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It's also quite interesting how the Starostwas by this point were being treated as pretty much their hereditary lands, with the king simply approving the formality.
True, this was one of the things Zamoyski and the Executionists fought against. While in his time the magnates didn't even try to maintain the facade of legality and held the royal land grants illegally after the death of the holder, they quickly adapted in later years. The Starostwas were then formally awarded by the King to the heir or next of kin after relinquishing the title for one reason or the other, thus circumventing the law. The King can in theory award the particular Starostwo to anyone, but it just so happens, that it always has to be a Radziwiłł or a Pac or a Sapieha, etc. Such was the price of their support.
 
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The Sapiehas gamed their position in the Commonwealth politics, and used the likely fake 16th century princely title for momentary diplomatic upheaval. Quite possibly they would introduce themselves as princely, while being coy on where exactly is the proof of this, because, hey, King Sigismund himself approved of it.
The Sapiehas have supposedly received their princely title from Sigismund I in 1512 and Sigismund II Augustus in 1572 supposedly confirmed the title of Count of the HRE, that they received from Emperor Maximilian II. 3 scientific publications I found explicitly debunked both of these claims.

Im-- Imperial Title?! In this year, in this period, in this part of the world, localized entirely within your village?

yes.

May I see it?

no.
 
After some extra-quick research, I failed to confirm whatever the various Wiki pages have been saying. The Sapiehas have supposedly received their princely title from Sigismund I in 1512 and Sigismund II Augustus in 1572 supposedly confirmed the title of Count of the HRE, that they received from Emperor Maximilian II. 3 scientific publications I found explicitly debunked both of these claims. The Sapiehas received their first title of Princes of the HRE in 1700 and the Sejm of 1768 merely confirmed their supposedly old Lithuanian title, based on the false claims mentioned above. They also received similar confirmations of their old title from the occupying powers in later years.
On a side note, it's no wonder that well-propagated (and, thus, "appearing in many sources") misconceptions still persist on the Wikis.

Here's, for example, the picture you will get if you google "Daughters of Yaroslav the Wise"


This picture is the last remnant of the 11-th century fresco, and we know its full design because of an 18th century sketch made by a Dutch artist:




(the figures of Jesus and the Queen Mother were lost due to a wall getting ruined and replaced in late 17th century)

Looking at the sketches, it is obvious that the princesses were on the other side, and the figures with scepters represented the SONS of Yaroslav.
Turns out a series of 19th century restorations "feminized" the princes into the figures of Saints Hope, Faith, Charity, and Sophia. But because the memory of "this is part of the picture of the royal family" remained, way too many people, wiki editors included, just went "huh, they are girls, these must be the daughters" (even lined up which one was which daughter!). Despite the figures still wearing the same male robes! There is like one unisex dress in that whole set!
 
[X] Write to Lord Ostrogski expressing interest in meeting his daughter, Elżbieta.
[X] "Now I'd love to see a lady hunt."
 
48 hours remain!

Totus Floreo II is already written up and will be posted near-instanteously (the uhhhhhhh 17-1 margin made me comfortable with prewriting it for a hunt) -- hopefully it'll tide you all over. The big update, which will indeed be on the bigger side, may take longer. I know I said February last time and it ended up coming up in like five days, but, for real this time!
 
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Pleased to announce that I have created a thread-hub over on Original Fiction for, well, original fiction! If I have the discipline to write stuff besides this and my maybe-getting-necro'd-soon-cyberpunk-quest, it'll be there.

Already a hot'n'ready one waiting for you, if you're interested. You may find it both similar and different to the usual fare...

Who knows, maybe am talking a big game but -- writing is cool. Developing a (good!) addiction. May I post more and more.

Pardon the interruption!
 
[X] Write to Lord Ostrogski expressing interest in meeting his daughter, Elżbieta.
[X] "Now I'd love to see a lady hunt."
 
[X] Write to Lord Ostrogski expressing interest in meeting his daughter, Elżbieta.
[X] "Now I'd love to see a lady hunt."
 

Scheduled vote count started by Rolman on Jan 13, 2024 at 1:59 PM, finished with 38 posts and 19 votes.
 
“Totus Floreo!” Pt. II. February 3, 1573. Kodeń, Podlaskie Voivodeship, Crownland-Lithuanian Border.
You and Mariana ride ahead of your little crowd of hunting aides and chaperones, the dogs forming a buffer in between. Marszowski obtained such a mercy by pulling at the heartstrings of Lord Paweł's chief lieutenant. So many men love not the woman they married and with the tenderness already forming between you two – well, not even a scar-faced hussar can resist a little stirring in the breast. Out of earshot but not eyesight, of course.

