Quest Timeline
This is going to be the official canon timeline for the quest. I couldn't find any definitive source on the timing of graduation day, but several factors have led me to choose the date I did. I'm going to make this page actually as spoiler light as possible so new questers can use it while catching up without spoiling themselves. Anyone who ever notices inconsistencies on this page should speak up.

June 1999
Tuesday the 1st S3E22

Tuesday the 1st S3.5E1.I
Wednesday the 2nd S3.5E1.II-V

Thursday the 3rd S3.5E2.I-II
Friday the 4th S3.5E2.II-IV
Saturday the 5th S3.5E2.V

Saturday the 5th S3.5E3.I
Sunday the 6th S3.5E3.I-V

Thursday the 10th S3.5E4.I-III
Friday the 11th S3.5E4.IV-VII
Sunday the 13th S3.5E4.VII

Thursday the 17th S3.5E5.I-II
Friday the 18th S3.5E5.II-III
Saturday the 19th S3.5E5.III-IV

Saturday the 19th S3.5E6.I-III
Sunday the 20th S3.5E6.III-V
Monday the 21st S3.5E6.VI

Tuesday the 29th S3.5E7.I-IV
Wednesday the 30th S3.5E7.IV-V

July 1999
Saturday the 10th S3.5E8.I
Monday the 12th S3.5E8.II-V
Tuesday the 13th S3.5E8.VI

Saturday the 17th S3.5E9.I
Sunday the 18th S3.5E9.II-VII

Friday the 23rd S3.5E10.I-II
Saturday the 24th S3.5E10.II-V

Friday the 30th S3.5E11.I-II
Saturday the 31st S3.5E11.II-III


August 1999
Tuesday the 3rd S3.5E11.IV-VII
Saturday the 7th S3.5E11.VII

Thursday the 12th S3.5E12.I-II
Friday the 13th S3.5E12.III-IV
Saturday the 14th S3.5E12.IV

Sunday the 15th S3.5E13.I-III
Monday the 16th
S3.5E13.III-VI
Tuesday the 17th S3.5E13.VI

Thursday the 19th S3.5E14.I-II
Friday the 20th S3.5E14.III-V
Saturday the 21st S3.5E14.V-VI

Saturday the 28th S3.5E15.I-II
Sunday the 29th S3.5E15.II-IV
Monday the 30th S3.5E15.V
Tuesday the 31st S3.5E15.V-VI

September 1999
Wednesday the 1st S3.5E16

Wednesday the 1st S4.0E1.I-IV
Thursday the 2nd S4.0E1.IV-V, S4.0E2.I-II

Friday the 3rd S4.0E2.II-III
Saturday the 4th S4.0E2.III
Sunday the 5th S4.0E2.IV-VII

Wednesday the 8th S4.0E3.I-II
Thursday the 9th S4.0E3.III-V

Friday the 10th S4.0E4

Friday the 10th S4.0E5.I
Saturday the 11th S4.0E5.I-III
Sunday the 12th S4.0E5.III-VII
Monday the 13th S4.0E5.VII

Thursday the 16th S4.0E6.I-II
Friday the 17th S4.0E6.III
Tuesday the 21st S4.0E6.IV-V

October 1999
Wednesday the 13th S4.0E7.I-II
Thursday the 14th S4.0E7.III-VIII

Sunday the 17th S4.0E8.I
Saturday the 23rd S4.0E8.II
Sunday the 24th S4.0E8.II-IV
Monday the 25th S4.0E8.IV-VI

Tuesday the 26th S4.0E9.I-III
Wednesday the 27th S4.0E9.III-IV
Sunday the 31st S4.0E9.V

November 1999
Monday the 1st S4.0E10.I
Tuesday the 2nd S4.0E10.II-IV

Wednesday the 3rd S4.0E11.I
Thursday the 4th S4.0E11.I-III

Saturday the 6th S4.0E11.IV, S4.0E12.I-VII

Sunday the 7th S4.0E12.VII

Monday the 8th S4.0E13.I
Tuesday the 9th S4.0E13.I-VI

Monday the 15th S4.0E14.I
Monday the 23rd S4.0E14.II-III
Tuesday the 24th S4.0E14.IV
Thursday the 26th S4.0E14.V
Friday the 27th S4.0E14.VI, S4.0E15.I-II

Saturday the 28th S4.0E15.II
Saturday the 28th-Monday the 30th S4.0E15.III

December 1999
Tuesday the 1st-Saturday the 5th S4.0E15.III
Sunday the 6th S4.0E15.IV-V

Tuesday the 8th S4.0E16.I
 
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So, more thoughts and ideas. Note, they are utilitarian, without much, if any, consideration for morality of the characters involved.

