Shadows of Alqualondë (LoTR Quest)

Part Five: A Word to the Wise
With an increasing atmosphere of disquiet, eventually you can stand it no longer. Calling on the house of Elwing proves more simple than you'd expect, the single guard posted by the door recognising you instantly. Of course, it's hard not to given the color of your skin and the red robe you have become famous for. You wait patiently as he enters the house and returns a minute later.

"Lady Elwing will see you," he confirms. "If you have weapons, leave them with me."

You give him a withering expression and momentarily lock eyes. He concedes the point with a slight droop of his shoulders and duck of the head, then leads you inside. You quickly find yourself in the same room you met with Earendil in, months before. Elwing is standing by the head, one delicate hand resting on the wooden surface. She inclines her head. "Welcome to my household, wizard," she says. But one detail catches your attention.

"You aren't wearing the necklace," you remark in surprise. "But it's a necklace everybody seems worried about." You catch the flicker of offense that fleetingly crosses her face, and you make a conscious effort to relax. "Sorry," you say. "Thank you for seeing me."

"If you have come to discuss the Silmaril you are not the first," she says shortly. In the background you see two small children dart out of sight through a doorway, though Elwing taking her seat quickly brings your focus back to her. "Do you also ask me to surrender it?"

"These demands," you say slowly. "That you hand it over to them. By all accounts they will not hesitate to take it by force. Why risk it for a piece of jewelry?"

"The Silmaril has caused much grief," she says sadly. "To wear it is a heavy thing. Yet also I would keep it from the Sons of Fëanor, as some small weregild for all their crimes. Here it is a thing of hope, yet it would serve no such purpose for them. Would they then attempt to wrest the remainder from the Iron Crown itself?"

"The Iron Crown?" you ask, some half-remembered thing tickling at the back of your mind.

"Aye, lad," Telchar said gruffly. "Only once have I heard of my masterworks breaking, and 'twas in the act of prying one of the great jewels from the Iron Crown itself! Reckon that's a trade worth making."

"Morgoth wears the two Silmarils he holds in banded iron," she says a touch bitterly, "for even he lusted after them. But he cannot corrupt those hallowed jewels, for all he destroyed the source of their light. The Noldor mark it as a great tragedy, and perhaps it is so, but my heart is cold to the Sons of Fëanor and the plight of the Silmarils."

You shift in your seat. "It seems to me that they are less holy than they are cursed," you venture. "I hear about the atrocities committed in their name, but little else."

Elwing shrugs artlessly and you perceive a strained expression around the edges of her eyes, something more visible for her otherwise pristine beauty. "Forgive me," she says. "I am being a poor host."

"I brought it up," you reply apologetically, understanding how abrupt a shift in conversation signified her discomfort. "It was impolite."

"The fault is mine for rising to the occasion," she demurs. "I worry for my husband, and oft it feels the world has now darkened and closed about me for his absence. But let us talk of lighter things." She rises from her seat, and you admire the effortless posture displayed in the motion. "Wine?" she asks.

"Perhaps a glass," you allow, accepting more for the sake of politeness than actual enthusiasm. But from there you find yourself fascinated by the wistful stories she tells of her childhood, painting a picture of Menegroth so vivid you can near see it before you. Had you not seen the grand stonework of the dwarves and the effortless beauty of Gondolin you would have been unable to grasp what a synthesis of the two might have been like, and you find yourself a touch grieved for its loss.

When the second glass has gone and you are telling her with uncharacteristic nostalgia about the barren beauty of the desert you realise that things really have gone too far for your comfort. You make your excuses and leave, having a far better picture of who Elwing is. There is far more to her than superficial beauty. She will not surrender the Silmaril.

So you prepare. While you can transmute a suit of armor in a pinch, and you do just that for the individual pieces, the strapping and runecraft is somewhat more temperamental and benefits from your undivided attention. Ensuring all the plates properly overlap without impeding your movement takes the best part of a day, even with no forging involved, but as with the sword just a week prior the runes take significantly longer.