You're both bundled up. She, as ever, looks lovely in her furs, captivating as the snow whirls in the air after depositing about a stopa overnight. But these pines, these skinny pines! You just cannot get used to them, it's been years since you've seen them: you first thought they looked like a pike square in Pomerania and now you can't shake it. The entourage snakes around them, pikes-pikes-pikes in all directions. You take a swig from your wineskin.

"Foul time of year to be doing this, my lord," says Mariana, "but he'll lose his antlers any week now." She mimes a giant rack. "Or so I've heard, with strange knobs and nodules and everything."

"That's exciting," you say, "in France they never got very big."

"Why's that, my lord?"

"Hard times. The wars. Peasants hiding in the woods would eat anything and everything. Not even a dandelion left for the deer."

She blinks. You reckon she's trying to say something. "That sounds horrible, my lord. Worse than Livonia."

"I wouldn't know, but I'd wager a florin or three." A grim smile. You realize this isn't very good conversation for courtship. You replay seeing her nervous for the first time, before her father and surrounded by his sworn men. "You know, you can call me Stanisław if I get to call you Mariana. In private, that is."

Her cheekbones turn to apples. "I would like that," she says, with a tentative "Stanisław."

"Mariana," you reply, "Mariana. Mariana." You enunciate each sound, trying to get used to saying it aloud, to her face; you don't care if she sees it.

She cups a hand over the ear facing you and laughs. "Yes, yes, I can hear you."

"O Mariana!" you sound like you're beginning a soliloquy. Make her laugh. "O Mariana, jewel of Kodeń, your eyes are as pearls, your hair as gold and, ah– do you reckon that it'll be hard because the stags are done rutting, or easy because of the snow?"

It works. "Aw! You won't keep going? That was from the age of chivalry right there."

"Mmmmm," you pretend to debate it, doing scales with your hands. "My verses are best preserved for a songbook or a play, if an attendant hears me he may steal it and…"

"Mhm, mhm, very understandable, a bard such as yourself must be protective of such fine material."

"Indeed," you agree. "It is very good stuff." You sigh. "Mariana – it's good you're no longer 'my lady.'"

"Likewise, Stanisław," she cocks her head. "There's something about you, you know." Gulp. "Something different. Can't quite say what." But then her face flashes. "Ah! Ah! Well, a question, actually: what do you think of us ladies?"

You think the normal thoughts, but it would be strange to say it to her face. Why, though? It's true, isn't it? Mariana follows up, sounding more intrigued than anything else: "Do you think us to be dainty flowers, or wellsprings of the Devil?"

"No."

"Are you lying?"

Ehhhhhhhhhhh, what do you say, what do you say – "Maybe." She deflates.

There's a silence. Hooves crunching. A snort from your horse, the conversation of the entourage behind and the hounds yapping. It feels like an eternity. You almost feel like crying and you clear your throat and cough some. The Cold air is bad on your weak lungs; it's sharp and makes you wheeze. "I've never really known a lady," you say. "I never got very close with any in France."

"You've told me."

That's all she says. She stares. You continue. "I can remember my mother's face and that's it. She died when I was three or so. They say my father was very unkind." It is strange what they say about them. "Maybe I don't know better, but nothing seems wrong with you."

She rolls her eyes. "That's–"

"That came out wrong, that came out wrong. Mariana, the closest thing I ever had to a mother was my old nursemaid Tatjana." You look down at your hands. You're watching your words like back at the speech. "And… And, you know, she prayed all the time, superstitious as anybody, couldn't read, I loved her, I'll miss her forever, but..."

"You're talking to a lady who hunts. They hated it but I even skinned a fox once. Did you forget that we talked about Aristotle that night?"

"No, er, yes!" you're now gripping your cap, hands over your head. "That's what – I hardly know you, but nothing seems true. You seem as–" you look for words, "as smart as Zamoyski, as smart as anybody, I don't know."

She snorts. "As smart as any man, you mean. Well, no great black dogs have ever appeared before me, no man in black ever tried to seduce me, and I've certainly never swooned over a trifle. There's a…" She breaks eye contact. Thinking, not fearful, not fearful at all. "There's a difference between knowing what God wants for your kind, and what man thinks your kind is capable of."

You open your mouth to speak but she raises a finger. You obey. "Should we be wed I will be your wife, beyond just the bond it brings – I will be a good one, I will follow you and stand beside you always. That I swear to God, for that is His commandment. But you cannot think me weak." Those big eyes are so intense. "I am not weak, Stanisław. And besides, only weak men fear women."

Before you can say anything the horn sounds from behind. "Dogs found tracks, lord prince!" they shout.