1) We need to carefully investigate how vampire ensouling ritual works, and what toll it exerts upon the caster. Canonically it is left very unclear, and, in principle, it might not have a high, if any cost. If the ritual is safe, both for the user and for the target, then Ford's "become vampire to cure terminal illness" plan becomes an actually viable medical procedure. As such, I would propose we actually institute said medical procedure, as well as "catch and convert" program for vampires for whom we can establish that their original human selves were highly moral upstanding people. We desperately need more muscle, and this is a viable way to get it. In principle, this also allows for medical tourism for uber-rich to become a source of income. If the ritual is easy enough, implementing this for all fledges converted in the city would allow us to quickly get the vampiric infestation under control, as each new fledge will be on our side, rather than vampire infestation side, and will then limit further spread of the epidemic.

In principle, Buffy's morality should allow this to be implemented, as she didn't see it as wrong to re-ensoul Angel, rather than dusting him.

2) I already talked about this, but Marcie Ross gaining super powers due to reality thinning effect of the hellmouth is something that needs to be both carefully investigated and exploited as much as possible. When we rebuild the school (and this is likely to be a priority, as we'll need a lot of new hires if we are to vitalize the economy and build up the town), it's going to be on the hellmouth. We should check if the effect is limited to the school grounds, or can be produced all over the town - I suspect it's all over the town, and the Sunnydale effect is part of it. I also suspect that the previous mayor didn't employ it much - it's very much a "superscience" effect, rather than magic effect, and he was an old warlock. If the effect can be controlled, then the education and school life definitely need to be tailored in such a way as to use it. If it can turn someone invisible, then at the very least physical boosts, such as super strength (simply use hollowed out weights in the gym, making students believe that their "new special training program" is super-effective) should be doable. Super mental speed (tamper with clocks during tests), possibly other super powers might br grantable long term, and at some point such memetically driven effects might become self-propagating. This is a long-term project, likely to take at least two or three years to come into fruition, but well worth the investment in my opinion.

3) We are going to be dealing with Initiative soon. No way they can sneak constructing a large underground base past the town hall that's actually there and is trying to unearth as much information about the city as possible. Now, what to do with and about them is a question. Personally, I am for mutually beneficial symbiosis. They can make use of supertech, bring in additional money, etc. Going back to point 2, if we make them aware of Marcie Ross (likely taken by a different government agency), working out a "Captain America" program should not be hard.

4) We are going to need magic users. It's too valuable a resource to be left solely in the hands of hostile forces.

I have many more thoughts, really, but for now these should suffice to hopefully spark some discussion.
 
I already talked about this, but Marcie Ross gaining super powers due to reality thinning effect of the hellmouth is something that needs to be both carefully investigated and exploited as much as possible.

I was going to somewhat trollishly say that all the characters had forgotten about Marcie already due to the nature of her effect, but Xander lampshades her in S6 and she gets mentioned a few later times too it seems, so I reluctantly concede that they remember she exists. As for actually manipulating the metaphysics of that, I won't make any claims one way or another.

EDIT: The whole Marcie thing is really weird though, since she and her weird organization didn't come up with the Initiative. Season 1 bizarreness, most likely.
 
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I was going to somewhat trollishly say that all the characters had forgotten about Marcie already due to the nature of her effect, but Xander lampshades her in S6 and she gets mentioned a few later times too it seems, so I reluctantly concede that they remember she exists. As for actually manipulating the metaphysics of that, I won't make any claims one way or another.

EDIT: The whole Marcie thing is really weird though, since she and her weird organization didn't come up with the Initiative. Season 1 bizarreness, most likely.
The most interesting question is - where did other invisible kids come from? They couldn't all be from Sunnydale. We know that Hellmouths are not that common. So, the effect might be possible to create even outside Hellmouths.

You could probably tie the whole thing in with Initiative. Say that normally it takes vastly more effort to induce the invisibility effect. Have Marcie's case investigated, which results in the discovery of the population of demons in Sunnydale. Then Initiative moves in after Wilkins dies.
 
3) We are going to be dealing with Initiative soon. No way they can sneak constructing a large underground base past the town hall that's actually there and is trying to unearth as much information about the city as possible. Now, what to do with and about them is a question.
I expect that they will be the one having the... initiative... when it comes to approaching and deciding what to do about the changed circumstances. The construction should be done before the current point so it would take looking back and figuring things out from paperwork to find out about them, and the bureaucracy at this point is a bit of a nightmare. Meanwhile they can look at the town hall and see a child is the mayor now, and that a bunch of the new college kids are suddenly interning under her. They will be tipped off before Buffy and co will be.
 
I'm not so sure on what way to tip the scale. More towards this, or that.

But getting our gang of interns involved was a good move, means more delegation and getting more things done.

How much did the mayor embezzle anyhow?
Right.
Ill tentatively vote for spend - for now. That'd make the ratio of spend and save 50/50
[x] Spend Money. Buffy's confident they can make the town will pay for itself soon enough.