When you fought in defence of Gondolin, you saw first hand the impeccable archery and skills of the elves, and the great hill which the city sat on effectively prohibited archery from what you now know to be substantially weaker orcish bows. The potential to actually be fighting them in battle is not one that appeals to you, but if they attack the city with you in it...well. You won't have much of a choice then, will you?

So you work. You innovate new runes that will protect you from arrows beyond simply making your armor invulnerable. The mithril soaks up the magic you need to power such a proactive and wide-ranging ward, and it very nearly drains your reserves completely dry in the making. To create a rune which channels raw thaumaturgy to totally disintegrate any incoming arrows is no small thing.

It is fortunate, then, that you have a full nights sleep. When sunlight peeks in through the (new) glass windows of your shared home, you are roused to the sound of a horn. You open the door in your nightshirt to see several elves go running past. "The Sons!" one of them cries aloud. "The Sons of Fëanor are here!"

You curse and slam the door, kneeling down and pulling up the chest lid where you stowed your newly created armor just the day before. The mithril breastplate, dents and all, sits on the top of the pile like a mirror. Your face looks grim as you reach for it, the mottled burns expanded by the curve of the reflection.

"The Sons are here?" Miriel gasps, looking out the window. "No!" Her face crumples and her hand goes to her mouth, her whole body fraught with tension. "Not again," she whispers. "No, not again. I can't do this again." She turns to see you, and stills. "My lord?"

"I'm not your lord," you grunt, lifting the armor from the chest and spilling it onto the bed. "Help me with these straps." You pull of the nightshirt to her gasp of shock, ignoring her as you pull on a thin shirt and struggle into the padding that will protect you beneath the armor. Then you have the straps. "Miriel," you ask. "Please."

That seems to jolt her out of her surprise and dread, and she hurries over to pull through the leather which holds the plate against your body. All the while through the window you can see the gleam of maille pass by and heading towards the walls. Miriel's fingers thread the straps through the buckles with the dexterity of a seamstress, and when they cinch tight you test them and give her a nod.

"Thank you," you say sincerely. It would have been a pain to try and get it on by yourself. "You should try and get somewhere safe."

"I'll go to the docks," she whispers, folding her hands together and drawing together her composure. "But nowhere is safe from them." She steps back. "Be safe, master wizard." Then she is up the stairs and into her room, preparing to flee her home.

"Well," you mutter grimly. "Let's get started." The swordbelt buckles round your waist and as you pick up your staff you can feel the stored magic there almost thrumming. You lay a hand on the door and push it open. In the intervening minutes the streets have become more chaotic, the narrow paths suddenly filled with people trying to get away from the walls and towards the center of the Havens, for all the good it will do them. You proceed to go in the opposite direction, but then a cry catches your attention.

"Master Figwit!" an elf shouts, arm up to catch your attention and steps swift as he follows after you. "Ecthelion of the Fountain summons you to the wall! He bids me take you to him!"

"Lead the way," you reply instantly, and the elf nods sharply. Rather than taking the closest route you find yourself being led around the inner circumference of the wall, and the noise of the population dies away. The walls themselves seem deathly quiet. Eventually your guide stops by one of the short stairs up to the top of the wall, a rather sad distance to climb in comparison to Gondolin's fortifications, but you follow his wordless invitation.

At the top, as promised, is Ecthelion. He and the rest of the soldiers occupying the top of the wall are looking out and over into the tall reeds, and the moment your head surmounts the parapet you can tell why. On the other side, arrayed in grim and silent legion, is a veritable panoply of armor and weapons. The only reason you can't make a count are the thick reeds which once hid the Havens obscuring your view, but you can guess at thousands. At least. But here, at the front a mere dozen meters from the base of the wall, is a standard bearer carrying the emblem of the House of Fëanor. Beside him is a well-armored and regal elf with a helmet under one arm, russet red hair free in the slight breeze.

"Here is the famed wizard!" he says good-naturedly. "Greetings!" He gives you a short half bow, free hand against his chestplate. "I had hoped to have speech with you. I am-"

"Maedhros, eldest son of Fëanor," you interrupt. "Yes, I know." The hair was rather distinctive, and his fine half-plate already advertised him as being of high rank.