"Ugh, how did we miss them?" growls Mariana, wheeling her horse about. "Fresh?" she calls out to the men, beating you to it.

"Fresh!" they reply.

She looks over her shoulder. "We can talk about it later, let's go!"

It must be hard for a peasant to hunt properly. A bow or crossbow, a few friends and dogs. Waiting, listening, trying not to breathe as they hide in trees and bushes. But, this! This is as easy as it is fun. Some droppings and tufts of fur are given to the scenthounds, the point dogs sent out after, and the horses make the snow no obstacle.

It's not before long that a posse of stags are sighted and chased down by the pointers through sheer endurance, tiring out the quarries quickly. It's a raucous time; the snow makes it easy to ride up close to the herd and simply take them down with pistols, carbines, the odd Tatar-style bow. You fire your carbine and land a perfect hit on one of the lesser stags – a heart-shot just behind the front shoulderblade – and you ignore a flash of Coligny's yawning, maimed hand in exchange for adrenaline-fuelled cackling.

But the King keeps being spared. The great hart everyone's got their eyes on, with points like church spires, zigzagging and warping in places into flats and knots and bent fork-tines, as wide as a bow. Such is tradition, the greatest kill is to be yours, the ranking man's. And it must be done up close and personal.

"Catch, lord prince!" shouts an attendant as he tosses you a lance. The King can barely run anymore; he turns about and snorts as the dogs run up and begin to hold him at bay.

But he rears up and bellows! One of the point dogs is kicked in the head, dead on the spot, and the stag breaks through their defensive line – heading straight toward you!

You raise your spear over your shoulder and try to time out an overhand thrust, but its head is down – it's a small target – the lance is caught in the antlers, it's sliding right through them! Your horse turns its flank and screams as contact is made, staggering backwards sideways. The King is dug into its guts and pushing. You withdraw your first thrust and move your grip on the spear higher up the shaft, trying to make it into a knife of sorts, stabbing the thing's head and upper back, bashing your forearms on the antlers, all to no effect even as your horse falls…

…Almost on top of you! You manage to get out of the stirrups and push off the saddle on the way down with only a moment to spare, rolling through the snow. You can't find your lance. The bleeding King looms over you. You only now register through your ringing ears that everyone and everything is barking and screaming.

A pistol appears only a foot or two above your head, its wheel spins painfully long and by God is it a misfire?! Thankfully it booms, deafening you further. The King sighs and his legs give out. Blood trickles out of his chest. You look up and the shooter's in a winter dress. Mariana?!

She drops to her knees over you – several attendants doing the same – all crossing themselves and thanking God. Everybody asks you if you're alright at the same time, sounding underwater.

You sit up and watch your own misting breath. "Yes, I'm fine, hard fall, I'm fine." You turn your attention to the now-peaceful King, the dead dog, your heaving, bloodied horse. You look behind you at the red-brown humps of the massacred herd. You start laugh-coughing, almost from fear. So fun yet so… Familiar. And not in a good way.

The attendants help you to your feet and Mariana approaches. She begins to brush the snow off you; she's very close to your face, the men are silent and watch. She must see your expression. "You're alright, lord prince, you're alright." She smiles. "I'm sorry I stole your kill, my lord." She bends down and wipes the powder off her hand in the snow.

"No, it's alright, thank you Mari– my lady." You look back at the battlefield again. "I downed one or two, I think," you say, looking at your spent carbine in the snow. "You– you had a pistol? How did you know how to use it?"

"No, I didn't, and I bow-hunt when they let me. You can learn from observation, " She enters into a harsh whisper. "One of the sworn men completely froze up and I took it out of his hand. Don't want to embarrass him."

It was a strange sensation to put down your own horse, but he was beyond saving. Then came the time to slowly, carefully butcher the herd – taking great care to save the King's neck and head – throwing organs and cuts to the hounds, praising them like good children, skinning the deer for some quick money so that the lordling-servants may buy themselves something nice. The adrenaline wears off, you shrink from the bloodshed, and the ride home is quiet save for your ringing ears, dressed deer slung over the back of every horse but your new, fresh one, donated by a chaperone.

Venison stew tonight, of course. Venison steak, too. The antlers, already removed from the King's still-fresh head, look quite fine over the head of the table. Old Paweł is (thankfully) utterly tickled by the thought of his daughter downing a prime stag and is as patronizing as he is praising – "just when I thought I've heard it all!" – and he too thanks God for your getting out of the close shave alright. You offer to replace the horse. "Oh, don't worry, lord prince. You being in one piece is payment enough for me," he says.

You stare across the table at Mariana and she stares back. There is scarcely anything to say; she saved you. She is strong. Strong as any lord, this lady. And what if it's in more ways than just one?

