Si Deus Nobiscum: A Polish-Lithuanian Scion Quest

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Hoppylo said:
Very nice update QM. Also enjoyed the accompanying music. I can imagine our MC contemplating his to be or not to be life choices.

@Rolman also do we create plans or not? There are lots of options but I also feel like voting for each option individually could be done.
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Your call! I went a little hard on the amount of choices, yeah, so a plan would certainly be justified.
 
[X] Ultramontane dork
-[X] Write in: Kazimierz, Casimirus, after the Saint.
-[X] Noticed the dust caught in the sunlight in a high window above, swirling beautifully close to the wood-beamed ceiling.
-[X] "Quick-witted lad!"
-[X] Tatjana, the Ruskaja nanny
-[x] Master Kacper Farensbach, your general tutor.
-[X] You missed Father Janusz.
-[x] The French Court, with classes at the Collège Royal.
 
[X] Plan: The Young Hussar
-[X] Stanisław, Stanislaus.
-[X] Felt the rage flow through you. A desire to not let it happen again. You asked for saber lessons the next day.
-[X] Tatjana, the Ruskaja nanny.
-[X] Sir Andrzej Marszowski, your physical trainer.
-[X] "Quick-witted lad!"
-[X] You missed Father Janusz.
-[X] The French Court, with classes at the Collège Royal.

[X] Firecrab

The plan speaks for itself: we can fight, we can drink, we can dance, and we can make friends. Just don't get on our bad side.

And after we're done being young, well, it's time to don those beautiful wings and slaughter the enemies of God, Kingdom and House!
 
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[X] Jan, Ioannes.
[X] Resolved to make up some nasty rumors and tell your friends to spread them.
[X] Lady Zofia Koła, maid of honor.
[X] Sir Andrzej Marszowski, your physical trainer.
[X] "Quick-witted lad!"
[X] You missed Father Janusz.
[X] The French Court, with classes at the Collège Royal.

Prots and heretics OUT!
 
[X] Firecrab
-[X] Stanisław, Stanislaus.
-[X] Felt the rage flow through you. A desire to not let it happen again. You asked for saber lessons the next day.
-[X] Tatjana, the Ruskaja nanny.
-[X] Sir Andrzej Marszowski, your physical trainer.
-[X] "Quick-witted lad!"
-[X] You missed Father Janusz.
-[X] The Royal Court as a page, while attending higher classes at the Collegium Maius in Krakow.

[X] Plan: The Young Hussar

Below is my thought process when picking stuff.

I do enjoy character who carry strong feelings for whatever they choose to center on. And the rage option fits that quite well I think. Quick to anger and quick to laugh with a wit to accompany.

I was also interested in its pairing with our commoner nanny who would ground the mc with a conscience, and imagination and wit also sound nice. Our personal trainer also fits well with our firecrab MC, better invest all that passion somewhere like physical activity, pickin up charismatic mannerisms also doesn't hurt I think. And I feel our MC would tire of eternal damnation and wish for his old tutor back. Also on to the Royal Court to make friends.

Edit- On mobile and just saw that a similar plan was posted earlier. @Baltika9 are you married to the French Court option?
 
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[X] Plan Worthy Disciple

-[X] Paulius(Lithuanian), Pawel(Polish) after Saint Paul, Disciple of Christ himself.

-[X] Resolved to make up some nasty rumors and tell your friends to spread them.

-[X] Lady Zofia Koła, maid of honor.

-[X] Sir Andrzej Marszowski, your physical trainer.

-[X] "Quick-witted lad!"

-[X] You missed Father Janusz.

-[X] The French Court, with classes at the Collège Royal.
 
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Theaxofwar said:
[X] Plan SOS
- [X] Jerzy, Georgius
- [X] Noticed the dust caught in the sunlight in a high window above, swirling beautifully close to the wood-beamed ceiling.
- [X] Tatjana, the Ruskaja nanny
- [X] Master Kacper Farensbach, your general tutor
- [X] "Hardworking lad!"
- [X] You missed Father Janusz.
- [X] The French Court, with classes at the Collège Royal

This is my patented seven step plan to return to God's Grace.
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Actual plan up. This I think will let us get involved in a lot of reformation stuff. Maybe that's just because I've been reading a lot of political treatises from the period, but I'd like to contribute intellectually to such philosophical developments. And also write bad poetry in France.
 
[X] Stanisław, Stanislaus.
[X] Resolved to make up some nasty rumors and tell your friends to spread them.
[X] Lady Zofia Koła, maid of honor.
[X] Master Kacper Farensbach, your general tutor.
[X] "Quick-witted lad!"
[X] Whatever.
[X] The Saxon court, then onwards to the University of Wittenberg.
 
[X] Plan: Rumors, Hard work, and the French Court
-[X] Stanisław, Stanislaus
-[X] Resolved to make up some nasty rumors and tell your friends to spread them.
-[X] Tatjana, the Ruskaja nanny.
-[X] Master Kacper Farensbach, your general tutor.
-[X] "Hardworking lad!"
-[X] You missed Father Janusz.
-[X] The French Court, with classes at the Collège Royal.
 
