Maybe their form of travelling between systems is just really slow? They are planet sized beings after-all so they would probably have to slow down much sooner in order to not crash into their target planet like Eden did. Maybe?

Alternatively the Entities started their journey on the other side of the universe to ours and Eden and Scion are just the vanguard into our area of the universe?

Meh- who knows. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Except I only did my calculations based on ONE starting point. How about all the other Entities sent out when their home world was destroyed? Long before 1000 cycles would be complete, there would quite literally be more Entities out there then there are stars in the universe. Only if just one Entity/pair in each generation survives to find a new world would they not have overwhelmed the universe. But the interlude indicates that that's not the case.
 
Yes but The Rest of the world sees 20 degrees as closer to 70 Fahrenheit.

I happen to have a handy guide for how Farenheit works:

32 and below: everything is ice why

32-40: heckin' cold

40-55: bring a coat and a hat

55-65: light jacket and pants

70-85: shorts

85-92: shorts, sunscreen, and water

92-100: heckin' hot

100+: everything is fire, even you
 
I happen to have a handy guide for how Farenheit works:

32 and below: everything is ice why

32-40: heckin' cold

40-55: bring a coat and a hat

55-65: light jacket and pants

70-85: shorts

85-92: shorts, sunscreen, and water

92-100: heckin' hot

100+: everything is fire, even you
Here's my guide to Celsius users, for bands of Fahrenheit that correspond to their scale:

Below -10: Too Cold

-10 to 0: Cold (winter coat) -> 14 to 32 F

0 to 10: Brisk (bring a coat) -> 32 to 50 F

10 to 20: Nice (long sleeves) -> 50 to 68 F

20 to 30: Nice (short sleeves) -> 67 to 86 F

30 to 40: Too Hot (turn on AC) -> 87 to 104 F

Above 40: Evacuate!
 
Except I only did my calculations based on ONE starting point. How about all the other Entities sent out when their home world was destroyed? Long before 1000 cycles would be complete, there would quite literally be more Entities out there then there are stars in the universe. Only if just one Entity/pair in each generation survives to find a new world would they not have overwhelmed the universe. But the interlude indicates that that's not the case.
That doesn't work.
1)There is only one starting point.
2)Initially the entities had no control over where they went so it's extremely unlikely you'd get an average of 2 entities from each destroyed world.
3)We know some entities used different tactics than the pair that reached Earth
 
That doesn't work.
1)There is only one starting point.
2)Initially the entities had no control over where they went so it's extremely unlikely you'd get an average of 2 entities from each destroyed world.
3)We know some entities used different tactics than the pair that reached Earth

Wrong reread the interlude again. the entities went into a feeding frenzy, then used the destruction of their home world to propel a bunch of newborn Entities out into the universe in search of a solution to their unchecked population growth stripping their home world of it's capability to sustain life. The same interlude then multiple times describes Scion's line destroying the current planet to send a bunch of offspring out into the universe. It even mentions that the decedents of the original two entities that eventually lead to Scion bump into each other on occasion, and when they do they share any new memories that have been gained.

This means that it's not a pair of entities arriving on one world, then moving on to another one when finished. It means that for each world an entity in Scion's line visits, a new generation of newborn entities gets flung "in all directions", each one with every memory intact of the entire line that lead up to it. How many? Unknown since it's not mentioned. BUt if you assume only 2 sent out from each world find another habitable world, that's still a horrific population growth. FIrst cycle: 1 entity (the two that landed on that first world merged before blowing it up). Two entities find a new world, both spawn a pair of children that will find someplace else to experiment on. Now four have found new worlds. Then sixteen. Then 32. Then 64. Then 128. That's only seven cycles. On the eighth cycle 256 worlds are going to be consigned to death. The ninth cycle would then doom 512 worlds. On cycle 10 it's 1024. Cycle 11 is 2048. Cycle 12 is sending 4050 children out to new worlds. Cycle 13 ends with 8100 new entities sent out. Does this horrify you yet? And that's based on extremely conservative numbers. Chances are there's more worlds doomed then that. After all, the Entity(s) gained the ability to control their flight through space on the 2nd world, I think. And on the 3rd world they gained a precog ability to help guide them to the next destinations. Every offspring gets these abilities. So after the 3rd world, there's likely more of them finding a valid target world. But let's stick with only 2 per generation on each world finding a new location. Cycle 14 dooms 16, 384 new worlds. By the end of the 26th cycle 67,108,864 new offspring are heading out to find a new world to kill.

