I could see McGonagall setting up accommodations for Hazel to get into Gryffindor non verbally under the assumption that Hazel would be in Gryffindor
Gryffindor would be easiest to adjust because they have a guardian who can see and interact, so all McG has to do is tell the Pink Lady that one student will be communicating with written words instead of speech. Flitwick is also looking into changing the eagle knocker to accept written questions. These were the two houses McG thought Hazel was going to be Sorted into, not Hufflepuff.
I see that causing problems given using magic is how Hazel talks.
i think that isn't a banning of all magic per-say but more of a warning against certain pranksters and no fighting in the halls. i doubt hazel will get in trouble for using magic to communicate.
That was a line directly from the books, as was all of Dumbledore's speech. And no, she won't get in trouble for talking to people in the hallways. It was more of a no fighting rule.
Are there any official stances on the student numbers at Hogwarts? I mean, it seems to service the majority of The U.K., but from extremely casual observation, I can't help but to suspect that the number would be nearer to dozens. Still a lot, considering the issues that magic, a small staff, external interference from powerful and well-stocked guardians and political groups, and the general madness of the facility seem inclined to bring to bear, but they do seem to have the means to provide personal attention, albeit on an incidental basis.
Extrapolating from Harry's year we get a number of less than 300- which is frankly already too much for the size of the staff.
So the issue with how many Hogwarts students there are, and how it impacts the population of Wizarding Britain, is an interesting one. I take the stance that at least in Harry's year and all the years already present in the first book, there are 250-300 (40 in his year, 7 years to fill, 280). This actually isn't too much for the staff already present; I have a 7-year school schedule I created that has classes of ~20 students each, and everything fits together without any teachers having to teach overlapping classes. I even gave them one administrative period per week to catch up on their grading! Admittedly I scrapped all double classes that were mentioned in the books and took the position that they would go to each class 3 hours per week much like university, but with those underlying rules it works out nicely if I do say so myself. :)

What matters more is how this impacts the population of Wizard Britain. JKR estimated the total population to be roughly 3,000, which I find far too small. Especially considering the size of the Ministry. We know that there was a "Ministry task force of five hundred" people organizing the 1994 Quidditch World Cup and that did not deplete the Ministry of all its other services. Even if they contracted out half the work to people who normally didn't work at the Ministry, it still requires several hundred people to work in the Ministry. Let's estimate 500 total just to give us a round number to work with, although it is likely an underestimate. 1/6 of the population working directly for the government? That doesn't track.

Even if it is amusing to think about Fudge and Malfoy being so puffed up and proud about being the most important people in a small town.

No, my estimate is that Wizard Britain has to be at least ten times that, probably more along the lines of 50-100k. Still small, fewer people than all but the least populated county in the UK, but I think a better number to support an actual national population. It isn't like they will have an issue with space considering so many of them live in demiplanes/pocket dimensions.

Now what does that do to the number of school children? Let's pick an average lifespan for wizards of 100 years, not unbelievable considering Dumbledore was supposedly in his 110s or so and there were still witches alive who had been adults when he was a child. If we have 50-100k total population and assume that they are just replacing themselves, 7% should be in school during the Hogwarts range. That's 3.5 to 7 thousand kids, way more than we see any evidence for within Hogwarts itself.

My solution? Hogwarts is not the only magic school in Britain. It is the best, the most prestigious and competitive and comprehensive, but still one of about ten schools total. The children of the rich and powerful make up most of their students. You want a good job in the government? You had better hope you can get into the very few non-legacy seats they have per year, both for the name on your diploma and so you can rub elbows with the future elite whose patronage you'll need to climb the ranks.

Changing things up in this way also gives me some sociologic pressures to explain some of the behavior we see in canon. Most of the population would be the children and grandchildren of other wizards, Purebloods who have no connection to the Muggle world even though they aren't pompous self-styled quasi-lords like Lucius Malfoy. Where do the Muggleborns go to school? Mostly to Hogwarts, especially during Dumbledore's tenure as headmaster when it grew to basically all of them. It provides the best opportunity to pull them away from their Muggle families and push them entirely into the magical world where they "belong". What do you think the rest of the population thinks about that? How many people think they could have gone to a better school if there weren't so many Muggleborn around? How many people blame the Muggleborn for the lack of societal advancement available to them?

How many people quietly tell themselves, "The Muggleborns are taking jobs away from good, hardworking Purebloods"?