You know you're going to miss her when it's time to head home. And badly.
 
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To reiterate, there's gonna be two more after this: a main update and a Princess Ostrogska update in the style of "Totus Floreo." See you soon!

edit: oh, also, @Sertorius and @Kir the Wizard, it's happening again — are the Chodkiewiczowie actually Counts or am I getting fooled once more? Someone getting confused about the Count Palatine-Voivode translation?
 
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To reiterate, there's gonna be two more after this: a main update and a Princess Ostrogska update in the style of "Totus Floreo." See you soon!

edit: oh, also, @Sertorius and @Kir the Wizard, it's happening again — are the Chodkiewiczowie actually Counts or am I getting fooled once more? Someone getting confused about the Count Palatine-Voivode translation?
That is actually true.

King Sigismund II Augustus has uniquely awarded the title of Count of Szkłów, Mysza, Bychów and Hłusk to Jan Hieronimowicz Chodkiewicz and all his descendants (and only them, any other Chodkiewicz has no title) on the 15.VI.1568. It is the only such Western aristocratic title of Polish origin ever created (the Ruthenian Tyszkiewicz family claimed to had the other one, but it had been proven false, just like with the Sapiehas). With the Union of Lublin a year later all such foreign titles have been officially banned.
 
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That is actually true.

King Sigismund II Augustus has uniquely awarded the title of Count of Szkłów, Mysza, Bychów and Hłusk to Jan Hieronimowicz Chodkiewicz and all his descendants (and only them, any other Chodkiewicz has no title) on the 15.VI.1568. It is the only such Western aristocratic title of Polish origin ever created (the Ruthenian Tyszkiewicz family claimed to had the other one, but it had been proven false, just like with the Sapiehas). With the Union of Lublin a year later all such foreign titles have been officially banned.
Wow! How interesting. Was it for war heroics, do you know? Pretty formidable family on the field. Thanks as always!
 
Wow! How interesting. Was it for war heroics, do you know? Pretty formidable family on the field. Thanks as always!
The Livonian War was (and still is) raging between the Commonwealth and Muscovy. Chodkiewicz was the Grand Marshal of Lithuania and the Administrator of Livonia at the time. A few months earlier he took part in the great victory at the battle of Ula (Czaśniki). He wasn't in command, but surely had his own unit there. Fun fact: he was an ardent opponent of the Union and only conceded, when it became clear, the the King would see it through (and took away Podlachia and Ukraine while doing so).
 
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I love the dynamic between Marianne and Stanislav.

If there is a choice between power and the personal happiness of the hero, I will vote for happiness.
 
Good grief! Our first real date and we have an existential crisis over if women count as people or not.

And our bad alcohol habit continues.

"Do you think us to be dainty flowers, or wellsprings of the Devil?"

"No."

"Are you lying?"

Ehhhhhhhhhhh, what do you say, what do you say – "Maybe." She deflates.

'Please, God, don't let him be sexist.'
 
Good grief! Our first real date and we have an existential crisis over if women count as people or not.

And our bad alcohol habit continues.



'Please, God, don't let him be sexist.'
Ah, 1573. I enjoy subverting men thinking Renaissance Thoughts by causing brain-malfunction in the face of strong women (or at least "I'm destined to be a good obedient wife but fuck you Im not your half-human slave"). It's fun to write and sadly remains relevant to our times too. Hope nobody thinks depiction = endorsement somehow.

Say, there's a really good novel I'll recommend that explores this topic: Everyone Knows Your Mother's a Witch by Rivka Galchen. It details the (thankfully failed) witch trial of Katharina Kepler — yes, the astronomer's mom — from her first-person perspective.

stanisław is not ready for elżbieta i'll tell you what
 
Ah, 1573. I enjoy subverting men thinking Renaissance Thoughts by causing brain-malfunction in the face of strong women (or at least "I'm destined to be a good obedient wife but fuck you Im not your half-human slave"). It's fun to write and sadly remains relevant to our times too. Hope nobody thinks depiction = endorsement somehow.
I'm down to be a 16th Century Liberal Catholic Wifeguy. I am Mary's (same name as our matron saint, btw!) Ride-Or-Die.

The only way this whole situation gets funnier is if Elzbieta and Marianna are childhood friends and our letters to the Ostorgska are lined with very heavy ribbing at us eating shit on the hunt. I say we use these letters as an opportunity to network in the East instead of trying to woo the rich girl.
 