By cycle 54 (of 1,000) my calculator spits out 3.602879701896397e+16, according to my research this is about when there's one Entity per star finding a new world for about a fourth of the suspected stars in the entire universe. It's possible that by this point entire galaxies would have been depopulated. And that's just ONE of the many family lines of Entities that were sent forth from their home world. In the long run it's meaningless. It's canon that Scion's line did the experiment 1000 times before arriving on Earth. The math suggests this would have happened much earlier in those 1000 cycles, and thus Earth would have likely been just another casualty to their idiocy. Author Mandate states the Earth survives till this point, so it did. But if you sit down and actually do a little research and do the math, Wildbow's stated life cycle and travel method for Entities is horrific and indicates he didn't actually do the math. What should have just been a "And this is why Scion is such a huge threat" interlude ends up being a fridge horror "the universe should be dead already" moment.
 
Wrong reread the interlude again.
[snip]
What should have just been a "And this is why Scion is such a huge threat" interlude ends up being a fridge horror "the universe should be dead already" moment.

Are you also taking into account the overlap? "In all directions" would also include back the way they came, and into territory(for lack of a better term) that has already been gone over by other entities. That overlap would extend the timescale . Slightly, maybe, but on the scale we're talking about? Slightly can be measured in large numbers of millenia.
 
....Guys... ...and gals... ...seriously. As fascinating and amusing as I find these derails about temperature or multiverse level extinction, it also cannot be avoided that these are derails, just as the conversation about Coil's power was. Please, if you're going to derail the thread, restrain yourselves and keep it a short derailment. Thank you!
 
Are you also taking into account the overlap? "In all directions" would also include back the way they came, and into territory(for lack of a better term) that has already been gone over by other entities. That overlap would extend the timescale . Slightly, maybe, but on the scale we're talking about? Slightly can be measured in large numbers of millenia.
That's a large part of the justification for there possibly being only two new hits each time. They're not going to deliberately point back into somewhere they know is dead, so at worst, new Entities are evenly distributed forwards and backwards (if they can't aim well enough to avoid sending some in known-useless directions).
 
....Guys... ...and gals... ...seriously. As fascinating and amusing as I find these derails about temperature or multiverse level extinction, it also cannot be avoided that these are derails, just as the conversation about Coil's power was. Please, if you're going to derail the thread, restrain yourselves and keep it a short derailment. Thank you!
From 0°K to ~3°K, Coil's power works via quantum superposition within a Bose-Einstein condensate.

From ~4°K to 200°K, Coil's power works via precognition.

From 201°K to 500°K, Coil's power uses a scratch-pad planetary surface -- similar to how Labyrinth's power works, except limited to one scratch-pad planet.

Above 500°K, Coil's power doesn't work.
 
Wrong reread the interlude again. the entities went into a feeding frenzy, then used the destruction of their home world to propel a bunch of newborn Entities out into the universe in search of a solution to their unchecked population growth stripping their home world of it's capability to sustain life.
As I said, single origin point.

The same interlude then multiple times describes Scion's line destroying the current planet to send a bunch of offspring out into the universe. It even mentions that the decedents of the original two entities that eventually lead to Scion bump into each other on occasion, and when they do they share any new memories that have been gained.
Yes, and? How does that contradict what I said? What I said is that they AVERAGE far less than doubling per cycle. There's nothing in that that contradicts them having an average growth rate of 1.01 per cycle

This means that it's not a pair of entities arriving on one world, then moving on to another one when finished. It means that for each world an entity in Scion's line visits, a new generation of newborn entities gets flung "in all directions", each one with every memory intact of the entire line that lead up to it. How many? Unknown since it's not mentioned. BUt if you assume only 2 sent out from each world find another habitable world, that's still a horrific population growth.
Did you read what I wrote? Yes they send off a lot of entities in every direction (at least during the first cycles, but they were sent out with no control over where they go so there's no telling how many of them actually found a planet. You're assuming they have an average growth rate of 2 or more per cycle, but there's no reason to believe that, especially not in the earlier cycles when they were far weaker than the ones we see.

