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Just on a "neat" note, Matalas had just recently talked about how they used the Odyssey E-F just as kind of a show of appreciation to STO fans. They would have otherwise used the E-E.
 
With regards to re-naming active ships being bad juju, it's a mixed bag - it's traditionally frowned on (the superstition is that when you name a ship it's entered into Poseidon's log, so renaming it is akin to trying to slip something past the gods) outside of specific circumstances and usually when the re-named ship is under construction.

The franchise has done it once (and a half - the provenance of the Enterprise-A has never been established but AIUI the broad strokes of various EU explanations is "Other Constitution-Class swapping names mid-refit") before, when DS9 blew up the Defiant, re-christened the same-class USS São Paulo to "USS Defiant" (complete with identical registry and no bloody A, B, C, or D), and then pretended the first Defiant never blew up.

*EDIT* There's also Shatner's novels, where "Enterprise" functions more like the US President and Air Force One, in that any ship the resurrected Kirk commands is arbitrarily re-christened the "USS Enterprise".
 
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I have always found the Defiant rechristening an interesting situation. But also the Defiant was lost in combat and replaced by a ship of identical class…

I dunno turning the Titan-A - a ship Starfleet has decided is important enough to have its own lineage - into the Enterprise-G doesn't sit well with me. It really wasn't necessary either; it was just a weird fanservicey thing, too.
 
It also really doesn't fit with how this usually works. The new Enterprise of each era is supposed to be the new flagship. It should be the most potent ship of the latest generation, not an old refit. They should be working on a new Enterprise-G (and given the mentions that the Enterprise-F was going to be decommissioned early, presumably already were), there's no need to rename the Titan. If anything, you'd think that the Titan's own accomplishments in this crisis deserved to be memorialized, rather than having her name erased.
 
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It also really doesn't fit with how this usually works. The new Enterprise of each era is supposed to be the new flagship. It should be the most potent ship of the latest generation, not an old refit. They should be working on a new Enterprise-G (and given the mentions that the Enterprise-F was going to be decommissioned early, presumably already were), there's no need to rename the Titan. If anything, you'd think that the Titan's own accomplishments in this crisis deserved to be memorialized, rather than having her name erased.
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Yeah exactly - the Titan was already considered distinguished enough to have a successor named in its honor (I'm going to just pretend the Titan-A is a new ship). Renaming it as the Enterprise-G is framed as a reward for its above and beyond service…but doing so implicitly erases the Titan-A.

Like it'd be one thing if the Titan-A got put in for repairs and the crew reassigned to a new ship christened the Enterprise-G (you can even keep the same class if you want, like honestly I don't give a shit about the flagship/top of the line thing), but just flat renaming an existing ship does sit kind've weird.
 
ladiesman said:
Just on a "neat" note, Matalas had just recently talked about how they used the Odyssey E-F just as kind of a show of appreciation to STO fans. They would have otherwise used the E-E.
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Honestly I would've preferred if he just use the enterprise E. Using the F but in the wrong time period and to have it get completely bodied and decommissioned in shame for the extreme ugliness and misplaced nostalgia bait of the Neo constitution/Constitution three class didn't make me feel seen and appreciated as a Star Trek online ship fan. It made me feel the other thing insulted yeah that's it.
 
ladiesman said:
Just on a "neat" note, Matalas had just recently talked about how they used the Odyssey E-F just as kind of a show of appreciation to STO fans. They would have otherwise used the E-E.
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Yeah I saw that- also in the same twitter thread that's not how a lot of STO show fans took it being replaced by a glorified Oberth, and I don't blame them lol
 
Arthur Frayn said:
Yeah exactly - the Titan was already considered distinguished enough to have a successor named in its honor (I'm going to just pretend the Titan-A is a new ship). Renaming it as the Enterprise-G is framed as a reward for its above and beyond service…but doing so implicitly erases the Titan-A.
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There is a part of me thinks Riker had a hand in the naming... both times.

Riker was definitely involved in the Titan's Refit/Rebuild/Redesign. When the engineers decided to just make a whole damn new ship rather than try to just fix Titan, Titan may have used alittle pull to get it named Titan-A... when goes back into Spacedock, Riker may have been like "It's cool if you change the name, Enterprise is even better."

I don't think people are right there, that the Enterprise is ALWAYS designed as the best possible ship in the fleet. Yes, it's the "flagship" of the Federation, but that doesn't actually mean anything. It's just an honorary saying "This ship embodies our ideals." Enterprise-A wasn't the most advanced ship. Constitution's were old as sin by the time A got named. Enterprise-B was an Excelsior, which had been around for awhile and apparently did little of note. We don't really know anything about the Ambassador C. Sure, D and E were new, high tech ships.

I WAS expecting it to be USS Picard, it is somewhat odd they renamed an already-A ship.
 
ladiesman said:
There is a part of me thinks Riker had a hand in the naming... both times.

Riker was definitely involved in the Titan's Refit/Rebuild/Redesign. When the engineers decided to just make a whole damn new ship rather than try to just fix Titan, Titan may have used alittle pull to get it named Titan-A... when goes back into Spacedock, Riker may have been like "It's cool if you change the name, Enterprise is even better."

I don't think people are right there, that the Enterprise is ALWAYS designed as the best possible ship in the fleet. Yes, it's the "flagship" of the Federation, but that doesn't actually mean anything. It's just an honorary saying "This ship embodies our ideals." Enterprise-A wasn't the most advanced ship. Constitution's were old as sin by the time A got named. Enterprise-B was an Excelsior, which had been around for awhile and apparently did little of note. We don't really know anything about the Ambassador C. Sure, D and E were new, high tech ships.

