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We want as much tech and sabotage as possible before attacking. Also we don't mind waiting for them to come to us.
Saving a Nation, By Any Means Necessary (Modern/Sci-Fi meets Fantasy CK2)
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I thought about it, but felt that we had things we needed to do before that, so delayed one more turn.
Well, on the central front it's not so bad, but the southern front is collapsing fast, and that would be bad if they are able to combine with the central front. I think we can wait one more month, but no more than that.
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We should probably send most of the saboteurs south to destroy supplies. All we can do is slow them down there.
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Well is it as last mini-turn? We have to spend money to do more action? We are almost whit no money! Next turn for sure!
Of course there will be benefits. Most chiefly among them is to reduce the amount of damage that the invading Xelmians would do to the regions they are invading in by killing a lot of their forces before they could inflict further damage...
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If more damage is done near by then we have more chance to get our influence out there when all the rebuilding is happening
To be completely honest, if you want to spread your influence that way, there is nothing stopping you from doing it. No strategy is too ruthless for this quest (except where prohibited by the mods of this forum).
After all, you all did re-develop poison gas for intended future use...
EDIT: Although it is worth reminding you that all of your actions have consequences, so if you do intend to pursue that strategy, then you are implicitly accepting all consequences, both good and bad.
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Yeah, yeah less trade and people to hire from, probably destruction of possible allies. I doubt there will many bad impressions, we're still too small to do much more than we have
Well, I don't think we should pursue that ruthless of a strategy. But there are good reasons to wait another turn to continue improving our forces before battle.
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Once again we are small, no one will blame us for waiting to join the main fight, unless we slaughter everything in front of us, then people will complain why we didn't come sooner.
And I'm not doing a ruthless plan. I say we help after the fighting is done and in the parts worst damaged. We just have an added benefit that our aid will create extra good will for help in a hard time and we should take advantage of it to help us get more established. After all the title of the quest says any mean necessary
FullNothingness
Mostly DHMO.
Yeah... I think I'm going to write up a plan that includes starting to fight. There is no guarantee we can win in one turn so if we keep putting it off we could easily end up isolated and cut off. Also the longer we give the Xelmians to ravage the countryside the more problems we are likely to have later.
@dnzrx Just to check. If we attack will our allies back us up?
@dnzrx Just to check. If we attack will our allies back us up?
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FullNothingness
Mostly DHMO.
[X] Plan The only good Xelmian is a dead Xelmian
-[X] Combat Action – Xelmian Invasion (Free Action)
-[X] The Age of Gunpowder
--[X] M4 Carbine Rifles (Cost: 7)
---[X] Use a kit to reduce cost to 1 and boost chances of success to 95%
---[X] (1) Basic Foundation Archers
-[X] Strategy Planning Sessions
--[X] Georgia Bonus (+26)
-[X] Your Sought After Relations – The Royalty of Leofarinia
--[X] Joan Bonus (+14)
-[X] Improving that Factory
--[X] Firearms Machine Shop (+3 Income, Decreased costs and upkeep with actions and assets involving firearms)
---[X] Sunnia Bonus (+17)
-[X]Business Expansion
--[X] Battlefield Salvage Shop
-[X] Renting Out Property (Abandoned Mine with Mining and Smelting operations)
-[X] Renting Out Property (Fortified Mining Camp)
-[X] Spy Action – Xelma (Cost 8, 1 Tier-2 Intrigue group)
--[X] Current Military Plans and Troop Movements
--[X] Agents assigned Spy Action: (1) Tricksters, (1) Veteran Agents, (1) Basic Agents
-[X] Sabotage Action – Xelma's Invasion (Free Action)
--[X] Agents assigned Sabotage Action: (1) Red Knives Bunny-Assassins, Stiletto, (1) Sniper Agents, (1) Veteran Agents, (3) Basic Agents
-[X] Counter-Intelligence Actions (free action)
--[X] Agents assigned Counter Intelligence: (1) Tricksters, (2) Veteran Agents, (2) Basic Agents
-[X] Leofarinian Army Request - Military Research
--[X] Better Ranged Weapon Designs
-[X] Leofarinian Army Request - Military Research
--[X] Better Armor Designs
-[X] Heavenly Summoning Halls
-[X] Movie Nights!