I don't want Buffy to sell parts of the town to other people, mainly. I'm fine with the gang being made up of unpaid interns.
 
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50/50. Budget argument hidden scene unlocked.

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Adhoc vote count started by DeAnno on Feb 24, 2019 at 3:13 PM, finished with 22 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] Save Money. Buffy isn't sure they'll have as easy a time financing things as Wilkins did.
    [x] Spend Money. Buffy's confident they can make the town will pay for itself soon enough.
    -[X] Try raiding various tombs, ancient burials and such for loot that can be converted into money to cover the situation until we can start producing money as a town.
    --[X] Have a team of people start going through old records, maps, and such to find locations of such locations
    -[X] Talk to Willow and Jonathan about commercializing the technology of Ted's robotic body and Moloch's robotic avatar.
    -[X] Select a member of your stuff, fully explain the idea, get their consent, then start an aggressive memetic campaign to make it seem like they are supernaturally good with money. If public opinion could turn Marcie invisible, why can't it make someone an economy wizard? Perhaps literally.
    -[X] Look into increasing blood donations, perhaps instituting pay for donations, and coopting blood sale for non-human residents. It galls Buffy as a Slayer, but doing so would allow her to track vampires better and would actually protect human citizens. A fed vampire doesn't need to hunt, after all.
    --[X] For vampires willing to cooperate with this, find them jobs. Maybe hunting other vampires? Or night construction.
 
So, speaking of budgets, vampires and the Initiative. There are potentially at least two vampiric abilities (or, rather, properties) that can be used to turn them into free energy generators:

1) Vampires have no reflections. Assuming this is not a mental illusion effect, but rather a physical effect, this means that vampire placed inside a hall of mirrors works as a magical cooling device that breaks conservation of energy into the minus direction. Here is a calc:
A calc on the subject of vampiric cooling system.

First of all, how it works:

Vampires are ambient temperature. Vampires absorb and emit light, as they can be seen.

Vampires don't have reflections in mirrors. Vampiric clothes don't reflect in mirrors.

Trap a vampire in a chamber where all surfaces are mirrors. Radiative heat emitted by a vampire (all bodies emit heat) will not get reflected from the mirrors. The sum total energy of the system will decrease at a steady rate (proportional to the fourth power of the vampire's body temperature).

That's the basic principle. One can do upgrades of course. The simplest one is to wrap a vampire in layers of foil that will be reflective on one side and black on the other. Because the wraps would count as clothes, they won't be reflected in the reflective surfaces either. Including the reflective sides of the wraps themselves. Thus, cooling.

On how effective it is. For a vampire weighing 60 kg and with the height of 170 cm, body surface area is 1.7 m^2. With clothes, it can be at least doubled, possibly increased by an order of magnitude or more with the two-sided wrappings I proposed above. Using Stephen-Boltzmann law, a black body at 310 K (40C) radiates 524 W/m^2.

So, at the very least one vampire would be constantly destroying 888 W of heat. With some clever tricks (like heating it up more, if it won't get destroyed, the wrapping idea and such), it may go up by an order of magnitude, I feel, up to almost 9 kW of power / waste heat destroyed.

Which is quite good, I feel.
This means that a vampire in a mirrored coffin works as ~1 kW magical heatsink. Given a magical heatsink, aheat engine can be constructed. The simplest solution, mechanically, would be to make a thermoelectric generator.

Make a mirrored coffin, with vacuum in it (to minimize heat transfer that's not radiation based). Cover it in thermoelectric modules. The hot side will be provided by ambient temperature. The cold side will be the coffin, which the vampire will be cooling directly due to energy loss generated by the energy lost in the "no reflection" effect.

It would require fiddling to truly make it effective on an industrial scale (such as preventing vampires from freezing into Bose condensate (I doubt the effect will persist, unless vampires can survive being frozen), figuring out something more effective to turn the cold into free energy, etc), but the basic principle is absolutely something either WIllow or Jonathan could think up.

Let's say the end result is 1 kW power per a captured vampire per 0.5 x 0.8 x 2 meter box. That's 1.25 kW per cubic meter, for free, essentially. That's not bad. Better than solar power certainly, and directly combating global warming. Very eco friendly (in small scale, can lead to Frostpunk if left unchecked).

2) Threshold effect. The main question here is if it is subject to Newton's third law (ie if a vampire shot from a cannon through an open doorframe of a house with a threshold will cause structural damage to said house by being repelled by the threshold). If not, then it allows for vampires to be turned into reactionless propulsion engines. Simply push a vampire into a threshold, and that will generate force, which can then be used to move the dwelling with the threshold. Leading to space ship, and energy generation (gravity engines, basically).
 
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[7/14] Spend Money. Buffy's confident they can make the town pay for itself soon enough.

[7/14] Save Money. Buffy isn't sure they'll have as easy a time financing things as Wilkins did.


