Song of the Dragon (ASOIAF/WOT Quest)

Let's be serious then: "if you serve me I'll heal your incurable illness" is one hell of a pitch. Or "if you give me Highgarden I'll fix Wyllas' leg", "if you give me the Eyrie I'll make Sweetrobin healthy"...
The blackmail potential is also insane. "I can fix what I did to you, if..."
That's fair

The issue is, the number of people who it would be worth it do go that route is limited imo. Especially because we have to A: find out about them IC, and B: get in touch with the people in question, many of which will be hostile to us.

I feel like we'll get far more opportunities to Use Glamour tbh. Especially since we can combine it with enchanting to make disguises or invisibility devices that we can then pas out to others. It's a huge force multiplier.
 
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[X] Glamour- Through the manipulation of light and shadow a sorcerer can alter the appearance of himself or others. More powerful glamours can seem to lie to the world itself, making lies into truth. Rumors say the Warlocks of Qarth are masters of illusion, and the Faceless Men of Braavos marry glamour to bloodmagic.

Funny that canonically the wheel was broken because everybody with power had died with half of Westeros. It would be interesting to see the quest where MC is Tommen from Kings business fic.
 
Do we know if thats going to be a thing in this quest? Did Maz say something on Discord? Though given how absurd One Power is, it kind of obsoletes much of ASOIAF magics. And based on past experience, also kill the quest.
The power is immensly powerful, but it has weaknesses. It is rather limited in long term or long range effects for example, and is lacking in mysticism and occult. And it takes long time to reach competence with it. It took Rand two-three month of training with Asmodean to get any real control, and he was still far from his full power. Aenar won't even get that training. He will be by himself
 
[X] Healing- Breaking or destroying a thing with magic is much easier than fixing or creating. Still, driven by your father's condition, you sought after a way to cure him. The healing knowledge of the maesters married with many other healing traditions, such as the Godswives of the Great Shepherd of Lhazar, serve as a strong base for healing others.
 


People can't seem to be willing or able to grasp the situation here. We're beyond PR. We're so far beyond PR it's not even funny. We are:

1. Lackluster in lugging around hunks of metal to kill people with. Also known as 'Martial Skill', this is a valued skill in Westeros that we don't really have.
2. A Sorcerer. We're a Wizard, a Maegi, or whatever else one wants to call us. Westerosi look down on this too, more than the other thing if possible.
3. A Foreigner. Not as big an issue as the others, but still very much an issue. More than people might be thinking due to reasons I'll explain shortly.
4. The most important... we're a fucking BLACKFYRE.

Playing to one's strengths is the most basic law of fighting anything, and our strengths do not lie in making nice with the locals. In any way, shape, or form. When Westeros comes to heel, it'll do so through fire and blood, because there's nothing we can do to make the locals want us as king. Choosing healing would mean that we go and fix people... and then they get ostracized or stoned to death for being 'tainted'. Which would be a brilliant way to get rid of enemies, just say we healed them, but I doubt that's what people are aiming for.

The main advantage for healing is the PR, and more than being unable to get PR, Aenar wouldn't want to get good PR with them. Did y'all forget about Supremacist so soon? Traits mean things. Aenar thinks non-Qaathi are inferior people. Why the fuck would he try to get their approval or spare their lives or whatever it is that healing is meant to achieve?

On the other hand, Glamor. Diplomacy and Intrigue are among our specialties, right after Sorcery. Glamor goes a long way in helping with all that. Cause diplomatic incidents by sending our man looking like a foreign diplomat. Sneak into and out of places, use illusions in battle to make it look like we have a dozen times the numbers we do, or half of them. Illusions are going to be useful in any number of ways, not the least of which is that once we get good enough we can tell if someone is a Faceless Man. If Glamour did literally nothing else but let us tell Faceless Men apart, that alone would make it priceless for someone like us, who is picking a fight with half the world.

And besides that, we did healing in For the Living already. As we did Swording in Broken Age. It's the Illusions time now!
 