Nobles confusing and "re-appraising" their own titles is an interesting phenomenon for the region, too.
When Lithuania was integrating into the international Christendom, the Kunigaikščiai at first tried to depict their Lithuanian title as Imperator, considering the number of realms they ruled over, then Rex, and finally Magnus Dux, which also translated roughly to the neighboring Turkic system as Beylerbey. Rulers of Muscovy translated the three Khanates of Kazan, Astrakhan and Siberia into "Tsardoms", thus claiming the title of Tsar/Czar, an approximation of Caesar, which would mean... "Secondary Emperor in the Eastern Roman Empire" (with the top emperor being Augustus). This title they tried to translate as Imperator in embassies to the Germans (leading to quotes like "The Imperium of the Grand Duke of Moscow"), before being accused of unlawful imperial claims, and, in the 17th century, "downgrading" the title to Rex-level, explaining to the Swedish diplomats that "just as any realm has their own word for Kings, Tsar is ours".

I'll try to get some time to write small infoposts on Orthodox religious problem in the Commonwealth (and why it was such Serious Business, despite a seemingly rosy start), and something on regional topography, maybe.
 
VII. February 6-April 5, 1573. Crisscrossing the Grand Duchy, then back to Warszawa.
The Bug's been forded; it's time to go home. After a day or two at Brześć your convoy winds northwards through the snow, bypassing the marshlands and heading through the great Białowieża forest on a beeline for Dubinki Castle, your old home. Everywhere and everyone greets you with fanfare. You're well taken care of by virtue of Sapieha men in Nowogródek, and merely mentioning "Radziwiłł" everywhere else guarantees a lavish evening. The Crownlands offered a warm welcome, to be sure, but here? You felt like royalty at times.

And a surprise appeared on the road just outside of Wilno: an interception by a party of armed men, a group nearly as big as your own… In Radziwiłł livery? They're led by a bearded man with wavy, shoulder-length hair, looking noble rather than unkempt. He locks eyes with you.

You both recognize each other but he calls out: "I'm looking for the man my Father says is the bookish one of us three. He's got the royal infamy for being very boring."

You ride forward, and he moves to meet you; you can't not beam. "Septimus, I'll have you know I spent two years following the Royal Army in France." you meet each other, still mounted, and lock arms into a brotherly side-hug. You see now that a thin but raised scar arcs down his forehead and left cheek.

"Right, but did you get into any dust-ups, or only watch them?"

Caught. "I worked the baggage train, learned an awful lot about salt pork and where to get it from." You don't want to talk about the rest.

"That'll be fixed yet!" He sounds excited, and sees you staring at the scar. He taps on it. "Muscovite bardiche, just the tip of it. He got it much worse from me," he chuckles. "Not that– not that quartermastering isn't honorable, brother."

You're going to let that roll over you. "Where's Krzysztof?"

"In the field. Probably hanging off his saddle doing tricks like a Zaporozhian, somewhere around Witebsk." He was always flamboyant. "Consummate hussar, that man." He looks past you. "Now where's that old dog Andrzej Marszowski?"

Sir Marszowski rides up and the two start talking almost in the way that you do with him, except it's all battles – '64, '67, '68 – all bloody good times, it seems, and in the literal sense. You feel left out, yet simultaneously thankful that you didn't have to live it. You curse yourself for cowardice, but when Mariana said that France seemed worse than Livonia she may have been wrong: they say the peasants were used by the Muscovites as target practice, and the ones left alive are eating each other and dying of the pest. Now that's bad, it makes your blood boil, but how come they're talking about battles like it was last month's hunt?

Sir Marszowski, despite not looking your way, seems to somehow read your mind. He turns his head. "It's a lot more fun fighting instead of watching, lord prince," he explains, "you feel alive. Especially when your foes are barbarians instead of brothers."

"He speaks the truth," agrees Septimus. "France sounds like utterly nasty business. Don't blame you for wanting to study instead. Defending your home is very different."

"We're in a lull but not for long, lord prince," says Marszowski. He smiles. "I'll keep you up to snuff with your blades."

You're a little frozen up but the two start encouraging you, making you feel lighter. How you've got a fighter in you waiting to come out, how even bookworm-blatherer Sierotka can and does hold his own, that there'll be glory and satisfaction in driving the false Caesar Iwan and his lapdog Magnus out of Livonia.

The entourages merge and carry on; everyone seems preoccupied on the ongoing skirmishing and the threat of renewed open war. Marszowski speaks and acts like a different man – still hot-blooded and passionate, but logical, colder, rational, speaking of killing like it's nothing. Like his advice-giving form magnified. The lordlings loudly share war stories, no doubt trying to curry favor and clout. You find your brother perfectly warm and likable yet utterly changed. There is not much to talk with him about besides swapping news. The faraway feeling grows and grows, like you're surrounded by men in some sort of secret fraternity. These bloody lands seem to call for one. This is no confessional squabble-turned-nightmare.