A pause fell over the meeting at Cynthia's blunt statement, but eventually Giles was the first to speak. "While the late mayor may have been very successful in his fundraising efforts, I'm sure that emulating him isn't going to lead us anywhere good. We witnessed the unsavory prices of some of the deals he made firsthand last year, and I daresay that those are just the sort of things we're trying to stop."

"Hey! Maybe less slippery slopes and more calm logical reasoning?" Willow said, a little annoyed. "Just because the old mayor was evil and made a whole ton of dirty money doesn't mean that a healthy economy is bad. There are probably all sorts of perfectly good ways we could increase tax dollars. Just think of all we could discover with some money for actual research!"

"Hey, let's not get too bent out of shape out of this," Xander said, making a conciliatory gesture at Willow. "I think Giles has some good points. We could go in with every intention of taking the high road, but when the credit card bills start piling up at the end of the month moral fiber has a way of eroding away."

"That's true, but what applies to an individual doesn't apply the same way to a government," Ian tried to explain. "A lot of the time you have to spend money to make money. For example, without more people to help it's going to be a lot harder to find Wilkins' hidden stores."

"And you can't expect people to work for nothing!" Joyce cut in. "Duty's well and good, but I've been trying to tell Buffy all this time that it won't put food on the table or money in your 401k. All you kids are practically saints for doing all you've done already, but if you want a lot more people to help you run a town you're going to have to pay them something for their time, not to mention the risks to their safety."

"The city does have some more traditional assets." Vanessa said. "There's a lot of real estate it holds, we could get to work on selling some of that if we wanted to be fiscally responsible while still having money for expenses."

"I'm not sure that's a very good idea." Cynthia had a pinched expression on her face. "With Ms. Summers' spectacular efforts making our city safer in the past few years, and the booming market nationwide, real estate looks like a very good long term investment in Sunnydale right now. In the short term though, the destruction at the high school and the political instability in the city is going to make it a buyer's market. This is an awful time to sell."

"Are a couple percents over a few years really going to matter?" Xander was starting to look a little annoyed as well, despite his efforts at peacemaking earlier. "If the city really needs the money now, maybe we need to focus on the next few months before we worry about the next few years."

"As much as I hate to admit it Xander, I agree that a mass sell off of property now is a bad idea." Giles cleaned his glasses frustratedly. "With the mayor recently dead, all sorts of nefarious elements are going to be looking to set up shop on the Hellmouth and carve out a piece for themselves. Flooding the market with cheap property is just going to attract more sharks to the scent of blood."

Buffy was getting tired of this herself, but she decided there were some things she was already convinced of. Xander was about to reply, and it looked like Joyce and Willow had more to add too, but Buffy just cut them all off to speak her piece. "Look everyone, I think we have to just be reasonable about all this. We don't need to spend like Wilkins did; this was never about a fat payday or shiny toys. We don't need to make any rash decisions about selling things or buying things either. What we do need to do though, is actually pay people." Buffy sighed, as what she was about to say wasn't easy.

"My mom's right. It's not fair to ask good people to sign up with us to build a better Sunnydale and give them nothing in return, depending on their guilt to make them help us. That's how the Watchers' Council operates, and the last thing I want is to be like them. We can cut some corners elsewhere to give ourselves more time to stabilize, I guess."

Her friends were quiet at that, and Cynthia nodded, as if now that Buffy had spoken, the meat of the matter was decided. Buffy wasn't sure how she felt about that. "Well then, everyone, let's discuss just what sorts of corners we're going to cut." She opened a thick folder in front of her, and ominous packets of paper were passed around the room.

Buffy grimaced. She'd graduated two days ago, and already it was like she was back in school.

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"Wait, have you even graduated yet?" Xander asked.

"Technically I'm a junior now. But I'm totally qualified to help protect the town! I already have lots of useful skills." Buffy surreptitiously checked her notes, something Xander apparently hadn't bothered with. This was Andrew Wells, age 16. Buffy wondered if he had anything to do with Tucker.


After the bureaucratic nightmare that was yesterday's budget discussion, Buffy had almost been looking forward to doing interviews with Xander. Either of them could've maybe done them on their own, but Xander had spent more time working with the '99ers in the lead up to graduation, while Buffy felt that if she didn't start getting to know the people working for her now she might never have the chance, with all the disasters that kept happening. Xander was also going to be slay-adjacent at least until his shoulder finished healing, so it gave them a chance to hang out.

"And those useful skills are?" Xander asked.

"Well, I've mastered D&D 2nd edition, I've memorized the entire script of the Star Wars trilogy, and I have lots of experience in summoning and controlling demons!" Andrew proudly declared.

"Wait, what?" Buffy said. "You realize we're the good guys right? Demon summoning bad. That's the sort of reference you could've used to get a job here last month."

"What demons have you even summoned anyway?" Xander said.