(0+1+3)+(0)+(10+5+0+0)+(8+0+0)+(5+5)+(10)+(0)= 47 wealth
Okay. This plan aims for two main goals:
-Starting to fight before we have a disaster and doing so competently and with as many of our troops available as possible.
-Make sure we actually have funding to select useful options during the miniturn.
With the secondary goal of leaving ourselves in a position to keep improving our situation.
So in martial I picked using one of our gun kits to upgrade a unit. It is cheap but should give us a fairly powerful unit. I'm also doing planning sessions since going into combat without a good plan is kinda horrible. Also obviously we are going fighting.
Diplomacy has us talking with royalty since that seems kinda critical. I'm even adding our bonus even if it isn't Joan's best field it makes sense IC and establishing a good personal relationship here might be very useful in the future.
Stewardship does the renting out bit since that gets us income without being bogged down. We are also upgrading the factory so that future gun upgrades are both cheaper and more effective. This helps us to keep progressing our advantages and in a plan like this where we aren't going to immediately start systematic upgrades we'll save money. Also upgrading a business because that is cheap and cost effective.
Spy on enemy plans for bonuses for the coming fight. Deploy most of our agents to be ready for sabotage actions to maximize our chances also. but do keep back a couple of agents to guard our base.
In learning I'm doubling up on army requests because those give return on investment now leaving us with more cash. And it isn't like most of our troops aren't still using regular gear.
Piety gets us the summoning halls since there isn't all that much else useful to do there and being able to summon more replacements may become important.
And in personal I figure we should try to raise morale a bit since we are going to have things get messy soon.
Thoughts or mistakes?
-[X] Combat Action – Xelmian Invasion (Free Action)
-[X] The Age of Gunpowder
--[X] M4 Carbine Rifles (Cost: 7)
---[X] Use a kit to reduce cost to 1 and boost chances of success to 95%
---[X] (1) Basic Foundation Archers
-[X] Strategy Planning Sessions
--[X] Georgia Bonus (+26)
-[X] Your Sought After Relations – The Royalty of Leofarinia
--[X] Joan Bonus (+14)
-[X] Improving that Factory
--[X] Firearms Machine Shop (+3 Income, Decreased costs and upkeep with actions and assets involving firearms)
---[X] Sunnia Bonus (+17)
-[X]Business Expansion
--[X] Battlefield Salvage Shop
-[X] Renting Out Property (Abandoned Mine with Mining and Smelting operations)
-[X] Renting Out Property (Fortified Mining Camp)
-[X] Spy Action – Xelma (Cost 8, 1 Tier-2 Intrigue group)
--[X] Current Military Plans and Troop Movements
--[X] Agents assigned Spy Action: (1) Tricksters, (1) Veteran Agents, (1) Basic Agents
-[X] Sabotage Action – Xelma's Invasion (Free Action)
--[X] Agents assigned Sabotage Action: (1) Red Knives Bunny-Assassins, Stiletto, (1) Sniper Agents, (1) Veteran Agents, (3) Basic Agents
-[X] Counter-Intelligence Actions (free action)
--[X] Agents assigned Counter Intelligence: (1) Tricksters, (2) Veteran Agents, (2) Basic Agents
-[X] Leofarinian Army Request - Military Research
--[X] Better Ranged Weapon Designs
-[X] Leofarinian Army Request - Military Research
--[X] Better Armor Designs
-[X] Heavenly Summoning Halls
-[X] Movie Nights!
(0+1+3)+(0)+(10+5+0+0)+(8+0+0)+(5+5)+(10)+(0)= 47 wealth
Okay. This plan aims for two main goals:
-Starting to fight before we have a disaster and doing so competently and with as many of our troops available as possible.
-Make sure we actually have funding to select useful options during the miniturn.
With the secondary goal of leaving ourselves in a position to keep improving our situation.