FIrst cycle: 1 entity (the two that landed on that first world merged before blowing it up). Two entities find a new world, both spawn a pair of children that will find someplace else to experiment on. Now four have found new worlds. Then sixteen. Then 32. Then 64. Then 128.
That's the your assumption, which has no evidence. It can also be:
First cycle: as you stated but launch a dozen pairs of entities
Second cycle: Three of the pairs of entities find planets
Third cycle: 36 entities are launched, 5 find planets but one had a sufficiently advanced civilization they killed and another had a less successful cycle launching only 3 new entities.
Fourth cycle: 39 entities are launched 7 find planets, but two end on the same planet, one makes a mistake and ends up not launching any new entities, one diverges to a different path and are no longer relevant. the 5 sets of entities have somewhat less than usual success and end up launching 20entities total
Etc... If you start with a lower number than 12 for an optimal cycle you can get even lower growth rate with less contrived scenarios than I had, but I trust that illustrates my point.
 
This is so, so, SO great. I love Simmie, and I love how this is all portrayed. The super Illuminati must be flippin out. All of the Paths are disrupted. All of them!
 
For the Entitypocalypse... Maybe there are simply bigger fish in the universe, and the Cosmic Worms are being eaten by Cosmic Birds that don't bother with planets at all?
 
So That One Guy Was Right After All...
Okay, after all this time, I have bad news. I have come to a realization when it comes to Seraph, and that is this: I never had a story here. I had a cool concept, with some cool ideas for cool scenes, cool character development, a cool theme, and so on, but I never had a story to tell that tied it all together. Even more than a year and a half after my last update, I still don't. Not for lack of effort, but due to slowly waning interest and just me not having any idea how to handle what on Earth the Simurgh would come up with to fix the whole Scion problem. At least, not without basically retreading a fair amount of canon with a fresh coat of paint, which would be both really boring and very pathetic compared to what she should be able to come up with having these new options available. Which is made even more difficult considering the wrinkles Taylor would inevitably put in that plan, and Ziz's developing semi-humanity. So, it turns out that one reviewer I chewed out was right after all, I won't ever finish Seraph. As a result, I suppose it's time I use a final note to put this thread to permanent rest, so people are no longer waiting around for an update that'll never come, and move on to something else.

So, something else is indeed coming. Three something else's, in fact. Three somethings where I actually have a story to tell, as well as all those other things. Though the titles are not set in stone, and it'll probably still be a few weeks before I start uploading one of them (or more than one), here are some quick summaries as teasers to help give you something to look forward to on FanFiction.net, Spacebattles, and Sufficient Velocity!


Skittering Roses:

Knowing that the Silver Eyes are passed down through bloodlines, Salem tries to hunt down any descendants of Summer's after killing her. In the aftermath of an attack on Patch by Salem's agents, Ozpin gets Tai's permission to take Ruby somewhere safe from Salem. Ozpin uses a combination of Relics and magic to send Ruby away… far away. Now, she grows up with only a few memories of her true family, with only a goodbye letter, some photographs, and some aura textbooks to remind her of them and her homeworld.

Oh, and Taylor Hebert suddenly gains a new adoptive sister.

Skittering Roses is pretty well planned out, and I've had a pretty consistent level of inspiration for wanting to work on it for years now, so as long as I can discipline myself to actually begin writing consistently, this should be about to come out fairly quickly.


A Tale of Vermin and Woodlanders:

I'll admit, this has less of a direct summary, simply because there's too much to summarize. This was my first really huge fanfiction project idea, and I spent several years fleshing it out in my mind, before more or less giving up on it. Except that, I then realized my problem with Seraph was that I didn't have an actual story for it, and for this, I most certainly did. So my passion for this long forgotten project was reignited, because I realized it was one of the few stories I had come up with that was actually a story, rather than just a collection of cool ideas messily thrown together without any glue to make them stick.

If you're familiar with the "Redwall" series by Brian Jacques, it's basically my conception of the events that unfold that bring the world of Redwall from one Age or Era of that world, the one described in the books, to the next. In some ways, it's similar to the grand epic another fanfiction writer, Highwing, created in his "The Crimson Badger" saga, which is an excellent read on its own merits, probably whether you're familiar with the original books or not.