If you are starting to feel a creeping sense of dread right about now, don't worry. That's normal. NOW we see why there was no public outcry against Voldemort's takeover in book 7. Most people went along with it. Most people had their lives be completely unaffected. They were being promised a better life once the "undesirables" were gone, and they believed it because it fit with their own prejudices and assumptions.
Oh, is that why you seem defensive about it? That's not what I intended to imply. My point was more that she seemed to be trying to have her cake and eat it too, hiding her past but also not hiding what she'd need to in order to pull that off. Of course, you've since explained that I was misinterpreting her intentions, but that was my mindset at the time of my comment.
In that case, I apologize. It did feel a bit like being told that Hazel needed to tell everyone her life's story all at once, and by not doing that I was twisting her into a lying liar.
That seems shortsighted to me, because them realizing it means that they're at least going to attempt to end her globe-trotting ways, but I can understand her valuing being free in her interactions over constraining herself again.
Hazel quite frankly doesn't understand how important she is societally to Wizard Britain. After eight years of constant degradation by the Dursleys, her sense of self-worth is distorted. Especially her value to other people. The idea that anyone would have a problem with her going off and doing her own thing is still new, and even when the werewolves made a bit of a fuss they still went along with it. She therefore concluded that while it might not be "normal", it isn't a problem and no one's concern but her own.

Thankfully it's unclear how great the wizards' international tracking abilities are, and Hazel spends a lot of her time outside Britain. And if they tried to tie her down to one place… I feel like that's a situation many readers are looking forward to.
Setting aside the idea that he could feel her probe him during the feast, as I assume (from my understanding of it in canon) that the always-on Legilimency is essentially her subconsciously probing everyone rather than "thoughts are automatically projected onto the psychic plane" or whatnot that's sometimes used in other settings, because my assumptions of its mechanics could be mistaken...
The way I picture it is that it is more passive than directed probes. It's more a net of awareness, and even that isn't the best comparison. The point is that the mechanics are different; a brush, not a spear. So did Dumbledore feel something? Probably. Did he recognize it as Legilimency? Maybe, maybe not.

Did he know it was Hazel doing it? Absolutely not. She is a natural, passive Legilimens. She doesn't need eye contact, a wand, nothing. There are no tells that she is listening to your thoughts other than reacting to what you think but don't say. Even that can be explained away as her just being insightful and good at reading people.

Plus, this IS something she intentionally hides due to her time with the Dursleys. She knows telling people that she can read minds would be a Bad Thing.
There absolutely is a reason--the blood protections failed.

Yes, I know he was on the Continent when the alarm went off, Fawkes was with him, the portraits all forgot, etc. But I expected it to be something that he could tell if he did check, and I would have expected him to check before this point. Like, once a year, on Halloween, or her birthday? Or when she was due at Hogwarts? Something, regardless of whether he sees Hazel as a child to be protected or a tool to be wielded.
Meanwhile I don't think it would be something he would routinely check. He has no reason to do so. It hasn't made a peep in ten years, so while he might have – MIGHT HAVE – checked on a semi-regular basis the first few years, he is confident that all is as it should be.

After all, he has three full-time jobs. Even if he half-assed all of them, which I honestly don't see a good Dumbledore doing, that is still 1½ jobs. He doesn't have the time to go looking for problems to solve. If everything looks on the up-and-up, his attention will be focused on something else that actually needs to be dealt with right now. A blood ward monitor that is behaving itself and sitting quietly on the shelf doesn't qualify.
Also, it's a bit more than not volunteering; you're deliberately phrasing things so that she doesn't give too much away. Hazel mentioned she knows some potions, but doesn't mention that she learned from hags (not suspicious to omit, but that's the kind of detail that people tend to drop in that kind of 'getting to know you' conversation). Hazel told the boy she uses magic differently from him, when she could have just as easily said she uses druid magic instead, or the like.
I certainly didn't TRY to phrase the potions comment in a way that was secretive. Sally-Anne asked a question about classes, so neither Hazel nor I thought the source of information was relevant to the answer. The writing comment she was evasive on, I'll admit to that, but I felt her in-character reason for that was reasonable. She was hungry and didn't want to get into that long of a conversation right at that moment. Plus, something I tried to make clear but may not have been successful with, she Does Not Do Well with crowds of people. She spent the entire walk to the Sorting Hat wanting to run away, and then even with everyone's attention off her she still was feeling overwhelmed to the point that psychic overload was causing her physical pain. That does not lead to being a great conversation partner.