"Then our introductions are finished," he replies. "I have spoken with Ecthelion at some small length, yet 'twas you I had hoped to see." He straightens up, and you can see nothing but earnestness in his face. "I have heard great tales of your valour and strength in the arts of the wise, and I would not wish to contend with you needlessly - though I shall, and so shall all with me if need be."

You glance at Ecthelion, but he only stares ahead and out over the heads of the army arrayed beneath you, his lips pinched in a thin line. By the time you look back, Maedhros has had time to continue.

"Hear me," Maedhros says. "I have come to reclaim my birthright, the Silmaril wrought by my father's hand and unjustly stolen by the accursed Morgoth Bauglir. We have sworn a holy oath before the Valar themselves to reclaim them from all other hands, and we have bled sorely for that oath."

"In the stories I've heard it wasn't you who reclaimed the jewel," you point out mildly. "But I've heard plenty about your attempts."

"Beren won the Silmaril by great valour," Maedhros agreed. "His love was pure and bravery worthy of a prize. Thus we stayed our hands until he had passed beyond the circles of the world. Yet if a man steals from a thief, that does not make it his. The Silmaril is ours by right of blood, and our Oath demands we suffer no others to hold it. You have great power - I beg you, do not oppose us and stain these grounds with blood."

"Ecthelion?" you murmur, turning your head slightly. Though he doesn't reply his hand tightening on the hilt of his newly-reforged sword spells his opinion quite clearly.

"There are scarce a thousand of you here on these walls," Maedhros begs. "Here we have twice ten thousand! All this for want of the Silmaril. Wizard, heed wisdom if you are wise!"
 
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So, who has the other two.

It's melkor, right?

And these are ultra-proud, hot-headed elves.

I don't think we can convince them to not go for it, but calling them cowards for going after one silmaril held by kin, rather than dare face their true enemy.

Then again this is probably something that could be solved via strategic marriage and inheritence... hmm. Not up on my elven genealogies, but an arranged marriage for Elrond or Elros could work if there's a suitable daughter. The oath, after all, requires it to be owned by "Fëanor's kin".

Maybe Írimë has a daughter or something.
 
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Well, I think our choice is pretty clear and inevitable.

We've been a guest here. These people are innocents and refugees. Our few friends are here.

We won't just back down or leave.
So, who has the other two.

It's melkor, right?
Are you suggesting we try to tell them to go after Melkor? Heh, a bold move.

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Then again this is probably something that could be solved via strategic marriage and inheritence... hmm. Not up on my elven genealogies.
Isn't Elwing married though?

So, bit of a problem there.

Plus, um -- Elwing and her family don't want to give the Silmaril over to the sons of Feanor; they won't want to marry them either. Not after their crimes and kinslaying.

So, this probably isn't a solution; there's no marriable people, and they wouldn't want to marry bloodstained folk, and they wouldn't want to give them the Silmaril.
 
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[X] Make plain their cowardice. The silmarils they should seek lie with Morgoth, not with their kin in the Havens.
[X] Remind them that it's probably less dangerous to go for the other Silmarils, as well.
 
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*spits* Ah the valorous sons of Feanor stand before us. :mad:

Foolish sons who followed an even foolish father.
 
Hey, I say we give them a chance to leave. And when they inevitably turn it down, clap a hand to Maedhros' shoulder and turn him into a lead statue. And then send THAT back to the Sons as our answer.

To repay treachery with treachery is appealing, but I'm worried about getting the Elrond and Elros killed due to Maehdros not being there to keep them as hostages.
 
To repay treachery with treachery is appealing, but I'm worried about getting the Elrond and Elros killed due to Maehdros not being there to keep them as hostages.
Forget about meta concerns, forget about honor. As soon as Maedhros says "Then it's war" the fight is on.

We turn him into a statue and (invisibly) rune him to explode violently as soon as he's been brought back into the presence of his brothers. Fuck these guys.

He'll inevitably be taken back to his brothers, so let's decapitate their leadership in one move. This is GOING to turn into a fight, I'm pretty sure. If we're fighting, we'd do well to fight dirty.
 