"Don't you remember that fateful performance of Romeo and Juliet in the spring of 1998? With the flying monkeys?" Andrew said, "Everyone was like: 'Run Juliet!'" He changed his voice a bit and raised it, waving his hands and trying to pantomime a crowd.

"Oh." Xander said. "OK, I have to admit, that was kind of funny."

"Hey!" Buffy turned to Xander, "Whose team are we on here? And I don't remember any monkeys. Flying monkeys seems like the kind of thing I would remember."

"It happened one of the days you were sick with the flu," Xander explained. "With everything going on I guess nobody ever told you about it. They didn't really do any harm, they just flew around and screeched at people for a few minutes. Snyder had to hide under the stage. I didn't even know they were demons, actually."

Buffy almost said something about not speaking ill of the dead, but she couldn't quite muster up any sort of protective emotion for Principal Snyder, even under the circumstances, so she let it pass. "But, like, still," She struggled to get control back of the conversation, and perhaps of her of her life general. "You're a nerd who summons demons."

"Exactly!" Andrew cut in, before Buffy could form a more coherent thought. "I have tons of knowledge of the occult already, which a lot of my older compatriots are going to lack. And I'm great at categorizing and memorizing information. If demon summoning is off the agenda I can still totally be useful. And it really shouldn't be, even if we're fighting on the side of good. Unlike in D&D, real demons have a broad range of alignments. Those monkeys were chaotic neutral at worst."

Now that Buffy thought about it, a lot of the regular denizens at Willy's didn't seem too bad. Maybe Andrew knew a thing or two after all. And even if he didn't, it was probably better to keep the kid where she could see him. "Fine. I guess you're on as a provisional hire, Willow or Giles can probably do something useful with you."

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"It's not that I don't want you to be here Anya, it's just that I'm a little surprised." Unlike in some of the recent interviews, Buffy did have a very good idea who this person was, but thought it would be best to let Xander lead the discussion, all the same.


"Why is it surprising? Do you not think I can do the job? I mean I'm older than your entire administration put together. I've seen nations rise, and made nations fall. You should be the ones begging me to work for you!" Anya definitely had a way of seeing things. Buffy wasn't sure if it was a good way, but it was a way.

"The last time we talked, you weren't sticking around for the fall. If I remember correctly, you didn't even want to be on the same planet. And yet, not a week later, here you are, back in Sunnydale and acting as if you were always part of the team!" Xander definitely seemed a little sore about how things had left off with Anya. She hadn't been to much of the prom, maybe they'd had a really bad date?

"I was! Don't forget that without me, you wouldn't have even known what the mayor was going to turn into! Which means no surprise bombing and the entire city eaten." Anya waved her hands out in front of her as if to reenact the explosion she hadn't been here for. Maybe there was something about interviews that made people want to gesticulate? "I mean, I practically was the one who saved the whole town!"

"Oh, now she's the one who saved the whole town. Maybe Anya should be mayor!" Xander said sarcastically.

"I was actually elected mayor of the village of Szob in 1627, after I'd cursed the previous mayor to have his digestive system eaten by bot flies. He wasn't only a notorious lecher and a corrupt fraud, but he also snored. I never took office, but the people really loved me there." Buffy had the sense that Anya might've done well to apply a month earlier too. There was a lot of that going around.

"Look Anya, I've heard so many stories of disgust and woe and more disgust from you that I'm not even shocked by that one. How are we supposed to hire you when you're just one restored power center away from going vengeance-y all over again?" Xander asked.

"Do people spontaneously start selling fast food in the street after they get fired by the local Doublemeat Palace? D'Hoffryn hired me to be a vengeance demon, and I was a good vengeance demon. Now I'm effectively fired. If you hire me to be your advisor, and I'm half as good at that as I was at being a vengeance demon, won't it be worth it?" Anya and Xander's voices had slowly been raising this whole time, and now they were practically shouting at each other. Buffy decided she'd better act fast before they started making out in her office or something. She was happy that Xander had found someone, but she didn't need to see that.

"Yes. It would be. You're hired," she said.

"What?" Xander and Anya asked, both confused.

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"Was that the last one?" Buffy asked the phone.

"You have one more," Cynthia replied in a tinny voice. She sounded a little more hesitant than usual. "She's something of a special case, but she asked me very sincerely to let you hear her out, and I thought it should be your decision." After some of the decisions Buffy had had to make in the past few days, she was waiting longingly for uncomplicated slaying tonight. But she would have to wait just a little longer. "Alright then. Let's see what she's got."

After a minute, the door opened, and Harmony Kendall walked in. Buffy was momentarily very confused, but Xander had kept better track of everyone and didn't hesitate. "Harmony! You're dead!"

"Guilty," she said glumly. "But not like, you know, guilty. I haven't done anything bad yet!" She whined, fanging out.


