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Spells in Silence (Harry Potter)

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Silently Watches said:
'Why is making a tool important? You said something loses magic if it is changed from its natural state.'

The hag waggled her hand in an ambivalent gesture. "Yes and no. If made thoughtlessly, yes. If made without magic, yes. But if it is made with a purpose, a direction of will, the magic of its nature will be aligned with the purpose that created it. It is much the same as the Making in general," she said with a nod towards the satchel, "except that a tool like this will act as a conduit for your own magic when you create something else in addition to refining its own qualities."
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Was it ever mentionned what the stone knife Hazel crafted with the hags back in chapter 20 actually does ?
It was used to prove she can use the Making but I dont think the magical properties of the knife were ever covered. It could have a significant impact if it effects every ingredient she cuts before making a potion or any plant that needs to be trimmed in Herbology class.
 
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I think Hazel will have some mixed feelings while at Hogwarts. The teachers may not be up to the task of instructing her when she doesn't use a wand as a conduit for her magic. But I think she will certainly enjoy exploring the castle. I can imagine her finding all sorts of hidden passageways and rooms in her spare time when she isn't looking deeper into magic and it's mysteries.
 
Isiri Pudireach said:
At least Mcgonagall should be smart enough to keep her out of them standard curriculum... Right? Why do I hear laughter?
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Oh, that's just the universe. It does that a lot; you learn to ignore it eventually.

I suspect that the next chapter or two might be a little... rough. Hogwarts being a veddy British school for budding toffs probably ain't gonna be super-welcoming to our little druid, and it's gonna take a lot of Hufflepuff Loyalty[tm] to keep Hazel from just blowing this popsicle stand after her first encounter with HERO~ House and/or Evil House.
 
flogoyog said:
Was it ever mentionned what the stone knife Hazel crafted with the hags back in chapter 20 actually does ?
It was used to prove she can use the Making but I dont think the magical properties of the knife were ever covered. It could have a significant impact if it effects every ingredient she cuts before making a potion or any plant that needs to be trimmed in Herbology class.
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It cuts. That's… basically it at the moment. The important thing is that since it is a product of the Making, it serves as a direct extension of her will whenever she Makes anything else, such as her campfire orb. And yes, it would have a subtle effect on magical plants she tends to in Herbology or harvests for potions ingredients.
 
Silently Watches said:
It cuts. That's… basically it at the moment. The important thing is that since it is a product of the Making, it serves as a direct extension of her will whenever she Makes anything else, such as her campfire orb. And yes, it would have a subtle effect on magical plants she tends to in Herbology or harvests for potions ingredients.
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Subtle like the Silver Knife trick Snape used?
 
Cookiesndip said:
It was all a black ops framing conspiracy perpetuated by the true dark lord, Dumbledore, to cover up the truth behind his nefarious deeds (e.g. making a Horcrux), while defaming the sole man who might oppose him. Moldy Shorts is a goddamn hero fighting a running battle against the true dark lord. Dumbledore has been funneling funds from the Potter inheritance into his terrorist group and propaganda machine, the Order of the Phoenix, while claiming the cloak for himself, getting one step closer to the unlimited power he desires. At least, this is what fanfiction tells me.
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All the Evil Dumbeldore fanfiction, are all making one mistake, they don't go far enough.

You often see him having bounded Fawkes to him, by force.
Having a Horcrux and so on.
But nobody really combined them all into the same action that results in Horcrux Fawked, enslaved by being killed in order to create the Horcrux.
Now is that not a pretty indistructable one???
If you go Evil Dumbeldore, then you better go all the way.

It's pretty evil, in a cheating gamer way, would you folks not say so?
 
Silently Watches said:
Not exactly. Since it is a conduit for her will, if she harvests ingredients with it for a potion she herself will brew, the potion will be a little bit more potent. Plus it has other features she hasn't learned yet, but that is for a chapter in the not-too-distant future.
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This would potentially explain some differences between Hag Recipes for Brewing and Wizarding Potions Recipes, besides the inherent magical differences between the two. Hags use items like their knife and other tools which help ingredients naturally be a bit more potent, while wizards in general have to deal with them in a less potent state. It probably won't be a big deal with the early relatively simple potions recipes, but as they get more difficult, she will probably have to adjust every recipe.