There was also an out of character reason I didn't want to get into Hazel's spark-writing. This chapter had already taken too long for me to write and post as it was, and it tried to get away from me several times anyway. Throwing all THAT in was more stuff I just didn't want to put to the page right now, but I had to address it in some way because not having Cedric be surprised would have been LESS believable.
...though I have to ask. Are you...expecting a bunch of children who are meeting each other for the first time to not ask or talk about themselves or their lives prior to this? We certainly learn a cliffs notes about the other boys of Gryffindor in canon during this feast, and Hufflepuff is supposed to be friendlier. Even without that, all it would take is one Puff curious about the Girl-Who-Lived in particular to ask, and if she's not hiding it, out it goes. I honestly expected her to introduce herself as a druid--it's how she identifies herself, after all. Why not?
Oh, the Hufflepuff first years were doing some scattered meet-and-greet. Not as an entire group because of where they were all sitting, but some. Hazel just wasn't taking part in it. Some of that was because it took place during dessert, same as the Gryffindors did in canon, and she was feeling sick to her stomach on top of her headache. Some of it was the desire to finish this chapter I mentioned above.

And some of it was because I already have a scene planned for more of a get-to-know-you conversation with the first-year Puffs so I just didn't think about including it during the dinner scene when I can see it further down in my notes. (Next chapter, ironically.)
 
Most people went along with it. Most people had their lives be completely unaffected. They were being promised a better life once the "undesirables" were gone, and they believed it because it fit with their own prejudices and assumptions.
Wow, that's Repressions 101, and fits the setting perfectly, too. Never thought that augmenting canon to include more schools and people would lead to this explanation.
 
I'm sure the fact that Harry's year and all those preceding it were active war years also played a part in the number of children.

Ofcourse that would also mean Luna's year should have a baby boom in comparison.
 
1/6 of the population working directly for the government? That doesn't track.
Why? UK is at about 8% or 1/12 today, twice that does not seem that farfetched. Norway is at 17%. This is counting all population, not only working age.

Loving the story BTW, just got stuck thinking about this point.

Edit: and Dumbledore was working until he was 115 and still getting into duels, which means the ratio of working population vs children/retirees is even more skewed than here.
 
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7% should be in school during the Hogwarts range.
Just out of curiosity, how did you arrive to that number? I mean, I can see the connection between "live 100 years, spends 7 of them in school" and it, but for whatever reason it feels like a strange number overall. Like there should be more considerations going into it, but I'm not sure what off the top of my mind.

I also agree that saying "1/6th of the population working in government is too much" is a very weird statement in my experience as well; I don't have precise numbers, but in general when I was in school it felt like at least one person in four had a parent working government jobs. And that's without counting that, in my country, teachers and hospital staff are about 90% state employees as well. So... I would say a sixth of the population being in government does feel like it'd make sense, to me, in an intuitive manner.

Ofcourse that would also mean Luna's year should have a baby boom in comparison.
Not trying to defend Rowling or anything, but we didn't see the sorting in year 2 or 3, and the following years there was no real focus on the students being sorted at all. So, in theory, it's possible there was a baby boom that wasn't actually described. I mean, textually, there's no contrary evidence, unlike the tons of evidence that there's no other Wizarding school than Hogwarts, so it can be argued to be the canonical state of things that, indeed, population in the years after Harry's was much greater. It's certainly a more canon-compliant argument to make than inventing new schools that were never mentioned. In my opinion, people being home-schooled would be far more likely than more wizarding schools being around in Britain, and I don't really think that's all that likely either.
 
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Gryffindor would be easiest to adjust because they have a guardian who can see and interact, so all McG has to do is tell the Pink Lady that one student will be communicating with written words instead of speech. Flitwick is also looking into changing the eagle knocker to accept written questions. These were the two houses McG thought Hazel was going to be Sorted into, not Hufflepuff.


That was a line directly from the books, as was all of Dumbledore's speech. And no, she won't get in trouble for talking to people in the hallways. It was more of a no fighting rule.


