the wolf emperor, we would only have a guaranteed voting block of 4 votes since we won't know how the sigmarites are going to vote with us or not and the westerland isn't looking likely to vote for him. those 4 votes would be enough for him to win even if both hochland and ostland don't vote for him but we would be taking a lot of commitments both modernising the state troops of stirland and Ostermark and we would be losing the favors we just gained in putting a halfing in the council or going for the position of supreme lord of the law instead of going for chancellor. we would have a lot of promises to fulfill and not a lot of concession to show for it.

So not sure which way would be better here going all in for the voting bloc and taking on those promises or just convincing one other elector and hoping hochland and ostland also vote for the wolf emperor. And the problem with taking on more promises is that we already have some, mainly the fort in averland and most of our dices are gonna mostly be concentrated on war against Vlad in the coming turns
 
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hmmmmm so if we go for our own candidacy we have 6 votes going for us, the ottilans have 1 vote (others unknown), and the Wolf emperor has at least 4 votes (middenland, nordland, Ar-Ulric and averland) and we have 3 unknowns left, Ostland and Ostermark and Hochland,
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Keep in mind that we can't get the Moot for ourselves, only for the Wolf or otherwise they vote Reikland.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Keep in mind that we can't get the Moot for ourselves, only for the Wolf or otherwise they vote Reikland.
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I mean the same things we offer the Moot to vote for the wolf emperor are the same things we can offer them to vote for us, a place in our council or making halflings equality a law. it's not in the current options but since there were options for our candidancy for the other voters, we could ask warkeymon if we could do a write in for it promise them equality or a place in the council for the vote.
 
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I mean the same things we offer the Moot to vote for the wolf emperor are the same things we can offer them to vote for us, a place in our council or making halflings equality a law. it's not in the current options but since there were options for our candidancy for the other voters, we could ask warkeymon if we could do a write in for it promise them equality or a place in the council for the vote.
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It's explicitly in their segment that the Halflings don't think we are a strong enough candidate to ensure hafling-rights through the Empire.

So either we go with the Wolf, or they vote for a single province that will bribe them with Halfling-rights within its borders.
 
Artemis1992 said:
It's explicitly in their segment that the Halflings don't think we are a strong enough candidate to ensure hafling-rights through the Empire.

So either we go with the Wolf, or they vote for a single province that will bribe them with Halfling-rights within its borders.
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You are completely right, my mistake I skimed the first paragraphs of the halfling bit. so yea no halfling vote for us.
 
Would our vote be enough to make the Wolf Emperor? If not, we should vote for him anyways to show our commitment and make it clear we're willing to vote for him; considering he hasn't even met with us yet, he'll undoubtedly want to meet with us afterward, where we can discuss concessions and what our bloc wants.
 
TheGrape said:
Would our vote be enough to make the Wolf Emperor? If not, we should vote for him anyways to show our commitment and make it clear we're willing to vote for him; considering he hasn't even met with us yet, he'll undoubtedly want to meet with us afterward, where we can discuss concessions and what our bloc wants.
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Yes.

Together we can likely get 10 out of 15 votes, maybe 11 if Hochland has flipped.

So we'd make the Wolf a pretty strong Emperor, no three-way-split and no realistic chance of anyone but Vlad challenging the results.
 
[X] The Wolves
[X] The Marcher Companies
[X] A Pledge of Funding
[X] The First Halfling
[X] The Talisman of the Midden
[X] Aye

I can already hear the mollusk screaming, NOT AS PLANNED!
 
[X] The Imperialists
[X] The Defender of the Provinces
[X] A Consortium
[X] The Easy Concession
[X] The Talisman of Nuln
[X] Aye

I feel like we're more likely to extract more concessions if the voting enters a second round. Might even get a chance to win the damn throne depending on how the Ottillian breakdown looks like. A second round also means we get more information before deciding the vote. More importantly, voting for ourselves means less guarantees we need to give out. I don't want to be stuck in AP hell securing the crown for the Wolf Emperor. Since he hasn't approached us, if we give him a win in the first round, he's more than likely going to just prioritize his bloc on the council over ours. We can also tell the Imperialists that we gave it our best shot.
 
This does run the risk of the Electors deciding not to reconvene, though. And the possibility of Vlad coming in for the interrupt during the week. And so on.
 
It would be the act of an utter political novice to give the wolf the votes of our block BEFORE we negotiate with him. Just... Absurdly naive.
 
Niksol said:
It would be the act of an utter political novice to give the wolf the votes of our block BEFORE we negotiate with him. Just... Absurdly naive.
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And yet... once we shall withdraw from the race, the Electors we promised certain concessions to support Nuln for Emperor shall be free real estate once again, since there is no guarantee they will vote for the Wolf Emperor next.
 
[X] The Wolves
[X] The Marcher Companies
[X] A Pledge of Funding
[X] The First Halfling
[X] The Talisman of the Midden
[X] Aye
 
Hum, a bit odd that Todbringer hasn't come to us yet, though he might just want to smoke us out. To be fair, the idea of us gathering votes for him must seem like sheer fantasy. Much better to wait and see if we indeed have a coalition when the time comes to vote and then try to identify its weakest members.

So yes, let's show him that we do have the votes to seriously impair him and force him to come to the table. If our candidacy truly appears credible then he has all the reason to try and flip us.

[X] The Imperialists
[X] The Defender of the Provinces
[X] A Consortium
[X] The Easy Concession
[X] The Talisman of Nuln
[X] Aye
 
[X] The Imperialists
[X] The Defender of the Provinces
[X] A Consortium
[X] The Easy Concession
[X] The Talisman of Nuln
[X] Aye
 
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