[X] Plan: The Young Hussar
-[X] Stanisław, Stanislaus.
-[X] Felt the rage flow through you. A desire to not let it happen again. You asked for saber lessons the next day.
-[X] Tatjana, the Ruskaja nanny.
-[X] Sir Andrzej Marszowski, your physical trainer.
-[X] "Quick-witted lad!"
-[X] You missed Father Janusz.
-[X] The French Court, with classes at the Collège Royal.
 
Oh, a very sad edit, one that will make you sad, too, so it's worth mentioning: there are no cool Deluge sabers yet. Not only that, but its introduction is dependent on post-PoD events playing out historically. I had written "saber" for one of the choices, learned this horrid fact, later only making reference to Marszowski fighting with a longsword or rapier, but have now edited the choice itself. So sad. Shouldn't effect votes.
if you want sabers you need to elect bathory, okay?
 
Sertorius on Chargen III
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    • A few things I noticed (sorry for not seeing it sooner):

    Rolman said:
    Tatjana, the Ruskaja nanny.
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    While Ruskaja is the correct form of contemporary Ruthenian, it's an adjective with a feminine gender. It's fine when in context ("Ruthenian nanny").
    Rolman said:
    You'd even speak Ruskaja like a native, though the tutors will certainly not enjoy the rustic accent.
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    Yet when talking about the tongue it should be written as Ruski language. Ruski native, Ruski speaker, Ruski sword... the masculine gender, it's more correct when used with English words. In general, using Ruthenian is advised because Polish and Ruski maintain the classic masculine, feminine and neuter grammatical genders, so using Ruskaja or Ruski may sound... strange when combined with some words. Not to be confused with the Russian language, also named Ruski. Both Ruthenian and Russian are called that way in their respective languages, because they are from the same source, yet started to diverge since the Middle Ages until the start of the Quest, when Ruthenian was influenced greatly by Latin and Polish, while Russian by Church Slavonic, the liturgical tongue of the Orthodox Church. By the way, Church Slavonic was the official language of Muscovy and its elites up until the XVII century. Also, Ruski is not an insult during this time. Historiography named Ruthenian Old Belarusian during the XIX century precisely to differentiate it from Russian, because due to both being named Ruski earlier, the Russians claimed that they are one and the same. That the Western variants are simply Russian dialects in order to promote their vision of One Russia, with no Belarusians and Ukrainians as seperate nations.
    Rolman said:
    One isn't exactly inspired to virtuous acts by the idea of predestination. Not to mention, these sermons! Death, death, death, sin, sin, sin, Hell, Hell, Hell. God's world is beautiful out there! And we are all sinners, yes, but many are truly trying their hardest. It's unclear at this point whether you're sympathetic to Catholicism, repelled by Calvinism, or are just simply too choleric-sanguine to sit through all this. An implicit optimism to your thinking, too.
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    Fun fact: Calvinism and its egalitarian rules found many adherents among the nobility of the Commonwealth, which loved the idea of equality among peers. However, predestination was not among them. The freedom-loving Polish nobles simply wouldn't accept the fact, that they are damned or saved from birth. They preferred to retain the belief, that it's their good deeds that grant them Salvation along with having the possibility of choice. Of course, this is the general rule, individuals could believe in what they please.
    Rolman said:
    Oh, a very sad edit, one that will make you sad, too, so it's worth mentioning: there are no cool Deluge sabers yet. Not only that, but its introduction is dependent on post-PoD events playing out historically. I had written "saber" for one of the choices, learned this horrid fact, later only making reference to Marszowski fighting with a longsword or rapier, but have now edited the choice itself. So sad. Shouldn't effect votes.
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    Sabres were present in the Commonwealth, it's just that they became widespread with the ascension of Stephen Báthory to the throne and his Hungarian style, which quickly became very popular.

    [X] Plan: The Young Hussar
    -[X] Stanisław, Stanislaus.
    -[X] Felt the rage flow through you. A desire to not let it happen again. You asked for saber lessons the next day.
    -[X] Tatjana, the Ruskaja nanny.
    -[X] Sir Andrzej Marszowski, your physical trainer.
    -[X] "Quick-witted lad!"
    -[X] You missed Father Janusz.
    -[X] The French Court, with classes at the Collège Royal.

    By they way, that page situation? Should our young Princeling tell that to anyone, the little twerp not only would be done for at court, but his parents might experience the wrath of the Radziwiłłs as well. I'm surprised such an option was not present. Radziwiłłs were a proud and vengeful bunch so it's very unwise to make enemies among them. In trying times to whole family stuck together regardless of religious differences and would always support each other (unless of course high treason was involved).
     
