The Qi is already spent I think. It cost 5 to activate and has no maintenance cost
The Dao of the Awakened, a Xianxia/Cultivation Quest
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The qi cost for our movement technique is already paid, and it will last an hour, which is longer than the expected time we'll be in this engagement. If we deactivate the technique, then it will cost 5 qi to reactivate it if we wanted to do that.
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The one we'd be helping out with as a distraction is also wounded and ending the path won't actually make us save any QI because it's flat 5 Qi cost to start. If anything, depending on how it works, we'd be risking having to spend another 5 to reactivate again for the path when we need it again.
This. While the hit to our attack dice looks nasty on the surface the benefits of it allowing us to flit around the fight are definitely worth it.
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Uh not that i disagree with your argument or anything but we don't actually get an additional dodge dice from EDP like you are suggesting.
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I mean technically we helped out and got net bonuses in this round of fighting, but i also dont think we'll look good to the elders floating around and fumbling about.
I mean we might be trying to fight as a team, but the goal of this exercise is to impress our elders. I dont know if what we've been doing is more impressive than just lucky
I think we need to deactivate the tech to show we can actually fight competently.
I mean we might be trying to fight as a team, but the goal of this exercise is to impress our elders. I dont know if what we've been doing is more impressive than just lucky
I think we need to deactivate the tech to show we can actually fight competently.
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I'm thinking we stop using the Wooden Hand. We're not trying to end these guys ourselves, just set them up for our allies. We should add something like;
-[] Stop using the Wooden Hand, rather move as feels most natural when using the Levin Step and our light weight from EDP
-[] Stop using the Wooden Hand, rather move as feels most natural when using the Levin Step and our light weight from EDP
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[X] Continue being a distraction.
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Sorry, got it mixed up with the plus one from the Levin Path. It just allows to pick and choose our engagements on whatever terms we prefer, up to and including hitting them from angles their attention isn't on.
I can understand this sentiment. Theirs's obviously two ways this can be judged, right? Unfortunately, the cultivation genre is the kind of genre we're it's basically in the air whether the lesson is going to be 'teamwork is for losers, only personal might matters' or 'we're looking for cultivators dedicated too WINNING battles, not just fighting in them.' Either this can be solely about personal combat prowess in which case helping our opponents is purely counterproductive and if anything we'd technically be better off doing anything we can to make them look worse. This would be pretty bad, considering if this is the case we're screwed either way because we're not actually top 16 in our class good, and probably look even worse when compared to the other people here who are some of the best in our class.
Of course if they only wanted to see that, it'd be much easier for them to just set us up in sparring like they've been doing or hold a tournament or something. But they chose to set us up as a unit against another larger force of foes in what is likely to be not to dissimilar from the sort of fights the Broken Tree is called upon that actually matter outside the sect.
I think it's much more likely their looking for people who can best contribute to military engagements like this is a facsimile of, both in terms of intuition and ability. From there, it's not too hard too train such people up with the personal attention of your best martial arts teachers regardless of where they started at.
Everything about this scenario and the background of the sect acting as a military force points to me that they're able to recognize the value that Hua Yin is contributing to the fight. As for whether it looks more impressive then lucky, obviously this is all governed by rolls, but we just saw Hua Yin get in pretty impressive hit against a foe at the end of this section and narratively he seems to be getting the hang of fighting this ways.
We don't actually know any other ways to fight, and given moving as feels most natural in combat usually does not produce results conducive to beating people up or avoiding being beat up irl, I don't think we should abandon most of we know about fighting. Mechanically, we still benefited from the armor it gave us against the second ghost and the damage boost we get it from Wooden Hand is still helpful in the face of our damage getting halved by path.
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[X] Continue being a distraction.
-[X] Stop using the Wooden Hand, rather move as feels most natural when using the Levin Step and our light weight from EDP
Our increased ability to dodge and distract opponents is more valuable than a couple of extra damage if we hit. Our allies like Ming Xue are using actual weapons and as such have far higher damage output than we do. We are best served assisting them in landing those blows.
-[X] Stop using the Wooden Hand, rather move as feels most natural when using the Levin Step and our light weight from EDP
Our increased ability to dodge and distract opponents is more valuable than a couple of extra damage if we hit. Our allies like Ming Xue are using actual weapons and as such have far higher damage output than we do. We are best served assisting them in landing those blows.
We don't but it's better than continuing to use the Wooden Hand. It's armor is already spent, it's extra damage is minimal, and it's eating two of our dodge dice. It's also just not compatible with EDP which is probably having narritive effects on how we're handling the fight.
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[X] Continue being a distraction
Again, I don't think stopping using our only martial style in favor of randomly flailing about however we naturally feel like doing in the middle of a fight will help us out at all, really. We're still benefiting from the Wooden Hand's +2 damage and their's no suggestion that suddenly using it will make any of the Path's malus go away.
Again, I don't think stopping using our only martial style in favor of randomly flailing about however we naturally feel like doing in the middle of a fight will help us out at all, really. We're still benefiting from the Wooden Hand's +2 damage and their's no suggestion that suddenly using it will make any of the Path's malus go away.