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[X] Glamour- Through the manipulation of light and shadow a sorcerer can alter the appearance of himself or others. More powerful glamours can seem to lie to the world itself, making lies into truth. Rumors say the Warlocks of Qarth are masters of illusion, and the Faceless Men of Braavos marry glamour to bloodmagic.
 
Yeah, it is a hell of a pitch and it sickens me. Think of other ways to gain allies.
...Funny that it sickens you, yet potentially killing thousands of innocents due to anger doesn't. Granted, you may not mean it in that light,

You've got people going with healing because a true king is one with healing hands or something along those lines. /shrug
Er...I think they were being a tad bit fanciful. Though Westeros is in need of some healing, after all this bullsht they go through, I don't mean it literally.

We're not going to be pillaging or bringing ruin to the ruin. That is not what we want and we do want to make allies. That much is not in question. What I hate is this whole healing can be used to gain allies bit. Yes, it can be used for that but exactly for that reason I hate it. Fuck that. We have an intrigue/diplomacy focused character. Find better ways to gain allies than that cheat code. I want to be a good king but that term can mean a lot of fucking different things. Someone that breaks the feudalism of Westeros by diplomacy and/or killings while improving the lives of the common folk can be a good king.
I mean I'm not saying that it would be our only way to gain allies and do diplomatic things, but jsut that it's another good effect that comes from healing. We have a diplomacy intrigue character, so I doubt that we'll need to offer services of healing too many times. I'm suggesting that we do it by our own merit first, but don't discount the usefulness it has. I agree that breaking the way of life that Westeros has to usher in a better age is good, and healing wouldn't diminish it at all. I see being a bad king as killing for no reason, taking unecessary risks, and generally doing pointless actions taht wouldn't benefit the populace, or Aenyr himself.

Not the strictest definition of a house call but it essentially is that.
Then again, parlor tricks are suggested to help carry out assasinations? Both can be simplified to an extent, but doing anything diplomatic is essentially a house call by those standards. And a housecall would have the person reaching out to Aenyr, where instead Aenyr is (sorta) blackmailing them himself.

mean, eventually we do want to completely get rid of feudalism because it is a blight. We will break the power structure because it will allow for the better of Westeros and only strengthens Targaryen rule. We don't want to actively make everyone our enemy but neither do we want to be seen as a goody goody healing king.
Yes, I whole-heartedly agree with most of your last statement. But for the simple fact of us being able to heal doesn't mean we're all goody-goody maseter's pet, far from it. It simple expands our ranges and horizons, and is just an all-around useful skill to have.

imagine how useful it would be to use such items to have our men sneak into a rival lord's place and kidnapping some people to serve as hostages. It would be so useful in that.
There are prices for such power, as exemplified by Melisandre, and I doubt it's not something we couldn't learn by exploring the branch magic of illusions we already have.

I feel like we'll get far more opportunities to Use Glamour tbh. Especially since we can combine it with enchanting to make disguises or invisibility devices that we can then pas out to others. It's a huge force multiplier.
There will be good opporitunities to use Glamour, hes, btu there will be crucial moments where Healing can come in an essential manner. And...invisibility devices? That's a stretch. But literally, all our applications of magic are strecthes, strecthes that cna be made into reality. Who's saying Healing can't manipulate life? Or make a dragon more fertile? Or make a person more fertile? Who's saying we can't heal mortal wounds, turn blood and flesh into fire and bone, or fix a person's mortal body with combinations of Healing, Bloodmagic, Pyromancy, and whateve the heck The Wheel of Time can do?

{By the way is it just me, or is this discussion enojyable?}
 
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[X] Glamour- Through the manipulation of light and shadow a sorcerer can alter the appearance of himself or others. More powerful glamours can seem to lie to the world itself, making lies into truth. Rumors say the Warlocks of Qarth are masters of illusion, and the Faceless Men of Braavos marry glamour to bloodmagic.


I can see a lot of uses for this. Masquerade as an enemy commander during a battle to sow chaos. Pin crimes on enemies we want removed etc.