It's all starting to get to you. Do you feel any different about war?

[] Yes.

Does not imply eagerness, but someone must stop Iwan, depose false king Magnus, bring civilization and the Liberty to Livonia.

[] No.

Does not imply cowardice (though others may level an accusation), and you will indeed fight if you must, but in your heart you can never accept such an evil as truly necessary.

[] Maybe this'll be different.

You haven't even killed a man – Marszowski, your brothers, even the lowliest of your retainers cannot say the same. You reckon: "what do I really, *truly* know?" And things in Livonia sound like bellum iustum and then some.

Sadly, the meeting with Septimus was only in passing, as he was bound south for a mission to the Ostrogscy -- how timely.

You wintered in Dubinki and felt no affinity with the building itself whatsoever. The village, its Calvinist church, the ubiquitous pines all around, you recognized it all but you remembered none of it. It doesn't feel like home; nowhere feels like home. But the people made it better: sharing good times and long stories with the now-aging steward Szygrod and your old tutor Farensbach – the latter very happy to see the highly humanistic cast that's taken you over. Marszowski kept you in good practice with sword, saddle, and dance-step as your lungs improved by the week. The war had brushed around Dubinki's north – some raids, a few isolated hamlets torched – but the family estates and towns were spared the worst of it. Meanwhile, you felt Tatjana's presence all through the halls and in your nursery and childhood chambers and prayed on it daily; a little shrine to the Virgin always takes shape in any quarters you spend more than a week or two in. You hoped to see her in apparition, even if it be the work of Satan, simply to call out and tell her you love her one last time.

Father, on the other hand, as always, was someplace else – this time around with Krzysztof in the East. But you will see him again in Kijów alongside Septimus, you're told, when you meet Prince Ostrogski and his maddening daughter. The Grand Duchy must stick together, explains Marszowski, and now more than ever should its two greatest families strengthen their bond. Your meeting with Elżbieta, seemingly, has turned into cause for a summit between powerful equals.

Indeed, you received a letter from the Prince that was a warning as much as it was an invitation:

From the Serene and Noble Prince Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski, of his own arms, penned by his own hand in the great city of Kijów,

God's grace and well wishes upon His Serene Highness the Prince Stanisław Radziwiłł of Dubinki and Birże of the Trąby, and likewise goodwill to his esteemed family, noble retainers, et cetera. May this letter find all the aforementioned in high spirits and good health.

Most honored am I to know of Your Serene Highness' interest in contracting a marriage or betrothal with my youngest daughter, Elżbieta. Therefore I duly and with great eagerness extend an invitation to my castle at Ostróg, that fine palace of my forefathers, to discuss such prospects as noble peers and as men, and so that Your Serene Highness may meet the Princess personally and appraise her.

I possess great hopes that a union between our two great houses will only strengthen the bond between our people and peoples, who are of like minds in all matters, to strengthen the fraternity of our faiths and the Liberty-guarantor of such (we do thank Your Serene Highness' work in achieving such, though we sent no emissary), to see the Grand Duchy – our home from which we have been so sadly ripped from – prosper always, and forever remain a sister to the Crown, rather than a daughter. To God I pray for this fortune, and on Earth I toil for it.

As I am told Your Serene Highness is an upright man most appreciative of candor and straight-talking, I will indeed say that she is of a most unusual character: she may speak as a man would and is interested in mannish pursuits; in her prayers she is neglectful; in her voice she is brash and speaks without thinking; regarding her mind, she is of great intelligence – too much intelligence, for it only compounds her confounding nature – on all of these matters I will not lie. Yet, in the end, she will obey. Of this I am certain, for I have made it so more than once, for what man cannot control a woman? And I am told that Your Serene Highness is of a similarly passionate nature, natural to such a lofty station, good raising, and the illustrious name of Your Serene Highness' people and race, endowed with an open mind from time well-spent in the West where, I am told, the womenfolk are of a certain willfulness. May I not be found presumptuous to say such, for it is only what His Serene Highness the Prince Mikołaj, both father and son, have told me.

Yet I digress. She is also of good proportion and health,
a woman grown (although only recently), and considered to be most suitable for the bearing of children and the living of a long life by nursemaid and physician alike. We hope Your Serene Highness will find her most comely, despite her peculiarities.

I further look to greet Your Serene Highness as a Prince, speaking unto a Prince, alongside Your Serene Highness' esteemed father and brother, for the benefit of all. On these matters I shall hold my tongue for the sake of sensitivity, but know that nothing but further harmony and fraternity will emerge from such a meeting; I am most confident of such being the case.


We shall see, we shall see.