This story is probably the most well planned of all of them in this list, the one thing I'm having a bit of trouble with is coming up with the best way to relate the events that happen. The issue is, while there is certainly a main character and a main plotline and such, the main character's story only really begins at the culmination, the climax, of the transition from one Age of the world to the next, on a historical scale. There are major events worthy of stories in and of themselves that happen anywhere from one to many generations earlier, which lay the groundwork and foundation for what happens in the main thrust of the Saga. I'm not really sure how to handle that, so while my interest in doing this story has been reignited, I'm not sure exactly when I'll be able to start posting a draft I'm happy with being seen in public.


Shalom:

Compared to the other two stories I've teased, which have been in the planning stages for about two years and about ten years respectively, Shalom is barely even in its infancy. Just a couple days ago, I saw a comment in the hilarious "THUS SAITH THE LORD (Biblical Plagues Altpower)" thread on Spacebattles, saying (in part) "I need more Bible crossovers." I read that comment, thought nothing of it, and moved on.

Then, several hours later, it struck me: "Wait a minute, this reader wants more crossovers between Worm and the Bible? …I can provide that. …I can definitely provide that!"

Since then, ideas for such a story have been flooding into my head. So, I'm going to write it.

Now, quick disclaimer, I already know I'm going to be making changes to Worm to make it fit with the Bible, and vice-versa, and what those changes generally are, so be prepared for that. I also am going to be playing it straight, rather than as a crack-fic. In addition, given that one of the things being crossed over is perhaps the world's most famous religious text, there's inevitably going to be a lot of religious connotations and implications going on in this story. I'll handle it as tastefully and… non-preachy as I possibly can, given how the story will unfold, but it will be there. If you're not okay with that, then this story isn't for you, and there's nothing I can do about that.


In any case, perhaps it's just the freshness of a new idea, but Shalom is the story that I'm actually the most excited about at the moment, so it's probably the first one that will be posted, with Skittering Roses joining it in the rotation relatively soon, and A Tale of Vermin and Woodlanders showing up at… some point… probably. I'd say certainly, but we in this thread know how I've been at keeping promises about "Yes X will certainly come out and around Y time!" Not very good. All I can say is what I just described is my plan at the moment, and I fully intend to stick to it, but obviously, life happens, and I can't guarantee that my plan won't change.

I will be leaving up Seraph on all platforms so that other writers and readers can continue to enjoy and be inspired by what little of it exists. Have a wonderful day everyone!
 
It's sucks that seraph will never be finished, but I'm glad you said that instead of leaving it unsaid on whether it would ever be continued.
 
Hmmm, it would have been interesting if the Simurgh had a plan for dealing with Zion, but as she gained humanity she found herself struggling to complete the needed steps for moral/emotional reasons. Ultimately ending up with Taylor doing them for her, saving the world, and being hated for it by the public at large.

Then there would be the option to end the story there, or follow them trying to survive an increasingly hostile world.
 
Hmmm, it would have been interesting if the Simurgh had a plan for dealing with Zion, but as she gained humanity she found herself struggling to complete the needed steps for moral/emotional reasons. Ultimately ending up with Taylor doing them for her, saving the world, and being hated for it by the public at large.

Then there would be the option to end the story there, or follow them trying to survive an increasingly hostile world.

Yeah, that sort of thing was going to be one of the thematic struggles for the Simurgh, but again, coming up with a plan worthy of her that wasn't just Worm's plot in large part, proved to be unobtainable for me, at least for this concept. It's like, I looked past the PRT figuring out how the handle the Taylor and Ziz situation and setting that up; and only saw a foggy, blind void of mysterious nothingness beyond that point, except for a very clear idea of what I wanted to happen for Canberra. And no matter how long I stared into that foggy void, it never became more clear.
 
Thanks for letting us know your plans, and good luck with everything.

I've been enjoying several of the recent RWBY crossovers, so I am especially looking forward to getting your take on things when Skittering Roses arrives.
 
It's like, I looked past the PRT figuring out how the handle the Taylor and Ziz situation and setting that up; and only saw a foggy, blind void of mysterious nothingness beyond that point, except for a very clear idea of what I wanted to happen for Canberra.

Well you could have her setting up Flechette with Parian in a setup where they unoffically adopt some pre-teen. The kicker being that to trigger the kid she'd have to gruesomely kill off the parents, along with all the kid's friends.

Might involve something like the S9 would do. It depends, it'd be a cheap trick for Ziz to hesistate to kill kids, but not every story has to be deep or complex.

So her plan would be to create an unstable cape, who would accidentally Zion at some point.
 
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