ok no, they barely fought the scourge... mostly because they had what? a couple thousand people tops? they only had two bases in total and were nearly non-existent pre-WotLK... And that is not something we can fix. I want the Holy warrior quest here as Jeanne fits it so well, not some basic WoW adventurer quest and only the Scarlet Crusade can really give us that.
Having Jeanne act as a rallying point for the cause of Lordaeron won't result in the Argent Dawn gathering recruits and reinforcements how? I mean, that's basically what Jeanne
does for a living, and did it quite well in France. Either by cleaving them from the Scarlet Crusade or by luring in hopeful adventurers from the South (seriously, that's a thing that happens).
And yes, they did fight the Scourge. They're basically your only quest givers in the Plaguelands, especially the Eastern Plaguelands prior to Cataclysm. There were just notable man and materiel constraints in no small part because they had few hardpoints to hide in.
again no they did not have orcs and Forsaken beyond a couple of notable INDIVIDUALS! thats a big difference from having them in the rank and file. The only people in the Argent Dawn that were Horde races were a few break offs from their faction, not representatives of it. Plus the Forsaken are outright evil at this point in heck I can't think of a time where the Forsaken didn't do extremely evil actions and slaughter hundreds of living innocents.
Given that the troll tribe that joined with the Horde is supposed to be tiny, the orcs fled the Eastern Kingdoms as a single group and left as few people behind as possible, the tauren are Kalimdor native and the Forsaken are evil, crazy and have issues, that's not all that bad.
Also AU plus we are NOT part of the Crusade nor are the Murlocs and yet they seemed to be fine with us, and with talking to the murlocs so your assessment of them is wrong here.
I was figuring we were early in the timeline; the corruption of the Scarlet Crusade has not yet taken hold, although it is having an influence.
Again AU and only the highest parts of the Crusade were racist. Also from what Morlune stated they obviously are not as bad as they were in canon. Also again there is a difference between being a puppet faction in all but name like the Argents were vs being a member nation in its own right.
The Scarlet Crusade may end up a member nation of the Alliance, but it'll be a member in name only. We'd have more in common with Theramore than with anything else, while the much more neutral position of the Argent Dawn makes it more likely the Horde and the Alliance will accept its claims of territory because in that case
their enemy doesn't have it. They both benefit more from an independent Argent Dawn, while the Scarlet Crusade has only 1 alliance option.
As I said I do not CARE if we are part of the Alliance I care if they control us and we can't do shit about it because we have no power without them. I do not like the Horde, they are a garbage faction full of the Evil races beyond the odd individual here and there.
Varok was a part of the original Horde which commited Genocide so he is Evil.
The Forsaken have yet to make it through an expansion that is not focused on another planet (BC) or just outright ignores the factions (legion) where they don't commit an act that is outright evil.
Thrall allows the Warsong to run among in Ashenvale until he abdicates. He also just fails to do much of anything to address all the crimes of the orcs and other leaders of the Horde.
The Tauren have the Bloodhoof clan which are as Racist as you say the crusade are.
The Goblins are willing to do ANYTHING for money even kill the planet they live on.
The Blood Elves up until BC worshipped demons basically.
Only the Trolls are actually half decent among the Horde.
Varok Saurfang is more neutral to me; make no mistake he has a
lot to answer for, but while he's not decided to dedicate his life to gaining redemption, he has nonetheless sought to better himself and teach the next generation of orcs to be better. He succeeded with Dranosh. Garrosh... not so much.
True on the Forsaken; it's a miracle they haven't been wiped off the face of Azeroth yet.
Thrall is powerful and influential, but he has limitations when it comes to controlling the orcs. That's part of the problems that the Horde has; the orcs are rather arrogant, selfish and violent, and hard to keep from screwing things up as a result.
You mean the Grimtotems, which are indeed very annoying (and end up betraying the rest of the Tauren in the lead up to Cataclysm). The remaining tribes are generally decent people.
Hey, mercenaries are mercenaries. Goblins are basically what you get when you create an anarchocapitalist society.
The Blood Elves don't have issues so much as subscriptions when it comes to a lot of things.
And yeah, the trolls on the whole are a rather decent bunch. Vol'Jin was awesome, and it's a real shame he's dead. That alone would've been enough for me to support destroying the Legion.
Partially. But there was also an influx of recruits a couple years back.
Would these be survivors from Marshal Garrithos' forces?