I am sure this skill would come in handy to gain control over our mother's house and Qaarth eventually.
 
There are prices for such power, as exemplified by Melisandre, and I doubt it's not something we couldn't learn by exploring the branch magic of illusions we already have.


There will be good opporitunities to use Glamour, hes, btu there will be crucial moments where Healing can come in an essential manner. And...invisibility devices? That's a stretch. But literally, all our applications of magic are strecthes, strecthes that cna be made into reality. Who's saying Healing can't manipulate life? Or make a dragon more fertile? Or make a person more fertile? Who's saying we can't heal mortal wounds, turn blood and flesh into fire and bone, or fix a person's mortal body with combinations of Healing, Bloodmagic, Pyromancy, and whateve the heck The Wheel of Time can do?

{By the way is it just me, or is this discussion enojyable?}
Please do not double post, it is against forum rules.
 
1. Lackluster in lugging around hunks of metal to kill people with. Also known as 'Martial Skill', this is a valued skill in Westeros that we don't really have.
2. A Sorcerer. We're a Wizard, a Maegi, or whatever else one wants to call us. Westerosi look down on this too, more than the other thing if possible.
3. A Foreigner. Not as big an issue as the others, but still very much an issue. More than people might be thinking due to reasons I'll explain shortly.
4. The most important... we're a fucking BLACKFYRE.
Yeah. But the point isn't in the hearts of all the commons, but in the minds and hearts of their lords, who hold the power for us to take back Westeros. And I'm pretty sure the Blackfyre label just disappears when the people see we're doing good, not to mention the fact we're literally marrying the Khaleesi, whch would be joining the two anceint houses back int othe same blodline, therefore ending any conflict and strife. Wizard and such, let the men have their mutterings. They'll soon change their tune when winter's upon them and the only food (and hope, because the seven kingdoms do be chaotic) they can get is directly from the so-hated Blackfyre, who, oh look, married the legitimate heir to the throne.

The main advantage for healing is the PR, and more than being unable to get PR, Aenar wouldn't want to get good PR with them. Did y'all forget about Supremacist so soon? Traits mean things. Aenar thinks non-Qaathi are inferior people. Why the fuck would he try to get their approval or spare their lives or whatever it is that healing is meant to achieve?
It's not healing's only advantage, for combined with other magics, it can be used for a myraid of applications if eyes will stretch wide enough to see the possibilities. And Aenyr, once again, has jsut become a man. His whole lfie he was raised to believe he was better than others (like any Pureborn), and his lesson with the maester only showed to improve that point. Traits cna change in the journey, or did you forget? Why the hell wouldn't he want more allies, once he grows more knowledgeable and sees mroe of the world.

On the other hand, Glamor. Diplomacy and Intrigue are among our specialties, right after Sorcery. Glamor goes a long way in helping with all that. Cause diplomatic incidents by sending our man looking like a foreign diplomat. Sneak into and out of places, use illusions in battle to make it look like we have a dozen times the numbers we do, or half of them. Illusions are going to be useful in any number of ways, not the least of which is that once we get good enough we can tell if someone is a Faceless Man. If Glamour did literally nothing else but let us tell Faceless Men apart, that alone would make it priceless for someone like us, who is picking a fight with half the world.
I doubt that we'd need to tell Faceless men apart, since they're not directly agaisnt our goal. And besides "Good strong eyes can see through glamours" was once said by our favorite Red Priest at the wall. Not only does Aenyr have that, but he's naturally incilned to magic, and has 23 sorcery for goodness sake. I'm not discounting the usefulness of glamor, but along with it being something similar to what we have already (and could probably be learned by just epxanding our skill in it) it's not the sure-fire way for victory. Nothing ever truly is.

And besides that, we did healing in For the Living already. As we did Swording in Broken Age. It's the Illusions time now!
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What?
 
