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Stephen King's IT

Ah, the Turtle...... yeah, that's something else I'm glad was left out. That thing was beyond pointless to the story.
 
I've read online that there was a bunch of turtle imagery like a stuffed toy in Georgie's room and a a lego one Bill had but I didn't notice them.
 
The Judith monster is still giving me shivers. It's weird because I didn't find Mama from another movie made by this same guy nearly as creepy as her.
 
Stephen King has a history of substance abuse when writing. He got so drunk he has no memory of writing Cujo. Also the dude was high on painkillers with writing Dream Catcher
 
Mutton said:
That said, your spoiler makes zero sense. The woman just sees that he's gone; she doesn't see him get dragged under. Eddie's mom also isn't trying to keep him away from It, she's got Munchausen syndrome by proxy where she's making him think he's sick to control him.
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Having seen the movie myself, it totally comes off as if Eddie's mum is trying to keep him inside and safe so that It doesn't get him. And the old woman doesn't just 'see that Georgie's gone', she first sees him suspiciously crouched by the storm drain talking to someone, then comes back and sees a GIANT FUCKING LAKE OF BLOOD and runs back inside again. And then there's the pair of adults that drive straight past Ben while three like, eighteen-year-old kids are menacing him with a knife and the fact that the balloon shows up in the back seat could mean anything from "It took the form of two adults in the car just to troll that kid" to "the adults were ignoring it all on their own and It shoved the balloon in the window to troll that kid because it knows the adults are all gonna stay in their lane". And come to think of it Bill's dad's incredibly vehement FUCK YOU BILL GEORGIE IS DEAD HE'S NOT GONE HE'S FUCKING DEAD FUCK YOU could be because he knows full well that the creepy Swedish clown got him.

Anyway I mostly concur with what's already been said. I went in not expecting the BWAAAAAAAAH to bug me as much as it did Mike and Jay but it wound up being really fucking obnoxious (why are you dropping heavy music stingers while Georgie's looking for wax in the fucking basement, movie, everyone already knows he's only gonna die when he tries to accept paper boats from strange sewer-clowns). But everything else was pretty great, and I was a big fan of this Pennywise whenever he just kept his ass still and got some dialogue. Probably my favourite part is when he appears to be making headway luring in Georgie only for It.exe to encounter a fatal error and shut down, so he just stares off into the middle distance making a weird low growling noise while Georgie's like "(what the fuck)", contrasting Currywise who's just a non-stop laugh-a-minute riot.
 
ZerbanDaGreat said:
why are you dropping heavy music stingers while Georgie's looking for wax in the fucking basement, movie, everyone already knows he's only gonna die when he tries to accept paper boats from strange sewer-clowns
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I don't know about that. I saw it with a cousin and her daughter and the latter didn't actually know that much about the book or original series and thought Georgie would be alive at the end.
 
The Turtle is great, the cosmic stuff is great too. Next you'll be telling me the history interludes are bad.
 
Leila Hann said:
I know, right? Its the perfect finale for a story about confronting childhood fear. Total thematic fit.
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If King had made it slightly clearer that killing It didn't actually impede the Deadlights very much if at all, and had done a little more to accentuate the appendage-like nature of It relative to the Deadlights, I wouldn't have minded. The idea of It as daemon to the Deadlights' Chaos God (apologies for the 40Kisms) is actually somewhat appealing to me.
 
Claudette Savagely said:
If King had made it slightly clearer that killing It didn't actually impede the Deadlights very much if at all, and had done a little more to accentuate the appendage-like nature of It relative to the Deadlights, I wouldn't have minded. The idea of It as daemon to the Deadlights' Chaos God (apologies for the 40Kisms) is actually somewhat appealing to me.
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Having It be one of many such demons that plague mankind would have helped, yeah.

But even so, I think less focus should have been given to the cosmology, because the instant you have a cosmic space turtle and an evil spider god, the story loses all of the grounding in the real world that its built itself on up to that point.

So, I think best course of action is just to establish that the Deadlights are A Thing, and that creatures like It come from the Deadlights, and leave it at that. Leave the Turtle and the other cosmic bullshit out of it entirely.
 
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It's kinda like the Dark Tower movie. It would have been just as good a movie if The Shine wasn't involved. But it doesn't necessarily detract from the movie.
 
Leila Hann said:
Having It be one of many such demons that plague mankind would have helped, yeah.

But even so, I think less focus should have been given to the cosmology, because the instant you have a cosmic space turtle and an evil spider god, the story loses all of the grounding in the real world that its built itself on up to that point.