That she needs to make adjustments to wizarding recipes to get them to brew truly properly really would seem to suggest that she isn't a normal witch and would be a point in favor of Elfriede and Companies theories about her being 1/4 Hag. The impossibility for her to truly wand-wave would be another strong point in that favor. Its not true, but its extremely reasonable for them to believe it.
 
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GlassMask said:
Hags use items like their knife and other tools which help ingredients naturally be a bit more potent, while wizards in general have to deal with them in a less potent state.
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Was it not the other way around? Hags do not have access to good ingredients like wizards do and have to make due with poorer ingredients and more prep to make up for it like we do with pig feet and oxtail.
 
Sivantic said:
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Was it not the other way around? Hags do not have access to good ingredients like wizards do and have to make due with poorer ingredients and more prep to make up for it like we do with pig feet and oxtail.
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That's a difference in availability, but Hags also would naturally strengthen such ingredients via using their tools. Hazel would as well.

Wizards otoh while they have access to more ingredients they would not be able to naturally strengthen like Hazel and Hags do. They can artificially do so, but it's not the same.

Imagine it like this, a simple potion which uses dandelions and say snails. A hag or Hazel would need less of each to get the same effect as a wizard because their tools imbue a bit more of their power in the ingredients.
 
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Vianca said:
All the Evil Dumbeldore fanfiction, are all making one mistake, they don't go far enough.

You often see him having bounded Fawkes to him, by force.
Having a Horcrux and so on.
But nobody really combined them all into the same action that results in Horcrux Fawked, enslaved by being killed in order to create the Horcrux.
Now is that not a pretty indistructable one???
If you go Evil Dumbeldore, then you better go all the way.

It's pretty evil, in a cheating gamer way, would you folks not say so?
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It'd be a pretty ballsy move to make a pheonix your horcrux. After all, pheonixes do die (then get reborn), and you wouldn't necessarily know if that counted as destroying the horcrux. Might be that the flames of resurrection rebirth the pheonix but your soul fragment goes up in smoke.

If it works, of course, it's a pretty cunning plan - but making a penny into your horcrux and tossing it into a landfill site is probably safer in the long run. People might be able to find your pheonix. They won't find the penny.
 
Emagstar said:
If it works, of course, it's a pretty cunning plan - but making a penny into your horcrux and tossing it into a landfill site is probably safer in the long run. People might be able to find your pheonix. They won't find the penny.
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I saw a good theory that the place where you put the horcrux must be significant to you in some way the same way the iteks are, which would explain why Voldemort put all his horcruxes in personal places without saying he was an idiot.
 
The other issue with say, throwing a horcrux penny into a landfill is that if you do die and need to be resurrected with the horcrux... Well, it's buried in a landfill. Not getting resurrected.
 
GlassMask said:
That's a difference in availability, but Hags also would naturally strengthen such ingredients via using their tools. Hazel would as well.

Wizards otoh while they have access to more ingredients they would not be able to naturally strengthen like Hazel and Hags do. They can artificially do so, but it's not the same.

Imagine it like this, a simple potion which uses dandelions and say snails. A hag or Hazel would need less of each to get the same effect as a wizard because their tools imbue a bit more of their power in the ingredients.
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That...is not it at all

Silently Watches said:
"The best potions need the best ingredients. Good ingredients are expensive; bad ingredients are cheap but will make inferior potions. Ingredients we get from the forest are free, but their quality is variable. We can get around that by concentrating and distilling some ingredients into their essence, and when we cannot do that – sometimes even when we can – it is possible to alter the steps for each recipe so as to enhance the relevant property of the ingredients." Gertrud grabbed a handful of chopped leaves and weighed them in her hand for a moment before returning a big pinch to the table and dumping the remainder into the cauldron next to her before starting to stir it with a long wooden spoon. "Our mother could make those adjustments by instinct. I am not that good, so I have to use a chart. It does the job."
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Hags also need good ingredients. Snape was also able to alter the ingredients to perform better without Tools.
 
