Super Dimension Magical Girl Lyrical Skitter [Worm/MGLN]
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In the middle of her transformation sequence, resulting in a really odd looking barrier jacket.
If that happened, she would have noticed when she first started moving around.
...Since when does the TSAB give out PRT ratings?
- Location
- Crackship Space!
They dont. It's a joke.
Richardson
CAN YOU HEAR THE PEOPLE SING?
- Location
- Yes
Alternatively, QA realizes the connection and need of its host have changed, and switches from administration of bugs to administrating info and/or freaky technomagical abominations.
So, when Taylor realizes she suddenly has transformed her device into a halberd, she realizes that no, Skitter: You are the Armsmaster now.
So, when Taylor realizes she suddenly has transformed her device into a halberd, she realizes that no, Skitter: You are the Armsmaster now.
mdkcde
"Emotions are prohibited"
- Location
- Nani Sore?
And then Taylor was a workhaolic recluse with poor social skills... wait.
azoicennead
Overly-Affectionate Zombie Squad
- Pronouns
- He/They
Colin scratched his head in confusion.
"When did I get boxers? And why do they have butterflies on them?"
ecs05norway
Zenryoku Zenkai!
Somewhere entirely ELSE, the girl who doesn't know that her previous life went by the name "Rebecca Costa-Brown" purchases a lunchbox.
Sorry in advance for my mini-rant here, it's a bit of a pet peeve. Story is otherwise excellent.
This right here doesn't really work. For someone other then Nanoha this may very well true. The magic system that Nanoha uses is heavily math based and so the processing power of devices is very useful, especially in the heat of battle, and many mages may very well be unable to do the calculations for complex spells on their own or with only the limited processing power and mana management of a civ-Device. But Nanoha is a math prodigy, this is one of the reasons why she got so good at magic so quickly. She is also very, very powerful. There isn't any reason why she wouldn't be able to provide the power or do all the math needed for virtually any spell she knows well on her own, especially if she has the time to focus on it. We've seen several mages casting spells without devices, Yuuno, Arf and Lindy to name a few. Yuuno in particular casts several very complex spells without any device assistance. Also, Nanoha not being able to punch through a half inch of hullplate is kinda ridiculous. We've seen her punch through like a hundred feet of much more advanced armor plate while under an AMF (admittedly yes, that was with Raising heart, with the cartridge and booster systems engaged but still).
You can find more information on general Devices on the Nanoha Wiki here, and specifically on Raising Heart here. But in a nutshell:
Devices provide three major services to mages:
1) Processing power for the complex math required.
2) Mana regulation, allowing for efficient spell casting.
3) Can provide mana acceleration, mostly for power intensive battle spells where a shortened charge time is desired, working somewhat like a electrical step up transformer, increasing the speed of the mana flow, but not the power.
(This is of course excluding the cartridge system which uses previously stored power to boost the total available amount for a brief time, or the blaster system which basically turns off a linker core's safeties. Which Nanoha doesn't really need anyway, unless she's doing something crazy like punching a Divine Buster through a hundred feet of armor plate while under an AMF, or firing five simultaneous Starlight Breakers.)
TL;DR While a lesser mage might be restricted with just a civ-Device, Nanoha would just be slowed a bit, and only then with her really power house spells.
So if you want to limit Nanoha, the better idea would be to have the pirates put output limiters on them both. That the pirates would leave them any devices at all is already seriously stretching things. But I know that's necessary. Nanoha can cast just fine without a Device, but you want to show off Taylor's coding skills, and she's not yet skilled enough with magic to do it all in her head.
Also, I know early fansubs rendered Raising Heart's name as "Raging Heart". But the official spelling has since been confirmed as "Raising Heart" in the bonus information card that accompanied the official anime DVDs.
This right here doesn't really work. For someone other then Nanoha this may very well true. The magic system that Nanoha uses is heavily math based and so the processing power of devices is very useful, especially in the heat of battle, and many mages may very well be unable to do the calculations for complex spells on their own or with only the limited processing power and mana management of a civ-Device. But Nanoha is a math prodigy, this is one of the reasons why she got so good at magic so quickly. She is also very, very powerful. There isn't any reason why she wouldn't be able to provide the power or do all the math needed for virtually any spell she knows well on her own, especially if she has the time to focus on it. We've seen several mages casting spells without devices, Yuuno, Arf and Lindy to name a few. Yuuno in particular casts several very complex spells without any device assistance. Also, Nanoha not being able to punch through a half inch of hullplate is kinda ridiculous. We've seen her punch through like a hundred feet of much more advanced armor plate while under an AMF (admittedly yes, that was with Raising heart, with the cartridge and booster systems engaged but still).