Buffy quickly vaulted the desk, both to prevent Harmony from getting away and to protect Xander from further injury. "Harmony, I know you weren't always very good in school, and Xander might not have had too much time to go over this, but Vampires? Evil. They go around eating people. I slay them. It's this whole big thing."

"I know, I know!" Despite being in game face, Harmony wasn't making aggressive moves, she was just continuing to whine. "I haven't eaten anybody yet and I'm really hungry! But the first thing I did after I woke up from my coffin was get the gossip from Aura and she told me the whole deal. You're mayor now and you're recruiting everyone. I want to stay on the winning team." She cringed away, like a puppy expecting to be kicked.

That was actually a surprising amount of sense coming out of a fledgling. But it still could never work. "Harmony, you aren't even really Harmony anymore. You don't have a soul. The first time you get a chance you're just going to eat someone anyway." Buffy pulled out a stake. It felt a little bad to kill her when she wouldn't even fight, but she could at least make it quick.

"But I know I couldn't! You'd just find out eventually, I know I'm too stupid to be able to cover it up. And then I'd be dead. And whether I'm Harmony or not, I think I'm Harmony and I don't want to die. How is it my fault I don't have a soul?" As arguments went to not be staked, it wasn't great, but it was actually better than most that Buffy had heard.

Xander wasn't convinced though, "Buffy, you can't seriously be humoring her? Just make with the stakey and then we can mosey. You even have office workers now to clean up the dust."

Harmony managed to push her game face back down and fell to her knees. "Please! I saw that other vampire fighting on your side! Maybe I could be like him?"

"Deadboy's not exactly the best role model for good behavior. And even if Willow could curse her with a soul, this isn't angsty Angel, this is vapid Harmony. She probably experiences a moment of true happiness whenever she gets a new My Little Pony." Xander seemed convinced, but Buffy was uncertain.

Maybe it was the cavalcade of questionable characters she'd already allowed into the ranks. Maybe it was the pathetic sight of the vampire on her knees, begging and bawling for her life. Maybe somewhere deep down inside, Buffy didn't think it was fair either. But Xander was right, there were no guarantees, especially with probably totally ill-fitting magic, and Harmony might turn on a dime the first chance she got.

Vote:

[] Buffy lies to Harmony, saying it's all going to be OK, and then stakes her in the back. She owes her that much, at least.

[] Buffy decides that they can probably work something out, somehow, and locks Harmony up with some butcher's blood. The gang will try to figure out how reliable she is and what she needs to keep her under control.

A/N: You can try to write in ways to control Harmony, but their actual practicality is not guaranteed. You don't know for sure IC or OOC how compatible Willow's curse will be. Also, if you vote to lock her up now instead of killing her now, Buffy is going to have a much harder time killing her later without an actual crime first.
 
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[x] Buffy lies to Harmony, saying it's all going to be OK, and then stakes her in the back. She owes her that much, at least.
 
[X] Buffy decides that they can probably work something out, somehow, and locks Harmony up with some butcher's blood. The gang will try to figure out how reliable she is and what she needs to keep her under control.
-[X] Pavlovian conditioning. Do some pretend magic on her, telling her that it's a curse that would prevent her from drinking human blood, than give her some human blood with a little bit of holy water mixed in. Keep it up to make her like animal blood instead.
--[X] See if there is real magic that can make human blood disgusting for a vampire. Anyanka probably knows all kinds of curses like those.
-[X] Talk to Willow and Giles about the ensouling curse. While it might not work well on Harmony, she could still serve as a trial case. If someone gets turned later, ensouling them before they can do any harm is a better alternative than destroying them.
--[X] See about changing the curse's condition from "moment of true happiness" to something else that's harder to achieve by accident
--[X] Talk to Andrew, Giles and Willow about developing a soul presence indicator that would show if Harmony (or any other future ensouled vampire) loses their soul.
--[X] Discuss using ensouling curse to make "turning into vampire" a legitimate medical procedure, like Ford wanted to do.
 
[X] Buffy decides that they can probably work something out, somehow, and locks Harmony up with some butcher's blood. The gang will try to figure out how reliable she is and what she needs to keep her under control.
-[X] Pavlovian conditioning. Do some pretend magic on her, telling her that it's a curse that would prevent her from drinking human blood, than give her some human blood with a little bit of holy water mixed in. Keep it up to make her like animal blood instead.
--[X] See if there is real magic that can make human blood disgusting for a vampire. Anyanka probably knows all kinds of curses like those.
-[X] Talk to Willow and Giles about the ensouling curse. While it might not work well on Harmony, she could still serve as a trial case. If someone gets turned later, ensouling them before they can do any harm is a better alternative than destroying them.
--[X] See about changing the curse's condition from "moment of true happiness" to something else that's harder to achieve by accident
--[X] Talk to Andrew, Giles and Willow about developing a soul presence indicator that would show if Harmony (or any other future ensouled vampire) loses their soul.
--[X] Discuss using ensouling curse to make "turning into vampire" a legitimate medical procedure, like Ford wanted to do.
 