Sivantic said:
That...is not it at all


Hags also need good ingredients. Snape was also able to alter the ingredients to perform better without Tools.
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Silently Watches said:
Not exactly. Since it is a conduit for her will, if she harvests ingredients with it for a potion she herself will brew, the potion will be a little bit more potent. Plus it has other features she hasn't learned yet, but that is for a chapter in the not-too-distant future.
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You completely misunderstand my point. It's this I'm talking about. This is a step missing from most wizarding potions recipes yet will always be inherent to any hag recipe because it will be assumed you are using Tools.

Yes of course both Hags and Wizards can alter their ingredients explicitly. That's not the point I'm making. A standard recipe for Wizards will not take into account the fact that Hazel's tools naturally make the ingredients and thus potions a bit more potent. A standard recipe from a hag will take this into account.

The baseline for Wizards is not using tools like Hazels knife. The baseline for Hags is using tools like such.
 
RoninSword said:
The other issue with say, throwing a horcrux penny into a landfill is that if you do die and need to be resurrected with the horcrux... Well, it's buried in a landfill. Not getting resurrected.
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Gundor Gepein said:
Voldemort's resurrection didn't appear to involve any of his horcruxes though.
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Exactly as said; horcruxes are anchors, not respawn points. You die, you become a weird shade thingy at the place you died. You can then float about and go try and get resurrected, but you don't need to do that at the horcrux either.

ROTH963 said:
I saw a good theory that the place where you put the horcrux must be significant to you in some way the same way the iteks are, which would explain why Voldemort put all his horcruxes in personal places without saying he was an idiot.
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Do the items need to be significant to you, though? Was old Tommy Riddle really that fond of his diary? Or Hufflepuff's cup - he didn't really have any connection to that other than "It's shiny and I wants it".

Also, the place you put the horcrux has to be significant or... what? Does it stop working? The locket certainly didn't stop working, and that was missing from where it was supposed to be for ages.
 
Yeah, I don't think Bellatrix's magic safe deposit box or the Malfoy storage cupboard are particularly significant places to Riddle.
 
Andrensath said:
Yeah, I don't think Bellatrix's magic safe deposit box or the Malfoy storage cupboard are particularly significant places to Riddle.
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It is less about where they put it and more that he gave it to them, living proofs of his superiority and how he overcame the pureblood elitism that probably hurt him when he was younger.
Emagstar said:
Also, the place you put the horcrux has to be significant or... what? Does it stop working? The locket certainly didn't stop working, and that was missing from where it was supposed to be for ages.
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Might be psychological effect, he can't put it in a random place, it can be moved to one.
 
ROTH963 said:
I saw a good theory that the place where you put the horcrux must be significant to you in some way the same way the iteks are, which would explain why Voldemort put all his horcruxes in personal places without saying he was an idiot.
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Voldemort is just an egomaniac. As seen by him usig important magical and cultural artifacts

The inspiration for Horcrux should be Koschei the Deathless, and that guy just made is really hard to find and also really hard to get it even if you found it. Beyond that its a random tree in forest
 
RoninSword said:
Feel free to do your own world building, but you know that Pottermore claims Merlin wqs a Slytherin.
It's a plot hole because the expanded universe also claims he died before Hogwarts was founded but its something I felt you should know.
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Isiri Pudireach said:
This is J.K.Rowling we are talking about.

Now I'm thinking about that whole 'Snape was followed by a horse at all times, it was just never brought up because it wasn't relevant.' What if that horse was actually some fey creature and only Snape(its victim) and Hazel(eyeglass) could see it.
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It is also Merlin, Time Shenanigans are not out if the question considering how often they are tied to him in Pop Culture.

I mean hell the guy even has DnD Stats, though woefully outdated now as I think the last time they were done was 2E back in the 80's/90's.

The point is Merlin engaging in Time Shenanigans and Planeswalking has been done for so long most can go "yeah I can see that happening" given just how wide a net various interpretations have cast.
 
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