So the issue with how many Hogwarts students there are, and how it impacts the population of Wizarding Britain, is an interesting one. I take the stance that at least in Harry's year and all the years already present in the first book, there are 250-300 (40 in his year, 7 years to fill, 280). This actually isn't too much for the staff already present; I have a 7-year school schedule I created that has classes of ~20 students each, and everything fits together without any teachers having to teach overlapping classes. I even gave them one administrative period per week to catch up on their grading! Admittedly I scrapped all double classes that were mentioned in the books and took the position that they would go to each class 3 hours per week much like university, but with those underlying rules it works out nicely if I do say so myself. :)

What matters more is how this impacts the population of Wizard Britain. JKR estimated the total population to be roughly 3,000, which I find far too small. Especially considering the size of the Ministry. We know that there was a "Ministry task force of five hundred" people organizing the 1994 Quidditch World Cup and that did not deplete the Ministry of all its other services. Even if they contracted out half the work to people who normally didn't work at the Ministry, it still requires several hundred people to work in the Ministry. Let's estimate 500 total just to give us a round number to work with, although it is likely an underestimate. 1/6 of the population working directly for the government? That doesn't track.

Even if it is amusing to think about Fudge and Malfoy being so puffed up and proud about being the most important people in a small town.

No, my estimate is that Wizard Britain has to be at least ten times that, probably more along the lines of 50-100k. Still small, fewer people than all but the least populated county in the UK, but I think a better number to support an actual national population. It isn't like they will have an issue with space considering so many of them live in demiplanes/pocket dimensions.

Now what does that do to the number of school children? Let's pick an average lifespan for wizards of 100 years, not unbelievable considering Dumbledore was supposedly in his 110s or so and there were still witches alive who had been adults when he was a child. If we have 50-100k total population and assume that they are just replacing themselves, 7% should be in school during the Hogwarts range. That's 3.5 to 7 thousand kids, way more than we see any evidence for within Hogwarts itself.

My solution? Hogwarts is not the only magic school in Britain. It is the best, the most prestigious and competitive and comprehensive, but still one of about ten schools total. The children of the rich and powerful make up most of their students. You want a good job in the government? You had better hope you can get into the very few non-legacy seats they have per year, both for the name on your diploma and so you can rub elbows with the future elite whose patronage you'll need to climb the ranks.
I generally assume in the other direction: the castle is plainly big enough to support a much larger student population, and there's frequent mention of "unused classrooms" so it's not as though that's just that it's a castle that didn't used to be a school and only a small part was ever converted into one. But Harry's generation is, after all, the kids born towards the tail end of a civil war in which one side resorted to terror tactics – so you'll have adults dropping as victims as well as fallen soldiers of both sides, and not many of the survivors having kids while it's happening. I'd expect a significant magical-UK baby boom starting to arrive around Harry's third year.

And, well, the rest of it does sort of track for self-important small-town bigshot, and as far as the high percentage of adults employed in government... well, what else is there? There's no large industries or corporate entities in evidence, magic vastly increases the amount of stuff that people can get done on their own time without much effort. Running shops, farming potions ingredients... if the population is small, there's only so much of that kind of thing to do, but if there's idle people and a political distaste for welfare, bureaucracy can expand almost without bound to find somewhere to put them. Also, maintaining Secrecy is probably a pretty big job and increasing continually in demand, and that's definitely government.
 
There being more magic schools in Britain is definitely the sensible solution to the population issues, yes.

As for it not being supported by canon... eh? Like no, clearly Rowling didn't intend it to be the case, but Harry was also a very incurious person who was entirely unconcerned with things that didn't directly effect him- its absolutely believable that there were half a dozen other magic schools in Britain and he just never heard about them.

Also, not to put too fine a point on it, but if we're going entirely with Rowling's canon we're expected to believe that there's only three schools that service the entirety of Europe- and then only one school for all of North America. Same for South America. and Africa. And apparently Asia- there's a school listed for Japan but nothing for the entire rest of the continent.

So, clearly, going with the actual canon on the matter isn't workable here.

Also there's just so much more you can do with the magical world if you expand it from the thin pastiche we see in canon- for that, I'd point not only at this fic but really anything inwardtransience has written in the setting.
 
In that case, I apologize. It did feel a bit like being told that Hazel needed to tell everyone her life's story all at once, and by not doing that I was twisting her into a lying liar.
No worries, tone is hard to parse in text. I know my phrasing can sometimes be better; sorry if I messed it up here.
Hazel quite frankly doesn't understand how important she is societally to Wizard Britain. After eight years of constant degradation by the Dursleys, her sense of self-worth is distorted. Especially her value to other people. The idea that anyone would have a problem with her going off and doing her own thing is still new, and even when the werewolves made a bit of a fuss they still went along with it. She therefore concluded that while it might not be "normal", it isn't a problem and no one's concern but her own.
Ah, I meant in the same way that she avoided muggle adults because she didn't want to be sent back to the Dursleys.