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  • [X] Glamour- Through the manipulation of light and shadow a sorcerer can alter the appearance of himself or others. More powerful glamours can seem to lie to the world itself, making lies into truth. Rumors say the Warlocks of Qarth are masters of illusion, and the Faceless Men of Braavos marry glamour to bloodmagic.
    [X] Healing- Breaking or destroying a thing with magic is much easier than fixing or creating. Still, driven by your father's condition, you sought after a way to cure him. The healing knowledge of the maesters married with many other healing traditions, such as the Godswives of the Great Shepherd of Lhazar, serve as a strong base for healing others.
    [X] Alchemy- The Guild of Alchemists in Westeros do not have a monopoly on the secret spells and substances of alchemy. You have learned them well. The green fires of wildfire harbor a hunger different from your own dragonfire. Many other alchemical substances and transmutations fascinate the imagination.
    [X] Healing
 
...Funny that it sickens you, yet potentially killing thousands of innocents due to anger doesn't. Granted, you may not mean it in that light,

It's a quest. I want a villain quest.

Er...I think they were being a tad bit fanciful. Though Westeros is in need of some healing, after all this bullsht they go through, I don't mean it literally.

Westeros can have healing from other magic users that Aenar will no doubt attempt to foster.

I mean I'm not saying that it would be our only way to gain allies and do diplomatic things, but jsut that it's another good effect that comes from healing. We have a diplomacy intrigue character, so I doubt that we'll need to offer services of healing too many times. I'm suggesting that we do it by our own merit first, but don't discount the usefulness it has. I agree that breaking the way of life that Westeros has to usher in a better age is good, and healing wouldn't diminish it at all. I see being a bad king as killing for no reason, taking unecessary risks, and generally doing pointless actions taht wouldn't benefit the populace, or Aenyr himself.

And I'm not denying that it wouldn't be a good way to help foster alliances but I find it to be akin to a cheat code that people constantly push and thus hate it. The amount of times we will find healing useful is just not going to be all that significant. I'll rather pick something that will be made more more use out of.

But for the simple fact of us being able to heal doesn't mean we're all goody-goody maseter's pet, far from it.

Lets not kid ourselves. It encourages a certain kind of play style.

There are prices for such power, as exemplified by Melisandre, and I doubt it's not something we couldn't learn by exploring the branch magic of illusions we already have.

Glamor requires years of study. That's the cost of such power. Good thing that Aenar is the Dragon is learns things quick as fuck and is a magical prodigy. What branch of illusions do we already have? From what I can see we do not have any illusions currently.
 
[X] Healing- Breaking or destroying a thing with magic is much easier than fixing or creating. Still, driven by your father's condition, you sought after a way to cure him. The healing knowledge of the maesters married with many other healing traditions, such as the Godswives of the Great Shepherd of Lhazar, serve as a strong base for healing others.
 
Yeah. But the point isn't in the hearts of all the commons, but in the minds and hearts of their lords, who hold the power for us to take back Westeros. And I'm pretty sure the Blackfyre label just disappears when the people see we're doing good, not to mention the fact we're literally marrying the Khaleesi, whch would be joining the two anceint houses back int othe same blodline, therefore ending any conflict and strife. Wizard and such, let the men have their mutterings. They'll soon change their tune when winter's upon them and the only food (and hope, because the seven kingdoms do be chaotic) they can get is directly from the so-hated Blackfyre, who, oh look, married the legitimate heir to the throne.
Marrying Dany is not some magic cure-all to all of our PR problems. I dont seem to recall many of the noble families rushing to her banner when shes mucking around in Essos.
 
It's a quest. I want a villain quest.
So....you are trying to actively villianize him, and turn him unlikeable. That'd be an interesting proespect, but I prefer a more moral grey compass that we can use to suit our needs sufficiently, without becoming a literal monster that goes out of their way to kill.

Westeros can have healing from other magic users that Aenar will no doubt attempt to foster.
It will, but what of Aenyr's present need? No doubt Aenyr will go through many struggles, and I'd rather not put his life in someone else's skills for the nonce, not to mention the possibel applications.