So, I think best course of action is just to establish that the Deadlights are A Thing, and that creatures like It come from the Deadlights, and leave it at that. Leave the Turtle and the other cosmic bullshit out of it entirely.
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Oh, I don't know. Children accidentally going on a spirit quest during their efforts to defeat a fear daemon and getting in touch with the remnants of a mostly dead god (who made our corner of existence during a bout of extreme indigestion; what a creation story!) is kind of cool. I don't think King executed he idea as well as he could have, but the notion of there being positive deeper truths lurking under the skin of mundane reality in opposition to the deeper evils posed by It and Its place/being of origin has some merit, I think. The whole thing could have stood to be worked in earlier and more gradually, so that the whole "ACTUAL AND NEVER-BEFORE-MENTIONED COSMIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THESE EVENTS OOOOOOH" doesn't seem tacked-on, but I rather like what it could have been.

tl;dr pls no buly Maturin (and Gan) :x
 
I really hope they don't make Mike a druggie for the sequel as they've apparently pondered. In general, I thought it was a damn shame Mike got kinda sidelined throughout, joining later than everyone else and not getting much to say.

That aside, I really liked the movie! It was like ... good!
 
Teocraso said:
I really hope they don't make Mike a druggie for the sequel as they've apparently pondered. In general, I thought it was a damn shame Mike got kinda sidelined throughout, joining later than everyone else and not getting much to say.

That aside, I really liked the movie! It was like ... good!
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Yeah, Mike and Stan didn't get much to do, though Stan apparently has a good scene in the extended cut they're bringing out? And I'm hoping that if they do go into the history and nature of Pennywise in Chapter 2 like they're apparently planning, Mike might get to shine there.

Also I like this post

 
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Leila Hann said:
Pictured below: an exploration of childhood fear in the context of a rural America that knowingly fails to protect its youth.

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i think what i like best about this is Maturin's fucked up right eyeball just going ZOOOOP across his face and stretching his whole head as he heaves a mighty rainbow yawn across the firmament

"oh fuck oh man oh mE GET OUT OF THE WAY DEADLIGHTS I-ABLAAAOOORRRRRRGGGGGHH"

"whaddya-OH FUCK IT'S FUCKING EVERYWHERE AND THERE'S PLANETS AND STARS IN IT WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN EATING MAN!?"

*rancid hiccuping echoes across the cosmic void*
 
Just saw the movie.

Excellent acting all around, good movie.

2 things though, why did another character get half of Mike's whole deal and Beverly became a damsel in distress? Why?

Edit: In the sequel is Mike even going to be the librarian who stayed in town and kept up on things? His entire interest in local history was given to Ben so it'd come from nowhere instead of being a development from prior character elements. What's his character even going to be?
 
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Teocraso said:
I really hope they don't make Mike a druggie for the sequel as they've apparently pondered. In general, I thought it was a damn shame Mike got kinda sidelined throughout, joining later than everyone else and not getting much to say.

That aside, I really liked the movie! It was like ... good!
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Same thing with Eddie and Beverly. This movie was about conquering their childhood fears, it would suck if they just went straight back at it as adults.

I kind of want Eddie to be grow up to be an uber-masculine Marine or wrestler or something.
 
Where's the stuff about Mike becoming a junkie coming from anyway? All I've seen is an interview where the (director? Writer?) contemplates making him a "Library Junkie," as in, a person obsessed with the library. "Staying in Derry wasn't good for him" I think the line went.
 
Ser_Serendipity said:
Where's the stuff about Mike becoming a junkie coming from anyway? All I've seen is an interview where the (director? Writer?) contemplates making him a "Library Junkie," as in, a person obsessed with the library. "Staying in Derry wasn't good for him" I think the line went.
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Actually, iirc he was going to be a junkie so he could discover the Ritual of Chud. Lemme find the quote...

"He's not just the collector of knowledge of what Pennywise has been doing in Derry. He will bear the role of trying to figure out how to defeat him. The only way he can do that is to take drugs and alter his mind."
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Hanlon's mind-altering exploration mirrors a part of King's novel that was cut from the first movie, when the Loser kids undertake a Native American ritual to get a glimpse of the supernatural plane, bringing them into contact with entities that help them stop the creature behind Pennywise.
"It resonates with what the kids do when they go to the smokehouse in the Barrens," Andy Muschietti says. "By inhaling these fumes from the fire they have visions of It, and the origin of It, and the falling fire in the sky that crashed into Derry millions of years ago. We've brought that to Mike, by the end of those 30 years Mike has figured out the Ritual of Chüd."
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So yeah. He'll be a librarian AND a junkie. Not a junkie for libraries.
 
Not gonna lie, at first I thought Stan and Billy were the same kid.
trob030490 said:
Just saw the movie.

Excellent acting all around, good movie.

2 things though, why did another character get half of Mike's whole deal and Beverly became a damsel in distress? Why?

Edit: In the sequel is Mike even going to be the librarian who stayed in town and kept up on things? His entire interest in local history was given to Ben so it'd come from nowhere instead of being a development from prior character elements. What's his character even going to be?
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Beverly was the damsel in that she was the one they needed to save, but she was also the first to fully overcome her fear of IT and thus the safest from it.
 
They all needed to be rescued at some point. And Bev was the first to hurt It. Probably why It came after her.
 
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