But magical adults, well, who knows what they could do to make it stick?

All of that just being basic 'welfare of the child' stuff that she already has applied to herself, even if she thinks it shouldn't.
Thankfully it's unclear how great the wizards' international tracking abilities are, and Hazel spends a lot of her time outside Britain. And if they tried to tie her down to one place… I feel like that's a situation many readers are looking forward to.
...yeah, that does sound like a fun scene :lol: Though...hm, I guess she could figure out a way to get rid of trackers...

I went back and checked, and at least on here, I didn't see discussion of this, so I guess I'll ask now--how did those two Ministry workers track her, back in Chapter 11? Apparently they were only tracking her Apparition, but we know from DH that Apparition can't be tracked unless you go along with them.

I'd wonder if it was the Trace, since we don't actually know when they apply it...but if it was the Trace, they'd know who they were following. The racist wouldn't have called her a Mudblood, in that case...but he did call her a bitch, which is gendered. Hm. Might have been from talking to people on either end, or...did Dumbledore mess with the Trace records, so that she was there under an assumed name, to keep Death Eaters or the like from hunting her down pre-Hogwarts? Assuming that the Trace is placed early in this fic...

Honestly, how the Ministry deals with muggleborns' accidental magic is always kinda baffling to me. Like, are they tracking it? I could see it if they don't, to theoretically reduce their workload...but if they don't, then how do they keep magic from getting out? And if they do, why not tell the parents early, so that they can work with the Ministry to hide the magic? Just makes more work for them this way...

Though I shouldn't be surprised. Life is rife with penny-wise, pound-foolish choices. That's probably it, really, they try to save a few Knuts (and salve their racism) by not telling the parents, which creates more problems with magical events going on, but that's not this department's problem! Or the like.
The way I picture it is that it is more passive than directed probes. It's more a net of awareness, and even that isn't the best comparison. The point is that the mechanics are different; a brush, not a spear. So did Dumbledore feel something? Probably. Did he recognize it as Legilimency? Maybe, maybe not.
Hmm, alright.
Meanwhile I don't think it would be something he would routinely check. He has no reason to do so. It hasn't made a peep in ten years, so while he might have – MIGHT HAVE – checked on a semi-regular basis the first few years, he is confident that all is as it should be.

After all, he has three full-time jobs. Even if he half-assed all of them, which I honestly don't see a good Dumbledore doing, that is still 1½ jobs. He doesn't have the time to go looking for problems to solve. If everything looks on the up-and-up, his attention will be focused on something else that actually needs to be dealt with right now. A blood ward monitor that is behaving itself and sitting quietly on the shelf doesn't qualify.
Yeah, I'm one of the people who thinks that he has a Time-Turner just to get through his basic day, with how ridiculously busy he has to be. Though the legislative ones could plausibly not be full-time at all...anyway, I get what you mean, it just feels very careless to me. Only checking once a year seems incredibly careless, honestly, especially since he evidently didn't prep anything for what should happen if an alarm goes off and he's not there.

But it's not like he never made a careless or negligent mistake in canon, so alright.
I certainly didn't TRY to phrase the potions comment in a way that was secretive. Sally-Anne asked a question about classes, so neither Hazel nor I thought the source of information was relevant to the answer. The writing comment she was evasive on, I'll admit to that, but I felt her in-character reason for that was reasonable. She was hungry and didn't want to get into that long of a conversation right at that moment. Plus, something I tried to make clear but may not have been successful with, she Does Not Do Well with crowds of people. She spent the entire walk to the Sorting Hat wanting to run away, and then even with everyone's attention off her she still was feeling overwhelmed to the point that psychic overload was causing her physical pain. That does not lead to being a great conversation partner.
Yes, those are reasonable. Like I said, it's not suspicious that she's not revealing the info, I just think there were a few points that it would plausibly come up.
And some of it was because I already have a scene planned for more of a get-to-know-you conversation with the first-year Puffs so I just didn't think about including it during the dinner scene when I can see it further down in my notes. (Next chapter, ironically.)
Now I'm amused at the idea of an older student telling the younger students to hush up and tuck in, because they will be doing all that later inside the dormitory.
I'm sure the fact that Harry's year and all those preceding it were active war years also played a part in the number of children.