I WAS expecting it to be USS Picard, it is somewhat odd they renamed an already-A ship.
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The Enterprise-A was clearly honoring the name of the original ship which at that point was:

a. Prestigious enough that it got this previously unheard of honor, starting off a Starfleet tradition; and
b. Given to a brand-new ship such that it demonstrates the Constitution-refit design was still considered viable that late in the period.

The Constitution-class were always considered prestigious commands in the time of TOS.

The Enterprise-B was an evolved Excelsior which at the time of Star Trek 3 was so cutting edge she was still experimental. There's no evidence that Starfleet had a bigger or more prestigious class at the time of the commissioning of the Enterprise-B - which itself was so significant it was considered a public relations event. The Enterprise-B was clearly a large, powerful, cutting edge ship. At the time of her commissioning (2293) the Excelsior herself had only been in service for ~8 years (assuming service entry in 2285). It's simply not true that the Excelsior-class had been 'around for a while'.

Enterprise-C we don't know, but as you said the -D and -E were new, high tech ships and so was the -F.

The overwhelming preponderance of evidence is that the Federation flagship is meant to be a large, prestigious command. The Enteprise-G doesn't fit this pedigree at all, its inconsistent with both the Enterprise name and the Titan's legacy.
 
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Enterprise-C we don't know, but as you said the -D and -E were new, high tech ships and so was the -F.

The overwhelming preponderance of evidence is that the Federation flagship is meant to be a large, prestigious command. The Enteprise-G doesn't fit this pedigree at all, its inconsistent with both the Enterprise name and the Titan's legacy.
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In all fairness, the Titan IS a new, high tech design...

Season 1 would tell use the Inquiry-Class is probably the top of the line at the moment, but I don't think an Enterprise absolutely has to be that.

Is it alittle different for the Enterprise to be a smaller ship? Sure.

HOWEVER... the Enterprise has always primarily been an exploration ship, making the E somewhat of an aberration.

This is a different era of Starfleet, the ships seem to be a bit more geared towards battle than previous generation. We know the Titan was specifically designed as an exploration ship... the Inquiry-Class seems to be have been created as a more battle-focused ship.

Starfleet is ALSO trying to harken back to the good 'ol days, creating new Constitutions and Excelsiors and what not.

Given that... we have retired the previous Enterprise and we have a new Constitution-Class designed for exploration? That also played a pivotal role in saving Starfleet as a whole...

Yeah, it's not unreasonable for it to be an Enterprise. Very much probably not Starfleet's original plan, i'm sure they were going to sit on the name for awhile and eventually make a new ship... but circumstances unfolded presented the opportunity.

I'm less aggro about the Enterprise , and more KurtzTrek leaning on this thing that like, every ship gets a letter suffix apparently now.
 
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The dog went into a bar and vanished, like every other original character in the first two seasons who wasn't Raffi.
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In all fairness we know what happened to most everyone. They didn't "vanish".

Soji is doing diplomatic work to try to make people not afraid of synths.
Rios is going to live it up through the Second American Civil War, Eugenics Wars and WW3.
Jurati is Other!Borg Queen.
Alton Soong died after creating the Datalore body.
Zhaban died.
Narek is probably in Federation custody, or possibly extradited to the Romulan Free State, and is irrelevant to the rest of the story anyway.

The only loose ends we really have are Laris and Elnor. Elnor presumably died on Excelsior but who knows, leaving Laris as the only person with any kind of plot or character significance left... and yeah, we probably should have gotten at least quick SOMETHING about that, be it a quick moment where Picard and Crusher confirm their time is over, or a quick "Oops, sorry" message from Picard to Laris.

To be honest though, I kind of wish none of them were around. Raffi was mostly pointless.
 
Word of god apparently was Elnor wasn't on the Exelsior when it blew up but beyond that he might as well have disappeared into the ether unless he pops up or is mentioned in a future film or show.
 
Alane1 said:
Word of god apparently was Elnor wasn't on the Exelsior when it blew up but beyond that he might as well have disappeared into the ether unless he pops up or is mentioned in a future film or show.
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On the one hand, I'd call this a stretch of an inference to be drawn from the text.

On the other hand, it might be fairly inferred by Raffi not having a nervous breakdown at the thought of Elnor's death at the end of this season the way she did at the beginning of last season.
 
Alane1 said:
Word of god apparently was Elnor wasn't on the Exelsior when it blew up but beyond that he might as well have disappeared into the ether unless he pops up or is mentioned in a future film or show.
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Word of god officially says that Ro and Shelby aren't necessarily dead. Which I feel is enough of an indictment of this season's WoG that I don't need to elaborate on it.
 
Mal-3 said:
Word of god officially says that Ro and Shelby aren't necessarily dead. Which I feel is enough of an indictment of this season's WoG that I don't need to elaborate on it.
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Yeah like…bro just own it, if you're gonna show Shelby getting 2:3rd's Mozambique drilled and Elnor's ship getting blown up (off screen, but it's unambiguous) it's kind've a bullshit to then go "Oh don't worry, they're still alive, totes magotes".

It's like Rowling say that Dumbledore is actually gay - nice I guess, but I wish it was actually in the story instead of scribbled in the margins.
 
Mal-3 said:
Word of god officially says that Ro and Shelby aren't necessarily dead. Which I feel is enough of an indictment of this season's WoG that I don't need to elaborate on it.
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I've seen that for Shelby, but with Ro what I saw was more 'she would have survived if we had had the budget and opportunity to bring Michelle Forbes back for the finale' (which I find far easier to buy than Shelby surviving - Ro's death was written in a way where in the context of Star Trek technology it would only have taken a little rewriting to have her survive but be unable to get back in touch until the finale, whereas with Shelby, two phaser blasts at short range that should be set to kill should not be survivable by a human).
 
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