Stark Quest 2.0: The Protector of Pentos
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Mazrick
Shai'tan
- Location
- The Pit of Doom
I'd like to do some rolls in the rolz.org room "Harlon Quest". Its the old room, so come see what is in store for everyone's favorite dwarf!
You will be rolling* for Essos and Favored, and I will be rolling for some other stuff...
*remember to use the #Hashtag as requested.
You will be rolling* for Essos and Favored, and I will be rolling for some other stuff...
*remember to use the #Hashtag as requested.
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Ok, given this is Tyrion we're talking about, he'll be kidnapped by a Dothraki horde, have sex with their Khaleesi, make his escape with the aid of a shadow binder, have sex with her too, be abducted by a Warlock for a ritual involving the sacrifice of his testicles to the God of Tits and Wine, be saved by and become the avatar of said God of Tits and Wine only to end up in Pentos and secretly save the city from fire with a well placed squirt of urine while on the tail end of a drunken bender.
That's my bet.
That's my bet.
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notmi
Super Koala God Super Koala
The powerful channelers were apparently for different people.
2015-01-10 04:09:45 Mazrick: Powerful channeler didn't just apply to Tyrion...
Mazrick
Shai'tan
- Location
- The Pit of Doom
There are significant modifiers involved. I will reveal that he didn't meet the DC for magic. The rest will be seen through the story proper.
One was for Tyrion, and I decided to make the other rolls in public instead of using another RNG. Though I'm not going to say which rolls align with which characters. We'll deal with the fallout going forward, and you should find out eventually.
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Fluffiness
Sleepy
- Location
- New York
Did Tyrion get the 2?
Well this is a hell of a birthday present. Damnation who rolled this? *checks room log*
Well, screw you too, Fluffy!
If this means we can't be friends with Tyrion, I will destroy you. Maybe. If I'm not distracted by shiny things. Or playing video games. Or plotting other things. So probably won't happen. But still. *shakes fist* Still, we'll need to have an awesome Cyvasse match with him regardless.
And I hope the 2 on Powerful Channeler was Cersei. Because her having no power at all would be funny.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
I admit, I thought there were going to rolls to determine who had the potential to channel at all before power was determined. Or did you decide the Lannisters all had to be channelers for narrative reasons @Mazrick?
Well, thanks for trying Fluffy. At least the magic roll failed.
Mazrick
Shai'tan
- Location
- The Pit of Doom
I've already determined who's going to be a channeler, however the channeling sickness results and the the precise magnitude of channeling power, multi-tasking, dexterity, and talents has not been set in stone. Also, I've already confirmed in the rolz room that all of the Powerful channeler rolls were not Lannisters, and in fact the highest roll belongs to an ally outside of Pentos.
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@Mazrick, here's the list you asked for:
Oamkes:
Hidden magic part 2: Shadow by DragonParadox
Stark 3: Cauldron File by Enjou
Through the Woods by DragonParadox
Hidden magic part 3: Memory of Rhoynar by DragonParadox
As to questions:
1 How is magic other than Blood Magic seen in the North? (mostly in the context of how Harlon's siblings would react to an offer to teach them magic)
2 How much of the slave population of the Free cities worships the Red God? (there was a conversation about what "holds sway" means)
Oamkes:
Hidden magic part 2: Shadow by DragonParadox
Stark 3: Cauldron File by Enjou
Through the Woods by DragonParadox
Hidden magic part 3: Memory of Rhoynar by DragonParadox
As to questions:
1 How is magic other than Blood Magic seen in the North? (mostly in the context of how Harlon's siblings would react to an offer to teach them magic)
2 How much of the slave population of the Free cities worships the Red God? (there was a conversation about what "holds sway" means)
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Mazrick
Shai'tan
- Location
- The Pit of Doom
Awesome. Thanks! Perhaps from now on omake authors could include this in the relevant omake to make it easier for indexing purposes.
Also, you guys are above 400, so feel free to buy a character point. Not like you'll need the XP anytime soon.
Badly. If you weren't so bullshit, things would have went poorly when your personal guard found and the Hightower men found out about magic. Pretty much every noble thinks it a thing of the past. For the smallfolk its a mixture of the fear of the unknown and part of their tales and stories.
From what Haron has read, maybe 50% of the slaves or more follow R'hollor. Varies from city to city with Volantis and Lys having higher levels of participation.
Also, the Tyrion interlude is on track for this evening, and the update will be sometime tomorrow.
Also, you guys are above 400, so feel free to buy a character point. Not like you'll need the XP anytime soon.
Maybe when we hit 600
So Sansa would likely balk, not that I'd trust her with phenomenal cosmic power as she is, Arya would probably go for it but she is a bit impulsive for me to be entirely comfortable with teaching her until she has had some character development. Still that implies there is no pervading "kill the witch attitude" which is very good.
So worse than I thought but better than Alratan assumed.
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Just goes to show that results matter. Conquer a city and people will let you get away with things they normally wouldn't. It isn't all that different from what happened with the Targaryens and the Faith. "Polygamy? INCEST!? NO! NO WA... that... is a very large dragon. Ok, do what you want."