[X] Buffy decides that they can probably work something out, somehow, and locks Harmony up with some butcher's blood. The gang will try to figure out how reliable she is and what she needs to keep her under control.
-[X] Move Harmony into the guest room of the Summers house to keep a closer eye on her.


Joyce needs someone to need her. She only begins to do a halfway decent job at parenting after Dawn is retroactively added to her life, and that hasn't happened yet. Until then Harmony can be the kid she always wanted instead of Buffy, because Harmony needs a ton of attention and help and parenting. With any luck Joyce will stop getting trashed over her changed circumstances once she has someone that needs looking after.
 
-[X] Pavlovian conditioning. Do some pretend magic on her, telling her that it's a curse that would prevent her from drinking human blood, than give her some human blood with a little bit of holy water mixed in. Keep it up to make her like animal blood instead.
Harmony is not the brightest, so it might work for a while. That falls apart the moment she drinks real human blood for whatever reason. Bonus points if she thinks it doesn't count as a real human blood because it doesn't cause a reaction.

Probably a straight up curse to make human blood unpalatable to her would be better if you wanted to condition her physically.
 
[X] Buffy decides that they can probably work something out, somehow, and locks Harmony up with some butcher's blood. The gang will try to figure out how reliable she is and what she needs to keep her under control.
-[X] Pavlovian conditioning. Do some pretend magic on her, telling her that it's a curse that would prevent her from drinking human blood, than give her some human blood with a little bit of holy water mixed in. Keep it up to make her like animal blood instead.
--[X] See if there is real magic that can make human blood disgusting for a vampire. Anyanka probably knows all kinds of curses like those.
-[X] Talk to Willow and Giles about the ensouling curse. While it might not work well on Harmony, she could still serve as a trial case. If someone gets turned later, ensouling them before they can do any harm is a better alternative than destroying them.
--[X] See about changing the curse's condition from "moment of true happiness" to something else that's harder to achieve by accident
--[X] Talk to Andrew, Giles and Willow about developing a soul presence indicator that would show if Harmony (or any other future ensouled vampire) loses their soul.
--[X] Discuss using ensouling curse to make "turning into vampire" a legitimate medical procedure, like Ford wanted to do.
 
Harmony is not the brightest, so it might work for a while. That falls apart the moment she drinks real human blood for whatever reason. Bonus points if she thinks it doesn't count as a real human blood because it doesn't cause a reaction.

Probably a straight up curse to make human blood unpalatable to her would be better if you wanted to condition her physically.
Yeah, it does fall apart, and I hope we could actually curse her to make human blood undrinkable to her. I also want to try and have priests regularly (daily) blessing town's water supply, on the off chance that drinking holy water will gradually turn one's blood undrinkable to vampires.
 
[x] Buffy lies to Harmony, saying it's all going to be OK, and then stakes her in the back. She owes her that much, at least.

The ditz is dead. This is just a critter wearing a Harmony suit. Put it out of its misery.
 
The ditz is dead. This is just a critter wearing a Harmony suit. Put it out of its misery.
There are several reasons not to do this:
1) Internal consistsency and integrity. Buffy went to a lot of trouble in order to re-ensoul Angel. Harmony, right now, is more of a victim than Angel and deserves at least as much effort. Especially given that she voluntarily went to Buffy, instead of, for example, running away.

2) Avoiding internal dissent. While all our people are aware of supernatural, I am willing to bet that many of them are only passingly familiar with it (something we need to remedy later). Appreciating that vampires are philosophical zombies / are different persons than their human selves is philosophically not an easy concept to grasp. For example Aura, to whom Harmony went, might not understand the distinction.

3) Encouraging socially desirable behavior in vampires. Vampire infestation is a big problem in the city. We want to deal with it. Encouraging vampires not to hunt, but instead to go to us, register, and work for us, while not harming humans is something we want to do, as this decreases the amount of effort we need to put into protecting human population. Harmony is a perfect trial case for this. If it works out, we could probably expect a significant percent of new fledges coming to us, instead of hunting humans. Especially if we also do some public executions (or some other intimidation tactics) of vampires who break our rules.

4) Utilitarian benefits. We don't much care about Harmony. This means that we can try whatever we are trying on her, and not suffer much emotional distress if, in the end, we have to stake her anyway.

5) Mundane politics. Harmony went to Aura. Did Aura's parents see her? Are Harmony's parents aware of her fate? Are they in the know about magic? Destroying Harmony here and now might cause us trouble with "mundane law", or at least become politically inconvenient later.

Staking her is an easy short term solution, but not staking her is a good long term strategy.

Added an important stunt - lectures on vampires for our employees.