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    • Sertorius said:
    Fun fact: Calvinism and its egalitarian rules found many adherents among the nobility of the Commonwealth, which loved the idea of equality among peers. However, predestination was not among them. The freedom-loving Polish nobles simply wouldn't accept the fact, that they are damned or saved from birth. They preferred to retain the belief, that it's their good deeds that grant them Salvation along with having the possibility of choice. Of course, this is the general rule, individuals could believe in what they please.
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    Oh wow. Now that is interesting. Especially when you realize that Mikołaj Czarny seems to have been in direct contact with Calvin himself. How... Unfirebrandish... Any more insights on the strange beast that is PLC Calvinism, please do tell! I will not lie and confess to not having done my reading on the Brothers or the Calvinist-Lutheran splitting going on around this time yet.

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    By they way, that page situation? Should our young Princeling tell that to anyone, the little twerp not only would be done for at court, but his parents might experience the wrath of the Radziwiłłs as well. I'm surprised such an option was not present. Radziwiłłs were a proud and vengeful bunch so it's very unwise to make enemies among them. In trying times to whole family stuck together regardless of religious differences and would always support each other (unless of course high treason was involved).
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    Funny you mention this: I had originally written a snitching option, but felt that it didn't quite nest well with any of the four humors, which is still a thing I'm ever-so-vaguely going for. Although, now that I think about it, appealing to authority -- and for the help of your family, no less -- does seem pretty phlegmatic.... Oh well. Your version of events is definitely a bit more believable!

    And thanks for the help with gendering Ruthenian/proto-Belarussian/whatever man it's 5 in the morning! Anglo moment.
     
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    [X] Jerzy, Georgius.
    [X] Tatjana, the Ruskaja nanny.
    [X] Resolved to make up some nasty rumors and tell your friends to spread them.
    [X] Sir Konrad Szygrod, Dubinki's castellan.
    [X] You missed Father Janusz.
    [X] The Royal Court as a page, while attending higher classes at the Collegium Maius in Krakow.

    Reasoning
    - the nanny, because being down to earth + language
    - nasty rumours, to play the game of nobles
    - castellan, for balance of self
    - missing father janusz, for the optimistic trait
    - the royal court - their skills seem more useful
     
    [X] Plan: The Young Hussar

    Sertorius said:
    Yet when talking about the tongue it should be written as Ruski language. Ruski native, Ruski speaker, Ruski sword... the masculine gender, it's more correct when used with English words. In general, using Ruthenian is advised because Polish and Ruski maintain the classic masculine, feminine and neuter grammatical genders, so using Ruskaja or Ruski may sound... strange when combined with some words. Not to be confused with the Russian language, also named Ruski. Both Ruthenian and Russian are called that way in their respective languages, because they are from the same source, yet started to diverge since the Middle Ages until the start of the Quest, when Ruthenian was influenced greatly by Latin and Polish, while Russian by Church Slavonic, the liturgical tongue of the Orthodox Church. By the way, Church Slavonic was the official language of Muscovy and its elites up until the XVII century. Also, Ruski is not an insult during this time. Historiography named Ruthenian Old Belarusian during the XIX century precisely to differentiate it from Russian, because due to both being named Ruski earlier, the Russians claimed that they are one and the same. That the Western variants are simply Russian dialects in order to promote their vision of One Russia, with no Belarusians and Ukrainians as seperate nations.
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    From the Polish perspective it's "Język ruski", but from the Ruthenian perspective "Rus'ka mova / Mova ruskaja" is fine, considering that the implication is that he is learning language from her.

    One thing to note though - a nanny would probably speak the "prosta mova" (common language, the precursor of modern Ukrainian and Belarusian languages, seen in Jakub Gawatowicz's intermediae for Tragaedię, albo Wizerunk śmierci przeświątego Jana Chrzciciela, przesłańca Bożego 1619, for example), rather than the chancery Ruthenian used by the nobility and the church (which is also close to Church Slavonic, but with more Ruthenian-isms, and influenced the development of modern Russian as well after Cossack Ukraine became the Muscovite vassal and many books, like the Synopsys of 1674 (from a certain perspective the first history schoolbook for Russia, which tried to explain "Moscow" as coming from ancient Mosoch) were printed in Kyiv).
     
    Rolman said:
    Oh wow. Now that is interesting. Especially when you realize that Mikołaj Czarny seems to have been in direct contact with Calvin himself. How... Unfirebrandish... Any more insights on the strange beast that is PLC Calvinism, please do tell! I will not lie and confess to not having done my reading on the Brothers or the Calvinist-Lutheran splitting going on around this time yet.
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    I'll check it out.
    Kir the Wizard said:
    From the Polish perspective it's "Język ruski", but from the Ruthenian perspective "Rus'ka mova / Mova ruskaja" is fine, considering that the implication is that he is learning language from her.
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    True, contemporary Polish has the very same phrase as well, yet Ruski still is better with English wording. Ruthenian would be the best solution.

    Oh and if we would want to stick with Ruskaja, it's better than Ruska. Ruskaja is the Old Belarusian (Ruthenian) version.
     
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