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James Cameron Making Four 'Avatar' Sequels

UPDATED: James Cameron will make four "Avatar" sequels, promising that the films will start hitting theaters in 2018.
The creator of the original "Avatar," the 2009 fantasy epic that remains the all-time worldwide box office champion, said that his vision for a followup has expanded over time.
He first envisioned two sequels. But after meeting with a team of four screenwriters and a group of "some of the top artists and designers in the world," he realized that he had way too much material for just two films. He initially decided on three sequels, then jumped to four.
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As someone who liked the first film for what it was, I think I'd really be interesting in seeing where Cameron is going with this. Would be nice if he'd get some better performances as well though.
 
There's the usual warbling about how this is Fern Gully 2 and how it's plot should be pandora getting nuked from orbit, but after six years of that sort of gunk I'm going to be glad to be able to taste the tears of whiny HFY fanboys.
 
The longer he stays on Avatar the more likely it is he'll never get the chance to fuck up Gunnm.

Therefore, please, keep making Avatar Cameron.
 
I've got five bucks that it least one of them will be line for line the same as the first Avatar and he's betting no one will notice.
 
trob030490 said:
The longer he stays on Avatar the more likely it is he'll never get the chance to fuck up Gunnm.
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Honestly I think it would be cool if this was his stealth way of doing Battle Angel.

Like, suddenly humanities obsession with the magic space rocks to save their world and the main character's willingness to throw over humanity makes a hell of a lot more sense if Earth is Gunnm Earth, you know?
 
I would be thrilled if the first movie actually had, you know, anything resembling an original, intelligent plot.

Or...well, I'm not saying it didn't have any interesting worldbuilding. Sure, we never learned anything about Earth other than "it's shit", and the only thing we learned about the Na'vi was "like, super in touch with nature and totally awesome hunters" and the only thing we learned about the fauna was "super big and super strong, and there's this biological supercomputer".
But you know, it's possible to do interesting things with that. It doesn't have to be completely fleshed-out with the first movie after all. There's lots of possibility there.

But if the other movies don't have anything resembling a decent plot - what's the point?
 
Aaron Peori said:
Honestly I think it would be cool if this was his stealth way of doing Battle Angel.

Like, suddenly humanities obsession with the magic space rocks to save their world and the main character's willingness to throw over humanity makes a hell of a lot more sense if Earth is Gunnm Earth, you know?
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Gunnm Earth doesn't have interstellar travel and a US government with an army.

And Gunnm wouldn't actually really be aided by magic space rocks?

I mean, a meteor screwed up the ecosystem centuries ago and it eventually stabilized and kind of sucks, but works well enough; and wouldn't be aided all that much by better superconductors. Farming is going fine and the population is fairly low, where in Avatar the problem is that the population is too high.

And I don't really think it makes it make any more sense he'd want to throw away humanity for a pair of working legs if he lived in a setting where really cheap cybernetics are incredibly ubiquitous than in any other setting. It actually makes a lot less sense if he can buy some cheapo legs on the corner.

It just doesn't really fit at all. Avatar is a very very different setting.

Edit: If this was Gunnm Earth prior to Tepheres breaking away from the surface, then they would really care about having found another habitable planet, but not because of the space rocks.

It'd just be because it was a habitable planet to spread to to insure humanity isn't wiped out completely by the next asteroid. Gunnm is high powered sci fi that never escaped the solar system.
 
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trob030490 said:
What was the game adaptation's story like in comparison to the movie?
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It branches into either the RDA fighting the much more aggressive Tipani clan (actually in an official war with the RDA unlike the Omaticaya) to make sure there are enough resources to keep things okay on Earth (you need to read a lot of stuff on the ingame wiki to learn the full story) or join the Tipani and protect them from the RDA who are taking resources away. Both stories end with fighting the guy in charge of Hell's Gate gone rogue so that he can't fuck up Pandora's environment to the point it would attack both RDA and Na'vi.

Both the RDA and the Tipani need Pandora's resources, and there isn't enough for everyone. Both sides involve fighting important members of the enemy side, like the anti-human Beyda'amo or the explosives specialist "Boom Boom" Batista.
 
Serafina said:
I would be thrilled if the first movie actually had, you know, anything resembling an original, intelligent plot.

Or...well, I'm not saying it didn't have any interesting worldbuilding. Sure, we never learned anything about Earth other than "it's shit", and the only thing we learned about the Na'vi was "like, super in touch with nature and totally awesome hunters" and the only thing we learned about the fauna was "super big and super strong, and there's this biological supercomputer".
But you know, it's possible to do interesting things with that. It doesn't have to be completely fleshed-out with the first movie after all. There's lots of possibility there.

But if the other movies don't have anything resembling a decent plot - what's the point?
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Overall the Na'vi world gave the impression of a civilization that went transhumanist at a point in the distant past, and decided to use bioengineering so that they could have their one-with-nature naive environmentalist utopia complete with biological USBs so they could fly around on dragons, then upload themselves when they get bored. Of course by the point of the movie the remaining Na'vi have long forgotten things.
 
tankdrop24 said:
Considering Avatar is the current highest grossing film of all time not adjusting for inflation, are you really surprised?
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I can see the reasoning, but at the same time it's a film that had basically no impact on pop culture and there are a lot fewer dead zones in film schedule than there were in 2009. Still if he can pull it off, more power to him.
 
tankdrop24 said:
Considering Avatar is the current highest grossing film of all time not adjusting for inflation, are you really surprised?
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A little! Not that we're getting a sequel, that was inevitable. But four sequels, spaced 2-3 years apart? Planned already? That's a lot of logistics and planning and momentum that seems unnecessary. Especially since it's a very expensive style of movie. Why not just one sequel? Planning for the next, sure, but four more movies is going all in in a way Hollywood has been reluctant to. I wonder to what extent this is sort of bandwagonning on the sort of long term stuff Marvel did and worked.
 
Acatalepsy said:
A little! Not that we're getting a sequel, that was inevitable. But four sequels, spaced 2-3 years apart? Planned already? That's a lot of logistics and planning and momentum that seems unnecessary. Especially since it's a very expensive style of movie. Why not just one sequel? Planning for the next, sure, but four more movies is going all in in a way Hollywood has been reluctant to. I wonder to what extent this is sort of bandwagonning on the sort of long term stuff Marvel did and worked.
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I think a lot of it might be that this seems to be a big passion project for James Cameron.
 
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