In the meantime, a Count Chodkiewicz appeared at Dubinki at the request of your father, calling upon you. A big, strong man with an age-concealing beard to match; his calloused right hand nearly crushes yours in a handshake. "Jan Hieronimowicz is my name, lord prince, Grand Marshal of Lithuania, Count of Bychów, Mysza, Szkłów, and Hłusk, Voivode of Livonia, of my own arms." Now here's a man!

"I am most pleased to meet you, lord Count." ...I didn't know we had counts. Marszowski did talk about his family, though – real old-school knights.

"Likewise, lord prince. Do I come as a surprise?"

"Yes. May I assume that you are here to discuss matters of the war, however frozen?" you wave an attendant over for wine, filling both your silver goblets with a blood-ruby Tuscan. "Please, sir, drink with me; I know you come only from Wilno but the winter air dries out the humors."

He tips it back, slightly greedily. "Thank you, lord prince, and indeed, that is the case." He snorts. "Funny, I'm of too much pride, maybe – I thought my reputation preceded me. Your father sent me, lord prince."

"Ah, well, do me tell me of yourself, lord count," you say, "you know I'm the freshest-faced prince in the whole Union." He chuckles only after you do.

Count Chodkiewicz smiles. "Fresh-faced or not, you spoke like a Roman senator at Warszawa, a fine oratory, fine-fine-fine." Despite his easygoing countenance, he sits stock-straight in his seat. "I'm throwing my lot in with Iwan for a laugh, because God damn those Crownlanders." He laughs heartily. "But I suppose any king is better than no king."

"Cheers to that." Clink. Even though you've both already worked a good bit on your first round; you take a big gulp and finish it off. "Belated, heh."

After the usual pleasantries and a goblet or three of wine, you finally ask: "Now why did my father send you, Count Chodkiewicz?"

"Well, I'm all stiff from being thrown from horses, lord prince, but not for no reason," he grins. "You see, Livonia's my darling and my child, and I've spilled lots of blood on her behalf – mine, my men's, countless barbarians', and maybe even a Swede's or German's here and there."

"You are a Grand Marshal after all, lord count, I'd expect no less…"

"Well, may I be blunt, lord prince?" he takes a swig, which inspires you.

"Please."

"Your father – he's a pinch worried about how and what you'll do on a battlefield. I asked him 'how would you know?' He said, 'that's the problem.'"

God-DAMMIT. Again! Again! You clear your throat, making you cough. The wine's clogging you up, anyways. "You know, lord count, you're just the messenger, but–"

"I apologize–"

"No, no, don't apologize." Drink lifts up blood and black bile, it is known. "Clearly only Septi– Prince Mikołaj Septimus knows. Nobody bothered to ask but I did spent years with the army camps in France, in their wars, I was attached to a general, you know, a Florentine named Strozzi."

You explain your role as junior logistician and the things you've seen, perhaps almost sounding enthusiastic or certainly impassioned; Count Chodkiewicz nods along, adding a "very good, lord prince," or "I see, lord prince," here and there.

You try to step up as a superior. "Speak to me with candor and as an equal, please, lord count. I am tired of being doubted and will do what it takes."

"Frankly, then, I'm not quite sure why people think you soft." He shrugs. "What you think of faith and your humanism – whatever, says I, because I've seen the kindest men kill on the field without a second thought. What's concerning is that you haven't seen battle neither as soldier nor leader."

Despite this… Climate of disrespect, or whatever one may call it, Count Chodkiewicz doesn't seem to personally look down on you. In fact, he seems a straightlaced Marszowski, a Marszowski who aged and grew – though you saw his bloodthirsty side just days ago – one who prefers the advisors' roundtable and even the command tent to a ball or hall or manor. "It's fine work to be a quartermaster," he says, nodding, "truly. But a prince ought to be the Great Ducal Quartermaster or Crown Quartermaster or not at all – it's, well, it's embarrassing. Just a pinch, of course. I reckon you need to learn some command, lord prince."

He comes up a little bit empty-handed on that, though. "Savages haven't been attacking much lately," he says – you don't know which ones he's talking about – "Though the Tatars are always playing their games." Ah-hah.

You figure that that'll be someday and perhaps someday soon, but not today. After all, the election Sejm is due to convene come spring, and it's hard to lead an army without orders from a King and your father already in the field himself. But you realize that your work is cut out for you. From Wilno and even Ryga you furnish De Re Militaris and stories of the Great Captain among other books, doing your best to keep in good practice and forget not what you learned in France.

You decide that Marszowski alone isn't enough; he's good for the thick of it and a fine subaltern, for lack of a better word, but you need a real advisor, a lieutenant for a full-sized army. Someone desperate or hungry enough to swear an oath to you personally, and with experience in leading hundreds of men, not dozens.