And I'm not denying that it wouldn't be a good way to help foster alliances but I find it to be akin to a cheat code that people constantly push and thus hate it. The amount of times we will find healing useful is just not going to be all that significant. I'll rather pick something that will be made more more use out of.
Hold on, you say it's akin to a cheat code, but then again we won't find it useful enough to be significant? Those two points sort of conflict wtih eachother how I see it. And I get what you mean about making more use of an ability, because it's best to utilize every resource we have, but that shouldn't downplay the goodness of a well-timed ability in a cruicial status. The inevitability of Aeynr being injured makes sure of that, because unlike some characters, he's actively inciting rebellion with a less than popular bloodline, escaping from a family he's less than popular with, and going through a world that's less than forgiving.

Lets not kid ourselves. It encourages a certain kind of play style.
Well I can't deny that it encourages a certain style, yet glamour isn't exactly an all-around player option either. Both encourage paths, but both can be taken in different lights, if we open our eyes to see them.

Glamor requires years of study. That's the cost of such power. Good thing that Aenar is the Dragon is learns things quick as fuck and is a magical prodigy. What branch of illusions do we already have? From what I can see we do not have any illusions currently.
Allow me a moment to check and see, because I remember someone mentioning that. But you raise a good point with that: Aenar's capability to learn. I forgot that kid had...25 learning? We could probably learn to cook a seven-course meal by watching a guy cut onions, and iwth so much magic in this world catering to decieving others, I'm confident he'd learn it quicker than Mazrick could say "Vote's closed."

Marrying Dany is not some magic cure-all to all of our PR problems. I dont seem to recall many of the noble families rushing to her banner when shes mucking around in Essos.
Granted, I'm not saying she'll solve all our problems (and hey, don't blame all the houses. She's half a world away, and the lords have the smallfolk to think of) but she'd take care a good number of them. The goal isn't to become the best in PR, but to instead not forcefully viliniaze ourselves into some horrible person (also, not trying to imply Khaleesi would give alotta help with that). Let our actions speak for when they need to, but an age-old saying. "The pen is mightier than the sword" still stands true looking at the larger picture.
 
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Marrying Dany is not some magic cure-all to all of our PR problems. I dont seem to recall many of the noble families rushing to her banner when shes mucking around in Essos.

Granted, the Tyrells might budge if they think they can gain prestige. Martells might budge with revenge. The rest would be too committed to the status quo to think putting a Targaryen on the Throne's a good idea.
 
Marrying Dany is not some magic cure-all to all of our PR problems. I dont seem to recall many of the noble families rushing to her banner when shes mucking around in Essos.
Granted, the Tyrells might budge if they think they can gain prestige. Martells might budge with revenge. The rest would be too committed to the status quo to think putting a Targaryen on the Throne's a good idea.
Bah, the North have no love for the Lannisters or their ilk, and Bolton's cold and cunning man. Promise the North what it's due, find a Stark heir to Winterfell, and we're guaranteed to have them (well, barring a certain widowed Ryswell). As for the stormlands, if we can prove Joffrey or Tommen or whatever cub is on the throne as of now is simply an incestous imposter, well, they don't call Westeros 'chaotic' for nothing.
 
[X] Glamour- Through the manipulation of light and shadow a sorcerer can alter the appearance of himself or others. More powerful glamours can seem to lie to the world itself, making lies into truth. Rumors say the Warlocks of Qarth are masters of illusion, and the Faceless Men of Braavos marry glamour to bloodmagic.
 
So....you are trying to actively villianize him, and turn him unlikeable. That'd be an interesting proespect, but I prefer a more moral grey compass that we can use to suit our needs sufficiently, without becoming a literal monster that goes out of their way to kill.

The goal is not an unlikeable character. But certainly far from being a do-gooder hero. So say if the Starks refuse to bend the knee for whatever reason the solution is to fucking murder all them fucks.

It will, but what of Aenyr's present need? No doubt Aenyr will go through many struggles, and I'd rather not put his life in someone else's skills for the nonce, not to mention the possibel applications.

Put his life in someone else's skills? What are you expecting Aenar to be doing that would lead him to being injured? If Aenar gets in a fight then we are doing something really really wrong.