Ofcourse that would also mean Luna's year should have a baby boom in comparison.
Harry was 15 months when he became the BWL, so the baby boom would be about 2 years after his, or Romilda's year.
And, well, the rest of it does sort of track for self-important small-town bigshot, and as far as the high percentage of adults employed in government... well, what else is there? There's no large industries or corporate entities in evidence, magic vastly increases the amount of stuff that people can get done on their own time without much effort. Running shops, farming potions ingredients... if the population is small, there's only so much of that kind of thing to do, but if there's idle people and a political distaste for welfare, bureaucracy can expand almost without bound to find somewhere to put them. Also, maintaining Secrecy is probably a pretty big job and increasing continually in demand, and that's definitely government.
Yeah, magic's flexibility can result in some really weird outcomes.

Even without that, the muggle:wizard ratio is so skewed that you could easily have one family just purchase all of the Wizarding World's food from Muggles. Think of all the jobs they need to fill with so few spent on agriculture.
Also, not to put too fine a point on it, but if we're going entirely with Rowling's canon we're expected to believe that there's only three schools that service the entirety of Europe- and then only one school for all of North America. Same for South America. and Africa. And apparently Asia- there's a school listed for Japan but nothing for the entire rest of the continent.
As I understand it, those were supposed to be the Hogwarts-tier schools, not the only schools that exist. Her foreword also included mention that a great many simply home-school or have correspondence courses or the like, iirc...but I agree that even so, the list is lopsided at best.
 
Why? UK is at about 8% or 1/12 today, twice that does not seem that farfetched. Norway is at 17%. This is counting all population, not only working age.
Is that everyone whose paycheck comes from federal money, or specifically bureaucracy/admin and clerical work? Because from what we see of the Ministry, I am speaking specifically of the latter. Well, plus law enforcement.
Just out of curiosity, how did you arrive to that number? I mean, I can see the connection between "live 100 years, spends 7 of them in school" and it, but for whatever reason it feels like a strange number overall. Like there should be more considerations going into it, but I'm not sure what off the top of my mind.
That was how. For this kind of math with this many unknowns, I'm making it as straightforward as possible to limit assumptions.
I don't have precise numbers, but in general when I was in school it felt like at least one person in four had a parent working government jobs.
Meanwhile I knew very few people growing up whose parents had government jobs. Not saying either of us is wrong or had the more typical childhood, but it is an interesting contrast.
I generally assume in the other direction: the castle is plainly big enough to support a much larger student population, and there's frequent mention of "unused classrooms" so it's not as though that's just that it's a castle that didn't used to be a school and only a small part was ever converted into one. But Harry's generation is, after all, the kids born towards the tail end of a civil war in which one side resorted to terror tactics – so you'll have adults dropping as victims as well as fallen soldiers of both sides, and not many of the survivors having kids while it's happening. I'd expect a significant magical-UK baby boom starting to arrive around Harry's third year.
I don't consider 300 to be Hogwarts's maximum size; McG lamented how small the classes were before the sorting. But 600-700 feels like a good size for an elite school.
well, what else is there? There's no large industries or corporate entities in evidence, magic vastly increases the amount of stuff that people can get done on their own time without much effort. Running shops, farming potions ingredients... if the population is small, there's only so much of that kind of thing to do
What kind of jobs are available?

Most basic, food production. I know of several fics where it is assumed that wizards buy food from Muggles, and I won't say that is an unreasonable summation, particularly if you stick with JKR's numbers. It is also not the only explanation. When you start including the idea of pockets of compressed space like we see in Diagon, land is cheap and produces one of the things you can't transfigure or conjure.

We see book stores in canon. Many of them seem mass produced. That means there is 1) someone producing them, especially in a culture with little to no machinery, and 2) resources being used to produce them. Procuring them is part of a job.

We know parchmentt and in are sold, and that by itself means that there is some degree of scarcity. People aren't making writing materials ex nihilo left and right out there or there would be no reason to sell them. At that point, whether there are made from natural sources or can only be conjured by a select group is immaterial.

Brooms. We hear off two companies of broomstick makers in Britain, Cleansweep and Nimbus. The Firebolt is used by Quidditch players in other countries, so clearly exportation is happening. Production, shipping, selling to retailers; all jobs that need a worker.

While we are talking about exports, dragon parts. Britain, or at least from what I gathered from the books, is one of few countries to have its own dragon reserves. Dragon products are limited, which means raising dragons, harvesting ingredients and scales, and turning them into something else is something that needs doing.

Or the flip side, imports. Potion ingredients. Silk. Spices (it's food, remember?). Gems. Rare metals. Plenty more things that aren't coming off the top of my head.