Do you search for…

[] An inside hire, from the ranks of the family's sworn men.

Albeit loyal, trustworthy, and at least competent – this is without doubt – the candidate pool is obviously narrowed greatly. A generalist, experienced with the house army's infantry, cavalry, and small battery of cannon and mortars. Marszowski will personally vet them, but the sycophants will surely come flocking. You'll allow this man to be closer with you more quickly; you reckon the alternatives will need some trials.

[] An outside hire, specifically a veteran lordling.

There's no shortage of men, both Lithuanian and Crownlander, who have held low to mid-level commands and are in between lords. Most likely a cavalryman but equally likely to be a generalist. Probably a social climber, very concerned with personal honor and prestige, and may bring baggage from past battles and feuds.

[] An outside hire, specifically a mercenary captain.

Ryga will provide one, from the Livonian Wars. Unsavory and unprestigious but class and good manners don't win battles. Swedes, Danes, Germans, native Livonians and even Scotsmen ply their trade here, and all may be considered. Musket and polearm are their bread and butter, but a dedicated artillerist could be found, too. But what kind of captain finds himself without a company, desperate enough to put himself under a lord's yoke? They're sketchy enough as is…

[] Write-in.

Probably for if you want specific talents, a narrower scope.

The snow turned to mud in the blink of an eye. March passed uneventfully save for that meeting with the Princess (by God!) and the end of the month heralded a knee-high trudge back to Warszawa. You visited an ill Mariana on the way but couldn't speak freely on account of the brigade of nurses, surgeons, and physicians that hovered about, so not too much could truly be said. She was beautiful, though. Pallid, sweating, and hollow-cheeked – it didn't matter. You thanked God and Mother Maria and all the Saints when you received a missive at Warszawa telling of her recovery.

Sadly, there wasn't much time to celebrate, though, as the little Wawel refilled and the camp – now even larger – took its extra-muddy shape outside the city walls. The big one is here. Your Father and Septimus are here, too, with Krzysztof and Sierotka only a week or two behind.

The old man, convinced of your competence in diplomacy though distant as ever, decides to put you to work. The French faction is quickly gaining steam through the efforts of their ambassador Montluc – you don't know him – while Lord Firlej and his Protestants stand resolutely with the Swedish option. The ex-Lithuanians' scheme for Iwan has been thrown into disarray by an equally absurd response from the jumped-up Grand Prince, while the lesser lords angle for a native candidate with a traceable descent from Piast himself. The wildest ones even holler about King Zamoyski, though the man himself balks. Meanwhile, only the clergy and some arch-Catholics support the Archduke Ernest with vigor, though all understand that he enjoys perhaps-tentative Radziwiłł support.

So many things to do, so many people to talk to… Curse it… At least you have a decent amount of freedom in your doings. Do you begin by…

[] Discrediting Montluc and Prince Aleksandar.

Won't make you friends.

[] Attempting to convince Firlej of the Imperial camp's good intentions.

Like talking to the ramparts, perhaps.

[] Meeting with the Archbishop-Primate, the Interrex Jakub Uchański.

A brazenly pro-Imperial and/or conservative message – though none can accuse you of Jesuit-like intolerance anymore.

[] Trying to make the lordlings neutral again.


The whole Piast thing is rather romantic.

[] Write-in.
 
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Ostrogski story on its way! Conversation between Septimus, Dad, and Stanislaw in said update will NOT be anything you don't know. Please vote freely.

That being said, vote will be open until that bit is up! Little bit different this time, so, go crazy!
 
Alert! Alert! Forgot to add write-in option for final voting choice. Do check if you're somehow here reading already!
 
[X] Yes.
[X] An outside hire, specifically a mercenary captain.

idk about the rest, leave that to the more historically and politically inclined xd
 
[X] Maybe this'll be different.
[X] An inside hire, from the ranks of the family's sworn men.
[X] Attempting to convince Firlej of the Imperial camp's good intentions.


Regarding the attitude towards the war - Neutral option. We are not afraid of war, we do not want to kill "barbarians". We're just figuring out the situation for the benefit of the family.

Mercenaries do not know the specifics of the theater of operations. And we do not know the theater of operations.

What we know about the French army may not be applicable here, so we need a person who thoroughly knows the Lithuanian army. It will also provide classic campaign options that are expected from us. And we can modify these options taking into account our experience (and the meta-experience of dozens of people of the 21st century).

The Swedes are our strategic allies, capable of helping us solve our problems with fire and sword. (And also, depending on the state of Swedish metal mining, we can try to organize manufactories based on Swedish iron, which will enrich our family)
 
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