Hold on, you say it's akin to a cheat code, but then again we won't find it useful enough to be significant? Those two points sort of conflict wtih eachother how I see it. And I get what you mean about making more use of an ability, because it's best to utilize every resource we have, but that shouldn't downplay the goodness of a well-timed ability in a cruicial status. The inevitability of Aeynr being injured makes sure of that, because unlike some characters, he's actively inciting rebellion with a less than popular bloodline, escaping from a family he's less than popular with, and going through a world that's less than forgiving.

It's a cheat code with potentially a few characters but beyond that there aren't many cases where it would be a cheat code or at least not worth bothering with. Being injured? The goal should be to surround Aenar with loyal men and not be in places where Aenar has to fight. Avoid injuries that way as much as possible. Escaping from a family? Why the hell would we be escaping from our family? We're going to kill and diplomacy our way into good standing with our family. The current heir? He is marked for death I say. Negotiate with other cousins to raise our standing.

Well I can't deny that it encourages a certain style, yet glamour isn't exactly an all-around player option either. Both encourage paths, but both can be taken in different lights, if we open our eyes to see them.

Glamour > healing for the playstyle. All the damn time.

Allow me a moment to check and see, because I remember someone mentioning that.

The update mentions the magics that we are capable of right now.

You are greatly skilled in the magics of Old Valyria. Those long fallow spells bloom with your care. Pyromancy, bloodmagic, and enchanting are the three pillars of your sorcery.

Granted, the Tyrells might budge if they think they can gain prestige. Martells might budge with revenge. The rest would be too committed to the status quo to think putting a Targaryen on the Throne's a good idea.

Thing with Martells is that we must consider the Faegon angle. I think it is almost certainly that they would support Faegon if Varys can sell them the story that he is Aegon. Now it is possible that they would not but it is something to keep in mind.
 
[X] Glamour- Through the manipulation of light and shadow a sorcerer can alter the appearance of himself or others. More powerful glamours can seem to lie to the world itself, making lies into truth. Rumors say the Warlocks of Qarth are masters of illusion, and the Faceless Men of Braavos marry glamour to bloodmagic.

Like the idea of this more.
 
[X] Healing- Breaking or destroying a thing with magic is much easier than fixing or creating. Still, driven by your father's condition, you sought after a way to cure him. The healing knowledge of the maesters married with many other healing traditions, such as the Godswives of the Great Shepherd of Lhazar, serve as a strong base for healing others.
 
The goal is not an unlikeable character. But certainly far from being a do-gooder hero. So say if the Starks refuse to bend the knee for whatever reason the solution is to fucking murder all them fucks.
*shrugs* I doubt if producing a heir, there'd be a reason to fight us at all. Pretty much every Stark has bent the knee, because they see no sense in dying. Robb, admittedly, did lead a host, but I wouldn't call him wholy wrong for it. And doing that wouldn't exactely be villianous, though instead of murdering all of them just do what the others did, and disposese them of their lands. It's an option, though killing them is a more semi-permenant solution. Healing crap doesn't get in the way of that. A battle medic in a war would gladly kill an enemy if it meant saving allied soldiers (just a comparison, not saying he should become an outiright battle medic).

Put his life in someone else's skills? What are you expecting Aenar to be doing that would lead him to being injured? If Aenar gets in a fight then we are doing something really really wrong.
It's not what I expect him to be doing, but what I expect his enemies to be doing. No doubt, once they've caught wind about what Aenar's upto, they'll try and give him a serving of fire and blood. The optimal state is for them to be completely unaware, of course. But in this world, only Winter is certain. Literally.