Just to collect the main stuff we found in source material, as that was the whole thing about the argument:
1. It's noted in the books that in Volantis that R'hllor has more worshipers than in all the other cities combined. Since this seems to be implied to be unusual, I wouldn't imagine it applies to any more than one of the other Free Cities.
2. In AWoIAF it is stated in regards to Tyrosh, Lys, and Myr "Each has its own gods, too - although the red priesthood of R'hllor holds sway in all of them and often wields considerable power". There's been a lot of argument about exactly what that means. (Alratan insisted it means they're in control and are the dominant faith, everyone else thinks it means less than that)
From your comment I think we can presume that Volantis has the most worshipers (it also has the most slaves, with a 5-1 ratio of slaves vs free men, as compared to Tyrosh, Lys, and Myr which each have a 3-1 ratio)
But anyways, if it's mainly the slaves that are worshipers we don't really need to worry too much about a crusade for a while. The rulers of the Free Cities aren't likely to be inclined to commit their armies and their Shards to a religious war that isn't their own considering that attacking Pentos or the North could drag Westeros into full scale war with them. We might also want to publicly announce a peace offer - we agree to peace if the red priesthood agrees to stop practicing slavery by no longer buy children like livestock and freeing their existing slaves. Since it's public, the rumor would spread. If the cult refuses the offer, they might lose support of their adherents.
I think you're missing the point here. The Red Priesthood is a subversion of the institution of slavery. By buying slaves and then making them more powerful than free men, they do more to undermine it than any silly posturing we engage in.
They're functionally an anti-slavery organisation that is attacking it from within. If they stop buying slaves and making them parts of the cult, all that would happen is that the slaves they would have rescued have significantly worse lives, the other purchasers of slaves make more money, and the red priesthoods ability to appeal to the slaves is reduced.
It's part of the point that they too are 'slaves', even though they have no temporal master.
Why do you think the religion is so popular amongst slaves? It's not because they consider the red priests their oppressors. It's because they consider them their allies.
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Except it's part of Harlon's IC opinion that the slavery to the Red Demon is as bad as any other. We can't just change it without making him bipolar. We would need this presented to us by a sympathetic Red Priest (Thoros of Myr perhaps). Honestly I'm going to go with "Damn the Red Demon" all the way so Harlon will have a reason not to bend knee to Stannis.
Further I find the conditioning and indoctrination of young children into R'hlor's service horrible anyway.
So I'm gong to vote with No Quarter to the Servants of the Red Demon unless they renounce their master at least for the foreseeable future.
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Harlon is Wisdom 10. At some point he's going to wonder quite why the majority religion amongst slaves is the worship of R'hllor, if they're as bad as he thinks they are, as it makes no sense. At that point it's rapidly going to become very obvious that the situation is more complex than he first considered.
At the moment Harlon is ignorant. That should change soon. He's already committed to interrogating captured Red Priests.
There's no reason to believe that Stannis will ever convert to the faith of R'hllor of that he'll ever meet Melisandre.
How do you think Harlon became a worshipper of the Old Gods? It's not a view that sprang fully formed into his mind when he became an adult after rational intellectual enquiry.
It's also significantly better than what fates awaited child slaves otherwise
Indiscriminate murder of the priests of another faith with a track record of peaceful coexistence is also a very good way to make enemies of all other faiths, as they'll be afraid they'll be next.
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- Location
- Sweden
No worse then Ned teaching Harlon his own faith and really being sold into that church is probably better then not for them.
As strong as his prejudice is right now I do not think he will reach any such oppinion on his own
Except the GM wrote a post where he said "if Stannis embraces the Red Demon Harlon will be freed of his oaths" so it is at least possible maybe likely that he will convert.
There is a difference between education and indoctrination. A better comparison would be the Faith of the Seven and they do not take Septons as children. Those children were never given a choice, never asked if they felt they have a vocation.
As to peaceful co-existence the faith of the Red God is an exaggeration of Christianity. When it is the Faith of the depossessed and powerless it is grudgingly tolerant of other faints. When it becomes dominant... *looks at Stannis' Red Woman*
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- Location
- Fabulously Rainbow Ireland
No its an exaggeration of Zoroastrianism and Melisandre proves nothing sinces she's also a shadowbinder from Asshai, and she's really bad at understanding her gods messages to her.
It's going to become pretty obvious when he speaks to the priests, who probably aren't slaves in Pentos.
Note the 'if'. With the changes we've made, it's not something we can base our decisions on.
Children are given to the Faith of the Seven to join their holy orders.
Thoros of Myr provides a pretty absolute counter-example. He's the Red Priest in the series with the most divine powers and he's no interest at all in burning septs or Weirwood, despite having the means and the opportunity.
Remember, we have PoV chapters from Melisandre. She's a very atypical Red Priest, what with being a Shadowbinder as well as a priest, and coming from Asshai rather than the Free Cities. It's also very obvious that she doesn't know what she's doing, and is making up large parts of it as she goes along in the face of an incipient apocalypse.
It's a religion of the poor and the depossessed that is dualist and universalist. In spite of the Zoroastrian symbols it does have quite a bit in common with Christianity.
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