Wherever there is law enforcement and courts, there is the legal profession. Lawyers, clerks.

Construction is certainly a possibility. How many people are going around making their own houses? CAN houses be wholly or partially conjured? Because if the answer is no, then there is also those resources to grow and collect.

These are just the ones I came up with after a couple of minutes. A lot of them aren't GLAMOROUS, and most are very mundane, but it is certainly enough work to justify a larger population.

And not to argue but just because the thought came to me,
but if there's idle people and a political distaste for welfare, bureaucracy can expand almost without bound to find somewhere to put them
Is there any true difference between this and welfare? To my eyes, no.
 
I don't like double posting, but my phone wouldn't let me write a response long enough to include this.
I went back and checked, and at least on here, I didn't see discussion of this, so I guess I'll ask now--how did those two Ministry workers track her, back in Chapter 11? Apparently they were only tracking her Apparition, but we know from DH that Apparition can't be tracked unless you go along with them.
So the weird part is that the Ministry HAS to have some way to track Apparation because part of the Department of Magical Catastrophes or whatever it's called is the Splinching office. The Patronus is a rare spell, using it as a messenger is rarer (and possibly limited to the Order?), so there needs to be some way for the Ministry to find people who have Splinched themselves and need to be put back together.
The racist wouldn't have called her a Mudblood, in that case...but he did call her a bitch, which is gendered. Hm. Might have been from talking to people on either end,
So this is fun. They knew who they were tracking, but not who that person really was. What I mean is that they had a description; she teleported in front of a janitor when she was getting materials for her satchel, and he got a great look at her from just a few feet away. They knew they were chasing an underage witch, probably Muggleborn. That was WHY they were after her in the first place: Apparating without a license and violating the Statute of Secrecy.

But because all they had was a description, they didn't realize it was HAZEL POTTER they were after.

In my head canon and therefore my stories, the Trace is not applied on a person. It is applied on a wand. That means that yes, a child using their parent's wand will not get them in trouble. It also has implications for Hazel considering she has no wand…
 
my head canon and therefore my stories, the Trace is not applied on a person. It is applied on a wand. That means that yes, a child using their parent's wand will not get them in trouble. It also has implications for Hazel considering she has no wand
I think that is a popular headcanon because I have seen it used to explain even further bigotry towards Muggleborn as they would not have wizard parents who could let them practice magic.
 
That's 3.5 to 7 thousand kids, way more than we see any evidence for within Hogwarts itself.
One thing I saw mentioned as a possible contributing factor when it comes to the Hogwarts student population is that Voldemort's first war artificially suppressed the wizarding birth rate among half-bloods and the pogroms prior and post war decreased the number of muggleborn attending around Harry's generation.
 
One thing I saw mentioned as a possible contributing factor when it comes to the Hogwarts student population is that Voldemort's first war artificially suppressed the wizarding birth rate among half-bloods and the pogroms prior and post war decreased the number of muggleborn attending around Harry's generation.
True, but to cut the birth rate down by an order of magnitude?

And, very important, depending on how you define "Pureblood", a population of 100k might have a small proportion of Halfbloods and Muggleborns. For what it's worth, my stories tend to classify that as no non-wizard for three generations; i.e., all your great-grandparents being wizards/witches. That is the minimum separation from the Muggle world you need, but as with any racially segregated society, more is preferred.
 
And, well, the rest of it does sort of track for self-important small-town bigshot, and as far as the high percentage of adults employed in government... well, what else is there? There's no large industries or corporate entities in evidence, magic vastly increases the amount of stuff that people can get done on their own time without much effort. Running shops, farming potions ingredients... if the population is small, there's only so much of that kind of thing to do, but if there's idle people and a political distaste for welfare, bureaucracy can expand almost without bound to find somewhere to put them. Also, maintaining Secrecy is probably a pretty big job and increasing continually in demand, and that's definitely government.

In addition to that, we know that the sports industry is seemingly government run. At least, there's more evidence for that than there is for the medical industry.
 
One thing that I rarely see mentioned is that most magicals probably don't speak English, or at least not as their primary language.

When Secrecy was enacted they were still speaking old English and the centuries of isolation would've caused significant lingual drift.
Most probably speak some form of Old English or Gaelic. There's also likely a distinct accent among Magical Britain.

You're probably more likely to find someone who speaks French than Modern English, seeing as French was the international language of diplomacy at the time.
 