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[X] Make plain their cowardice. The silmarils they should seek lie with Morgoth, not with their kin in the Havens.
[X] Offer your services in retrieving the Silmarils from Morgoth in exchange for their promise not to harm the people here in the Havens.
[X] Give a demonstration of ability, to remind them of how sweet a carrot and how sturdy a stick you can be.
 
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[X] Make plain their cowardice. The silmarils they should seek lie with Morgoth, not with their kin in the Havens.
[X] Remind them that it's probably less dangerous to go for the other Silmarils, as well.
-[X] If Maedhros insists on attacking the innocent in the Havens in spite of our best diplomatic efforts (and barely-veiled threats) turn him into a statue
--[X] Send him back to the Sons after invisibly runing him to explode once he's been brought back into proximity with his brothers, thereby decapitating their leadership from the outset.

Sounds good, yeah.

Full Trojan Horse...or rather, Trojan Statue.

We can even rune him under his armor, too, to be extra sure.
 
Are we not yelling at eachother from the Wall? How are we gonna put runes on him from there, and I don't think we would have the time to do it.
 
I think we should try negotiating and suggesting the marriage plan first, rather than just immediately going into "call them a pussy + tell them to back off + launch an alpha strike on them via a Trojan Horse".

If the non-violent solution doesn't work, we can always just go with the Trojan Statue afterwards.

If we try the marriage proposal first, we can still try the Trojan Statue afterwards.
 
Are we not yelling at eachother from the Wall? How are we gonna put runes on him from there, and I don't think we would have the time to do it.
Our thaumaturgy range is actually something like 50-100 meters, so we can reach him to statuize and rune him. And in the previous quest it was shown that we could etch "Track + Proximity explode when target is in range" runes in mere moments. We're better at runes now than we were then, and this time it doesn't even have the tracking element. We can definitely do it.
I think we should try negotiating and suggesting the marriage plan first, rather than just immediately going into "call them a pussy + tell them to back off + launch an alpha strike on them via a Trojan Horse".

If the non-violent solution doesn't work, we can always just go with the Trojan Statue afterwards.

If we try the marriage proposal first, we can still try the Trojan Statue afterwards.
If we suggest a political marriage and the Sons accept but Elwing refuses, then the Sons look a bit more like they were being reasonable (they weren't. They were parking an army at a refugee camp). If we just tell them to back off and then alpha strike them as soon as they declare their intent to make war, we... still have a reputation as "That guy not to fuck with" and our elfbros come up smelling like roses.

Besides, we might not get this good an opportunity again. One of their leaders is right there in front of us and we can use him to kill the others. We should not hesitate to do so if they declare their intent to slaughter a bunch of civilians.
 
If Elwing refuses, our plan B is to use our incredible wisdom and intellect to convince a six-year-old to swear an oath. And we get two tries at it.

As is, though, I think we can spin it to her fairly easily as stealing the favorite daughter away from the Sons of Faenor. Taking a hostage, keeping the silmaril in Elwing's family, and keeping all their friends and family alive and uninjured. From Elwing's point of view, this is all-but-total victory.

I mean, if we want we can talk to Elwing beforehand - I'm sure we can stall if we really need to.
 
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If we suggest a political marriage and the Sons accept but Elwing refuses, then the Sons look a bit more like they were being reasonable (they weren't. They were parking an army at a refugee camp). If we just tell them to back off and then alpha strike them as soon as they declare their intent to make war, we... still have a reputation as "That guy not to fuck with" and our elfbros come up smelling like roses.
Well... so what?

Them looking slightly more reasonable? So what. As you pointed out, they still come off as assholes willing to murder refugees. So this really isn't an applicable argument because we're, um, not losing any reputation from it.

Plus, we'd still be getting a rep as "Do not fuck with" and our guys would still be smelling like roses because they're not the ones willing to murder refugees.


We don't actually lose any nebulous moral high ground if Elwing says no. Comparatively speaking, we're still at the top of a cliff and they're at the bottom of a valley, moral-high-ground-wise.
 
Perhaps include in the write in how morgoth is probably laughing while the elves are Killing eachother. Im not familiar with the sons so I will look them up tommorow.
 