It's a cheat code with potentially a few characters but beyond that there aren't many cases where it would be a cheat code or at least not worth bothering with. Being injured? The goal should be to surround Aenar with loyal men and not be in places where Aenar has to fight. Avoid injuries that way as much as possible. Escaping from a family? Why the hell would we be escaping from our family? We're going to kill and diplomacy our way into good standing with our family. The current heir? He is marked for death I say. Negotiate with other cousins to raise our standing.
Okay, so you're saying it's a smaller area in diplomacy, but packs a stronger punch. That doesn't sound too bad, considering some of the real cheat codes I've seen in quests, and besides, that's just exploitation of a tool we're free to use at our disposal. Mazrick won't jsut hand it to us, because either there'll be soem catch, or it'll be a tad bit omre complicated than we think. And yes, the goal is definitly to surround him with trustoworthy individuals, but you can never, ever be too careful, especially with how things are currently going. The ideal is for him to never be touched, to break the gates of Westeros, and to ride out to victory. But I doubt without struggle, pain, and loss, any of these goals will come truue, and it seems to me as if the ideal situation is less than acheivable. "The kinslayer is accursed." then what of the one who slays kin twice? For his dad, it was an act of mercy. I doubt that using a family member's death for political and diplomatic gain would hardly be considered 'mercy', and thoug hthey may not be deserving of it, why dirty yourself with that? We aren't sure about how our other cousins feel, so I do think it'd be prudent to try and find a way to contact them, but then again, assasination would only bring about rounds of suspicion, and the others probably know that he was less than fond of the dragon.

Glamour > healing for the playstyle. All the damn time.
All the time? Not for every playstyle, othwerwise there'd be no point in Mazrick putting it their. He obviosuly has plans for it, on how it wil be used, and I don't doubt that it'll make every fiber of it worth it. Glamour seems to have the edge with an array of uses, but the in-the-box thinking is what would limit Healing's capabilities. The kid is a fast learner, as they say, and magic catered to deciet is often more common place than medical magic, and considering how most of the people who use it stick to only what they know, I doubt they've even unlcoked half of it's true potential.

The update mentions the magics that we are capable of right now.
Ah, I had been thinking of enchanting. My bad.
 
I doubt if producing a heir, there'd be a reason to fight us at all. Pretty much every Stark has bent the knee, because they see no sense in dying. Robb, admittedly, did lead a host, but I wouldn't call him wholy wrong for it. And doing that wouldn't exactely be villianous, though instead of murdering all of them just do what the others did, and disposese them of their lands. It's an option, though killing them is a more semi-permenant solution.

What? Producing a heir, there'd be a reason to fight us at all? Not sure what you are trying to get at with that. Anyways, I started my statement with an if they refuse to bend the knee. But you kinda prove my point in a way. Rather than a permanent option of killing them all you suggest the option of removing the lands from Starks. Half-measures. Be more like Tywin who knows when to kill and when to spare.

It's not what I expect him to be doing, but what I expect his enemies to be doing. No doubt, once they've caught wind about what Aenar's upto, they'll try and give him a serving of fire and blood. The optimal state is for them to be completely unaware, of course. But in this world, only Winter is certain. Literally.

Yes, they will try. The goal is to have quality men around us and use magic/the One Power with our defense in the rare event that enemies get close enough to possibly threaten us.

"The kinslayer is accursed." then what of the one who slays kin twice? For his dad, it was an act of mercy. I doubt that using a family member's death for political and diplomatic gain would hardly be considered 'mercy', and thoug hthey may not be deserving of it, why dirty yourself with that? We aren't sure about how our other cousins feel, so I do think it'd be prudent to try and find a way to contact them, but then again, assasination would only bring about rounds of suspicion, and the others probably know that he was less than fond of the dragon.

Good thing we have defenses against any outside forces attempting to curse us for kinslaying. Not bad with killing shitty kin to further your goals in this world. We need the heir dead because he can potentially reduce the help that our family would offer us. That's outright terrible. Kill the fuck and remove a problem. That is the kind of character I want Aenar to be. Something like "why dirty yourself with that" absolutely should not be going through his head.

That's why we assassinate our cousin in a way that does not lead to suspicion falling on us. Say burning down an entire building that our cousin is in while ensuring that no one is able to exit it. Or perhaps our cousin is known to be going to travel on a ship. Burn that entire ship real quick. Something that glamor would help us with a lot.
 
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