You can find more information on general Devices on the Nanoha Wiki here, and specifically on Raising Heart here. But in a nutshell:
Devices provide three major services to mages:
1) Processing power for the complex math required.
2) Mana regulation, allowing for efficient spell casting.
3) Can provide mana acceleration, mostly for power intensive battle spells where a shortened charge time is desired, working somewhat like a electrical step up transformer, increasing the speed of the mana flow, but not the power.
(This is of course excluding the cartridge system which uses previously stored power to boost the total available amount for a brief time, or the blaster system which basically turns off a linker core's safeties. Which Nanoha doesn't really need anyway, unless she's doing something crazy like punching a Divine Buster through a hundred feet of armor plate while under an AMF, or firing five simultaneous Starlight Breakers.)
TL;DR While a lesser mage might be restricted with just a civ-Device, Nanoha would just be slowed a bit, and only then with her really power house spells.
So if you want to limit Nanoha, the better idea would be to have the pirates put output limiters on them both. That the pirates would leave them any devices at all is already seriously stretching things. But I know that's necessary. Nanoha can cast just fine without a Device, but you want to show off Taylor's coding skills, and she's not yet skilled enough with magic to do it all in her head.
Also, I know early fansubs rendered Raising Heart's name as "Raging Heart". But the official spelling has since been confirmed as "Raising Heart" in the bonus information card that accompanied the official anime DVDs.
ecs05norway
Zenryoku Zenkai!
Kuro_Neko, we've already discussed all of this previously in the thread and your every point has been refuted. If you can't be arsed to read it, I'm not going to bother dignifying any further spam from you with a response.
Frakir's brother
Goodbye.
- Location
- The Sea of Trees
Look, every single point you have tried to make has already been discussed many times over. The basic answer was that while Nanoha could blast her way out, the container was designed in a way that would probably kill them both to do so.
And there's the issue that even if she doesn't need the civilian device she has to cast spells it would still be useful for later and she would probably fry it by blasting the door down. Which Nanoha acknowledges, then turns to Taylor and asks if she has any ideas, then Taylor pulls out the drill.
Well excuse me. I just found this fic and didn't feel like reading through twenty-six pages of comments on the off-chance they might address my comment. There's no call for you to be rude about it. Especially since I obviously went through some effort trying to be helpful. That is the exact opposite attitude to take if you want to encourage feedback. I know I certainly won't be posting anything again. In fact... I have enough fics on my plate already, ones where the authors are actually polite and encourage feedback, so I'm just going to unwatch this and pretend I never came here.
Walker of Paths
All Things Die
- Location
- To Be Honest, I Don't Know Either.
You're cool people. [/s]
ultima333
Lazy Snug Youkai
>too much work to check for replies
>Well, excuuUUUSE ME, Princess.
Ok have fun!
That little bitchfest isn't gaining you any favors. Cool your head.
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
Duck and cover!
I really shouldn't be writing this, because it's obvious everyone in here is against me, but I just can't help it. What part of my calling the author on their rudeness is 'bitching'? I spent a decent amount of effort writing a piece of constructive criticism and the author's response was a, that I was too lazy to read the other twenty-two pages of comments (which has some truth to it but is still rude to say), b, that my post was spam (which is definitely wasn't, even if the points had been brought up before), and c, that on the basis of that one post I would be ignored from then on (which was again rude, among other things). Was my response rude or insulting in return? No, though you're all reacting though it was. It just pointed out that the response was rude, that I was insulted by it, and that it had driven me away from any further interest in helping or even continuing reading.
edit: you all, the author especially, are acting as if I committed some horrible faux pas. This common in serial forum fiction. Not everyone is going to have been reading from the first time you posted, and new readers are highly unlikely to read anything but the story posts. If certain comments keep getting repeated then perhaps that's an indication that those things need to be addressed in-story, rather then assuming many people are taking the time to spam you intentionally with the same comments. This whole thing could have been prevented by like two lines of inserted dialog in the most recent chapter:
Taylor: Aren't you supposed to be some sort of magical powerhouse?