If Elwing refuses, our plan B is to use our incredible wisdom and intellect to convince a six-year-old to swear an oath. And we get two tries at it.
See, I feel like there MIGHT be other points of failure there or ways that it could come back to majorly bite us in the ass :rolleyes: And Elrond and Elros aren't necessarily normal kids. Strong willed little buggers.

More importantly, they're like... 2. At most. Not 6. I don't think they're even TALKING that much. The timeline seems to have moved up significantly in response to our arrival (And can you blame them? Never give the Wizard Preptime). It's only been a few months tops since Earendil set sail, so this is happening earlier than it should've in canon.
 
Perhaps include in the write in how morgoth is probably laughing while the elves are Killing eachother. Im not familiar with the sons so I will look them up tommorow.
They're basically just shiny-hunting murderers. Straight up butchers. They killed their kin for boats because they didn't want to wait a little while to set sail. These guys are the bottom of the barrel. That's why I don't want to beat around the bush and try to play Elf Politics. I want to play the game that Figwit's actually good at.
 
More importantly, they're like... 2. At most. Not 6. I don't think they're even TALKING that much. The timeline seems to have moved up significantly in response to our arrival (And can you blame them? Never give the Wizard Preptime). It's only been a few months tops since Earendil set sail, so this is happening earlier than it should've in canon.
Elf kids talk like adults starting at the age of 1. Elves are weird.
 
Trying to convince 1 year olds to swear to an arranged marriage doesn't seem like the best thing to hang a plan on to me. If you go forward with your plan I only ask that you put the Trojan Horse elements of mine in it as a backup plan in case the arranged marriage thing doesn't work out :p
Plan: Give Me Marriage or Give Me Death.

Either you get a marriage, or you get lots of deaths. Very Shakespearean; either a happy play, or a tragic play.
 
I can't be arsed fighting this fight. If Elves want to kill themselves over a jewel, I don't think we should actively interfere and fight on one side just because we had the luck to wind up near one of them when we showed up.

[X] It seems folly to not have Elwing here as she is pertinent to the discussions as she clearly has an interest in this stake. If she and Feanor's sons can't come to an agreement on their own try and force her hand by emphasizing that while they are willing to kill for the jewel, regardless of victory she clearly doesn't mind if thousands of innocent elfish lives have to die for her to keep it and is little different in the end.
-[X] If this doesn't convince her to hand over the gem (or negotiate in good faith, e.g marriage as suggested here) and both sides are resolute in fighting for it, propose a duel instead. Elves are a race that values valor and martial skill highly, but equally each elvish live is precious and both sides need to conserve their strength if the goal is to truly fight and defeat Melkor. Have Elwing and the Feanor's son provide a representative to duel on their behalf for the Gem, with Figwit proceeding over it if it's deemed necessary.

This seems better than just calling the others cowards and instigating a fight that will lead to the death of thousands.
 
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Guy's I'm not sure how receptive Elwing would be to having one of her kids marry into the family that killed her father and fucked over her families kingdom....again.
 
Guy's I'm not sure how receptive Elwing would be to having one of her kids marry into the family that killed her father and fucked over her families kingdom....again.
And I don't really think that going directly to the kids would necessarily get much better results, assuming they're even old enough to communicate cogently on the subject.

I can't be arsed fighting this fight. If Elves want to kill themselves over a jewel, I don't think we should actively interfere and fight on one side just because we had the luck to wind up near one of them when we showed up.
Well let's be honest. We wound up with them, but we stuck with them because they're bros. The sons of Feanor are diiiicks. We're fighting them because they've marched an army up to the doors of a refugee camp for the sake of acquiring a shiny bauble. It's really not much different than fighting in defense of Gondolin, except they're attempting to parlay for what they want. What they want is not ours to give, and the one who holds it is unlikely to give it so...

How is a bunch of elves slaughtering a bunch of civilians for a pointless reason any better than a bunch of orcs slaughtering a bunch of civilians for pointless reasons?

We have every reason to fight. This isn't the arbitrary thing you're making it out to be. And if you think a fight isn't inevitable here, you're being naïve.
 
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