So in martial I picked using one of our gun kits to upgrade a unit. It is cheap but should give us a fairly powerful unit. I'm also doing planning sessions since going into combat without a good plan is kinda horrible. Also obviously we are going fighting.
Diplomacy has us talking with royalty since that seems kinda critical. I'm even adding our bonus even if it isn't Joan's best field it makes sense IC and establishing a good personal relationship here might be very useful in the future.
Stewardship does the renting out bit since that gets us income without being bogged down. We are also upgrading the factory so that future gun upgrades are both cheaper and more effective. This helps us to keep progressing our advantages and in a plan like this where we aren't going to immediately start systematic upgrades we'll save money. Also upgrading a business because that is cheap and cost effective.
Spy on enemy plans for bonuses for the coming fight. Deploy most of our agents to be ready for sabotage actions to maximize our chances also. but do keep back a couple of agents to guard our base.
In learning I'm doubling up on army requests because those give return on investment now leaving us with more cash. And it isn't like most of our troops aren't still using regular gear.
Piety gets us the summoning halls since there isn't all that much else useful to do there and being able to summon more replacements may become important.
And in personal I figure we should try to raise morale a bit since we are going to have things get messy soon.
Thoughts or mistakes?
FullNothingness
Mostly DHMO.
Well there are a two main reasons IMO. Firstly it spreads out our value leaving us less vulnerable to losing a single unit. Secondly our more elite units are likely elite because they are good at fighting the way they do. That probably doesn't transfer to a new way to fight entirely. We'd be wasting a good part of their previous experience.
For example take our assassins they probably have a lot of experience sneaking in close to people and knifing them. We could have given them the sniper rifles but then they wouldn't really be sneaking close anymore. A good part of that skillset would have lost value. We'd be transforming the unit more than upgrading it in a lot of ways.
Though if our advisors think we should choose otherwise I'd like to hear their arguments.
Their arguments in favor of arming up the elites are a bit all over the place and quite a few of them are kind-of selfish in their own way. You managed to boil it all down to a few distant general categories however:
1.) "The elite warriors of our group have the most battlefield experience and knows how to destroy the enemy efficiently; arm them and see how well they can terrorize the enemy!" (Fair reason, although a bit on-the-nose elitist in your opinion)
2.) "The elite warriors need to have the best equipment, otherwise their effectiveness might be lessened in the face of the changing tide of the battlefield." (Fair concern, since firearms can kill far better than a sword in many situations and can render the average or elite swordsman obsolete. Just ask Indiana Jones. Although this reason seemed to be a bit elitist as well.)
3.) "We want to play with the new toys!" (The most selfish reason that you hear regarding the issue and unfortunately, one of the most common ones as well. Justified, since firing the firearms tend to induce a feeling of overwhelming strength, confidence, bravado, awe, and nigh-organismic ecstasy in its users, especially to the Bunnies. Fortunately, Georgia was very effective in making sure such feelings were stamped out so they wouldn't compromise your troops effectiveness on the battlefield.)
FullNothingness
Mostly DHMO.
Yeah, this was the main counter consideration with regards to arming lower tier units first. A experienced unit probably will tend to have more general experience and discipline that will remain valuable even after conversion.
An argument for arming them with guns sure but less of an argument for arming them first.
... Fun and games will have to wait a bit.
Hmm... While I get the idea behind this we may need to remember that this is not Earth. The range of potential threats and counters may be broader. Guns may prove ineffective against certain kinds of enemies or certain abilities.
Suppose there are some kind undead creatures that need to be ripped to bits to destroy them. Guns could very well not be the best choice to fight such creatures. And while obviously explosives could do the job those aren't what you arm general troops with. And against an enemy like that big axe may be better than a gun.
Another problem could be magic. If our enemies notice we are exclusively using guns but figure out some spell to counter them we could be in big trouble. Some kind of bullet ward or something would leave our army scrambling for a solution.
Long story short, there may be value in maintaining some diversity here. Certainly use guns as a substantial part of our strategy but we may want to keep other options open.