Nanoha: That's actually the problem, this is too small-scale/fragile for my skills.
There, problem solved. But instead of doing that, or even just saying "I'm aware of this and it'll be addressed" the author decides to be rude and insulting instead. This is not the way to welcome, or hold on to, new readers.
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ecs05norway
Zenryoku Zenkai!
@Kuro_Neko: Yes, I was a little rude, and I'm sorry for that. It's just that things got a little heated discussing this issue when I was actually writing the episode, and (along with some RL problems) it pushed me off from writing the story for a while. I've only recently managed to get back into it. The issues you raised -were- brought up, and discussed, and resolved to the satisfaction of all involved. I'm honestly not sure if the thread has the updated version of the final scene, I know I posted a draft of it separately but I may not have updated the actual story post.
Apology accepted. I too will apologize for any past issues I my fervor might have dragged up. As much as I like Taylor, I'm a Nanoha fanboy as well. Her power and/or skill seeming to be disparaged rubs me the wrong way, which may have caused me to be a little over enthusiastic in her defense. I'll put this back on my watch list but honestly I'm unlikely to be providing any more in-depth feedback in the near future; Once burned and all that. Perhaps some lurking will change that over time. To be completely clear, I did enjoy this story and I do hope you continue with it.
ecs05norway
Zenryoku Zenkai!
Thanks.
Nanoha isn't being 'disparaged' here, it's just that you're coming at it from the wrong point in her timeline.
This isn't StrikerS-era Nanoha who can hand-cast a single Buster strong enough to stop a combat cyborg in her tracks.
This is a Nanoha who is first off, several years younger, and second, got fast-tracked into the TSAB officer's academy instead of going right into fieldwork as an enlisted grunt.
Yes, she can cast bare-brain and is a powerhouse, but she is not (yet) good enough yet to combine a) blasting through heavily reinforced metal walls, b) doing so fast enough not to bring the guards down on them, and c) shield herself and Taylor from the resulting backblast.
And, perhaps more importantly, she wants to see what Taylor will do. She is, after all, a security squad leader in a classified facility, to which Taylor is technically an unauthorized (if unintentional) intruder.
Nanoha isn't being 'disparaged' here, it's just that you're coming at it from the wrong point in her timeline.
This isn't StrikerS-era Nanoha who can hand-cast a single Buster strong enough to stop a combat cyborg in her tracks.
This is a Nanoha who is first off, several years younger, and second, got fast-tracked into the TSAB officer's academy instead of going right into fieldwork as an enlisted grunt.
Yes, she can cast bare-brain and is a powerhouse, but she is not (yet) good enough yet to combine a) blasting through heavily reinforced metal walls, b) doing so fast enough not to bring the guards down on them, and c) shield herself and Taylor from the resulting backblast.
And, perhaps more importantly, she wants to see what Taylor will do. She is, after all, a security squad leader in a classified facility, to which Taylor is technically an unauthorized (if unintentional) intruder.
Warning: Warning
- Location
- Singapore
warning
Everyone calm down, before I have to do something.
That's a really good point, I hadn't considered the multitasking issues. Nanoha could manage any one of those items by themselves easily enough, but all three would I agree be difficult without Device support. It's possible she could prime them ahead of time, doing the bulk of the heavy lifting before getting down to crunch time, and probably would if there was no other option. But I can definitely see that as an issue she'd consider, especially with a (theoretically) defenseless civilian there to worry about as well.
Also a very valid point.
It'd be great if either or both those points were shown in the chapter, but in fairness the chapter ended mid-scene with very little time shown of them in that situation. You could very well plan to have that as a point when the scene re-opens at the beginning of the next chapter. I think at least in part the confusion comes from how it's stated Nanoha considers her mana reserves before answering the question. Nanoha has more then enough power. Even probably enough control (considering her tin can training). It's the multi-tasking, as you said, that would be the sticking point. Which is actually really clever, since that's really the only place where Taylor exceeds Nanoha (except probably body count, Nanoha not being a killer).