[X] Buffy decides that they can probably work something out, somehow, and locks Harmony up with some butcher's blood. The gang will try to figure out how reliable she is and what she needs to keep her under control.
-[X] Pavlovian conditioning. Do some pretend magic on her, telling her that it's a curse that would prevent her from drinking human blood, than give her some human blood with a little bit of holy water mixed in. Keep it up to make her like animal blood instead.
--[X] See if there is real magic that can make human blood disgusting for a vampire. Anyanka probably knows all kinds of curses like those.
-[X] Talk to Willow and Giles about the ensouling curse. While it might not work well on Harmony, she could still serve as a trial case. If someone gets turned later, ensouling them before they can do any harm is a better alternative than destroying them.
--[X] See about changing the curse's condition from "moment of true happiness" to something else that's harder to achieve by accident
--[X] Talk to Andrew, Giles and Willow about developing a soul presence indicator that would show if Harmony (or any other future ensouled vampire) loses their soul.
--[X] Discuss using ensouling curse to make "turning into vampire" a legitimate medical procedure, like Ford wanted to do.
-[X] Schedule lectures and seminars for your employees where the nature of vampires, werewolves and demons is discussed, to help them understand how Vampire!Harmony and Harmony are different beings.
 
1) Internal consistsency and integrity. Buffy went to a lot of trouble in order to re-ensoul Angel. Harmony, right now, is more of a victim than Angel and deserves at least as much effort. Especially given that she voluntarily went to Buffy, instead of, for example, running away.
She's older and wiser now.

Again, this isn't Harmony, it's the spawn of the thing that killed her. Angel is an aberration, and besides, why pull Harmony's soul out of the afterlife and bind it to a demon powered corpse? Buffys not that cruel.
 
She's older and wiser now.

Again, this isn't Harmony, it's the spawn of the thing that killed her. Angel is an aberration, and besides, why pull Harmony's soul out of the afterlife and bind it to a demon powered corpse? Buffys not that cruel.
Why would it be cruel to return Harmony's soul to her body? Let's disassemble possible reasons for why this might be cruel (from my perspective):
1) Harmony's soul would suffer from vampiric memories, as Angel suffered from memories of Angelus's crimes. This does not apply due to the fledgling not comitting any crimes as of yet.

2) Returning Harmony's soul from afterlife is cruel in principle. As far as I know, of the people whose souls were returned from afterlife (Angel, Spike, Buffy), only Buffy retained any memories of said afterlife. I am unsure if this is due to different rituals used to return them from afterlife, or only Buffy getting said afterlife (due to Slayer line nature, hers might differ from those of normal humans), but we can't be sure at all that Harmony would retain any memories of afterlife, and weak evidence points to her not retaining such memories. Further, we cannot be sure that Harmony's afterlife is a good one. In fact, given Harmony's personality and life story, that is very much in question.

3) Being a vampire is physically unpleasant enough to be considered fate worse than death (leaving aside afterlife). That is very much a question of perspective, as I understand it. Vampires get superstrength, eternal youth, do not get fat (as far as I know), do not suffer from STDs - all those would be great bonuses from Harmony's perspective. On the other hand, vampires cannot tan, and do not have reflections - those would be downsides from Harmony's viewpoints. On the balance, I cannot find vampiric existence, provided a support network exists and socialization is possible, to be suffering enough to allow euthanasia.

Right now I would treat reensouling as a life-saving procedure for someone who was put into a changed state of consciousness. Harmony hasn't been a vampire long enough for this to be "resurrection" in my mind, rather than "resuscitation"

Finally, and this is something we have to consider, I feel - is Harmony over 18 yet? Because we might need to talk to her parents. We are basically talking about performing either a life saving, but arguably crippling, medical procedure on their (essentially) comatose / terminally ill daughter, or performing euthanasia.
 
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Sorry, not convinced. Stake the leech.
At the very least you should then consider the following results and what to do about them:
1) Harmony's parents, who might or might not know she's "alive" and likely do not know about the supernatural and would not appreciate the distinction between Harmony and vampire-wearing-Harmony's face.

2) Our employees, at least some of whom know that Harmony went to meet us, and at least some of whom do not appreciate the difference between "vampire is a different person" and "vampire is the same person, but with distorted emotions / hard to control urges".

3) Any vampires and on-the-fence demons who might learn about Harmony going straight to us, and might have been willing to cooperate with us.
 
I am unsure if this is due to different rituals used to return them from afterlife, or only Buffy getting said afterlife (due to Slayer line nature, hers might differ from those of normal humans),

Also she died by having her soul sucked out of her body as she passed through a crack between dimensions that led pretty much everywhere. That may have played a part.
 
Eh, it's not like this is unprecedented. Harmony ended up working for Angel otl(apparently Vampire speed makes her a very good typist and secretary). Harmony's perfectly fine as long as she thinks you are the biggest dog around and supply her with food and money(so she can buy all the shit she wants).
 
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