One thing that I rarely see mentioned is that most magicals probably don't speak English, or at least not as their primary language.

When Secrecy was enacted they were still speaking old English and the centuries of isolation would've caused significant lingual drift.
Most probably speak some form of Old English or Gaelic. There's also likely a distinct accent among Magical Britain.

You're probably more likely to find someone who speaks French than Modern English, seeing as French was the international language of diplomacy at the time.
The statue in canon, was established somewhere in the 1600-1700s (I think), Old English has long since died out by then. Instead you'll get some form of early modern English. There's also centuries of immigration, to bring some form of modern English in.

But the part about French has merit, especially if we decide to go completely off the rails in canon and say, the native Americans mages managed to resist colonization and threw them back to the ocean, added with magical Britain never managed to became a great power it is, it's unlikely English would've replaced French as the international language.
 
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One thing that I rarely see mentioned is that most magicals probably don't speak English, or at least not as their primary language.

When Secrecy was enacted they were still speaking old English and the centuries of isolation would've caused significant lingual drift.
Most probably speak some form of Old English or Gaelic. There's also likely a distinct accent among Magical Britain.

You're probably more likely to find someone who speaks French than Modern English, seeing as French was the international language of diplomacy at the time.
Huh. I've never thought of that. Such a fantastic point! I'm Irish, so I wonder with that train of thought were the Irish wizards insulated from British rule and still speak Gaeilge to this day? Very, very interesting thought.

Also, wow, this chapter made me sad. Its all fun and games going on wild wacky adventures but this is a very real bat to the head saying "This child is deprived." I wonder if the House of Loyalty will cop on better than most that she really hasn't had an ideal upbringing, and what consequences if any will arise from that. Give her a hug, God damn it.
 
I seem to remember that most people peg Magical Britain's population at around 10k, but conversely the total population of Hogwarts works out to around 700 including staff, maybe including House Elves. Especially when you remember that the war with Grindlewald happened when Riddle was in Hogwarts.
 
So the weird part is that the Ministry HAS to have some way to track Apparation because part of the Department of Magical Catastrophes or whatever it's called is the Splinching office. The Patronus is a rare spell, using it as a messenger is rarer (and possibly limited to the Order?), so there needs to be some way for the Ministry to find people who have Splinched themselves and need to be put back together.

I always assumed that was because Splinching is explicitly you apparating with only part of your body, leaving part behind. That means that you can track one part with the other (Like calls to Like).
As a bonus, that adds a reason why emergency-apparating away from fights is a bad idea - you could Splinch parts of yourself, leaving a way for enemies to track you to your hideout.
 
While we are talking about exports, dragon parts. Britain, or at least from what I gathered from the books, is one of few countries to have its own dragon reserves.
Dragon reserves, huh? Well, if they're as useful as oil reserves, I think I know what the next magical war will be...
The statue in canon, was established somewhere in the 1600-1700s (I think), Old English has long since died out by then. Instead you'll get some form of early modern English. There's also centuries of immigration, to bring some form of modern English in.

But the part about French has merit, especially if we decide to go completely off the rails in canon and say, the native Americans mages managed to resist colonization and threw them back to the ocean, added with magical Britain never managed to became a great power it is, it's unlikely English would've replaced French as the international language.
It was established between '89 & '92.

...Of the 17th Century.

The most notable events relevant to the European Powers happening around that time were the Glorious Revolution in England and the Coalition Wars against France. Could those have provided the impetus for the Statute of Secrecy? Hell if I know. Thing is that wizarding history, as made up by the CEO of TERFs, doesn't work. For instance, Merlin was apparently a Hogwarts student. Hogwarts, the school that was founded in the 10th century.

Think about that.

Let it sink in for a little.

Give up all hope of the Author being alive and make up a wizarding history that makes actual goddamn sense!
 
For instance, Merlin was apparently a Hogwarts student. Hogwarts, the school that was founded in the 10th century.

Think about that.

Let it sink in for a little.

Historical Merlin, also known as Myrddin Wyllt, Merlin Caledonensis, or Merlin Sylvestrus lived from about 540 to August 584.

The Historia Regum Britanniae explains that when Merlin died he was "400 Summers his Lord" (His Lord would be Arthur and Arthur died in his 40's to 60's). So we can assume that Merlin was around 440-460 years old.

And wasn't Merlin born as an old man and then aged backwards? So he could have actually lived til the end of the 10th century, year 1000 AD, and attended Hogwarts at some point near the end of his life as a young child?
 
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