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[X] Continue being a distraction
I'm not expecting EDP mechanical malus to go away. I'm looking to drop WH's malus to our dodge along with the narrative malus of trying to use it at the same time as EDP.
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Narrative effects that Hua Yin has started to overcome by the last exchange we read, and we're still a extremely effective dodger with it. Plus in a system with wound penalties while dealing with halved damage, have a base damage of 4 instead of 2 is likely to be extremely effective. After all, we're not much of a distraction if the barbarians know we can't actually do anything to them and they can safely ignore us.
Plus, if anything, i'd expect fighting by randomly flailing around however we feel like is likely to produce maluses given how many details have affected combat rolls so far.
[X] Continue being a distraction.
Yeah, if they really just wanted the straight-up best fighters, they wouldn't even need to hold this exam. The instructor has already seen how well each of the new disciples who have attended the class regularly can fight, and how much those disciples have improved. They already know who the best fighters are. But they're looking for more than that - they want to find the disciples best suited for leading this new crop of disciples into battle. They're trying to pick out who should be the officers the rest of the sect's will soldiers answer to, who can be the pillars that are relied upon to achieve victory.
Further, it should be kept in mind that this is gong to be a multi-wave battle. The current opponents will not be the last opponents. This wave is a pretty straightforward 10v10, but next wave might have a larger number of weak opponents, or a smaller selection of elites, or some other difference. Regardless, we need to win this wave first, and be in a good enough state that we can fight the next one. The same goes for the rest of the group. And by being a distraction, we can better serve in this wave to ensure everyone has more qi and health to fight in the next wave.
Yeah, if they really just wanted the straight-up best fighters, they wouldn't even need to hold this exam. The instructor has already seen how well each of the new disciples who have attended the class regularly can fight, and how much those disciples have improved. They already know who the best fighters are. But they're looking for more than that - they want to find the disciples best suited for leading this new crop of disciples into battle. They're trying to pick out who should be the officers the rest of the sect's will soldiers answer to, who can be the pillars that are relied upon to achieve victory.
Further, it should be kept in mind that this is gong to be a multi-wave battle. The current opponents will not be the last opponents. This wave is a pretty straightforward 10v10, but next wave might have a larger number of weak opponents, or a smaller selection of elites, or some other difference. Regardless, we need to win this wave first, and be in a good enough state that we can fight the next one. The same goes for the rest of the group. And by being a distraction, we can better serve in this wave to ensure everyone has more qi and health to fight in the next wave.
[X] Continue being a distraction.
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[X] Continue being a distraction.
-[X] Stop using the Wooden Hand, rather move as feels most natural when using the Levin Step and our light weight from EDP
-[X] Stop using the Wooden Hand, rather move as feels most natural when using the Levin Step and our light weight from EDP
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But there is also the consideration of "yes you tried to help your allies hua yin and that is commendable, but you would have been a greater help to you allies had you followed your training. Using techniques for the first time in real battle is a foolish move that could put yours and your comrades lives at risk. Regardless of however this engagement ended up"
I'd hardly say we'd be randomly flailing. We do have Unarmed at level two outside of Wooden Hand. Hua Yin is not unskilled at unarmed fighting.
Well, if so, we already did that.
It's frustrating, though, because I'm not sure why we waited till now, IC, to try it in combat. We've been studying it all week. We had tutoring for the tech. We had a mechanics breakdown. Mechanically, we've learned the technique. Do we now need to specify a sparring session after learning our techs?
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If so then we've screwed up regardless because it already happened. Getting rid of our the ability that most allow us to effect and even dictate the flow of battle would be a even more foolish move now that we've seen how helpful it is, and if they see activating at all as a mistake, the absolutely best thing we can do is contribute the best which can we means continuing our skirmishing. Intentionally hobbling our ability to contribute now won't win us back any brownie points.
All of our skill from Unarmed Fighting was gained from us practicing unarmed fighting in the context of learning the Wooden hand martial arts style. It's a entire martial style that governs most of our fighting ability, from our strikes, to our counters, even to the way we stand not just some discrete technique like the Levin Step or throwing a fireball. It's like asking someone whose only ever learned to fight by boxing to intentionally eschew anything they've learned from fighting that way without knowing any other way to fight. Even if it was even possible, which is arguable, the result generally isn't going to look pretty.
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[X] Continue being a distraction.
We are not good enough at punching to have a chance to solo one of them. Even on the ground, our offensive punch is weak. We do seem to be handy as a distraction, and making a difference a few times feels like a contribution. Either they value that or they don't. I don't think we will qualify if they only value takedowns.
We could try to organize our peers as opposition falls and protect people or speed up fights.
We are not good enough at punching to have a chance to solo one of them. Even on the ground, our offensive punch is weak. We do seem to be handy as a distraction, and making a difference a few times feels like a contribution. Either they value that or they don't. I don't think we will qualify if they only value takedowns.
We could try to organize our peers as opposition falls and protect people or speed up fights.
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Theres a difference between a small mistake that we fix quickly and a mistake which we perpetuate and refuse to correct. If they see this as a mistake or we start to hinder our team rather with our fumbling, then we look far worse than trying something new. Realizing it needs more testing/practice and then reverting back to the tried and true. Keep in mind we havent even tried to fight normall using our levin technique yet.