RUST: A Setting and a Thesis

And so the global economy just... Runs out of steam. Probably the most realistic assessment of the future, despite my best hopes.

Oh BTW I noticed that this update and I think a previous update haven't actually been thread marked
 
I'm pretty surprised that the US actually went ahead and annexed Canada and Greenland. I always figured that it would be something that would be forgotten in a few months as other issues pop up.

And just to be sure, did Israel lob a nuke at Dublin the end of the Third Temple War? I assume it was for extremely petty or delusional reasons
 
Unless there were some radical changes that introduced a spine to the Irish body politic, there's no way we'd ever have gone sufficiently to the mat for Palestine to provide a military justification for nuking Dublin; and there's a much larger list of more symbolic targets for petty spite (Amman, Aswan, Mecca, Madrid, Berlin, Warsaw, Moscow etc)
 
Maybe they were just having a diplomatic spat with Ireland at the time and decided to go full hog? Or one of the people selecting targets just hated Ireland. Atomic bomb targets have been chosen or removed from the list for stranger reasons.
 
Again, technology is not destroyed, the ability to use it is reduced because of complexity collapsing backwards. Technologies people find really useful are more likely to stay around.
Yes, this is what I'm thinking in collapse or decline scenarios. Everyone knows what a car or a supercomputer is but most don't know how it's made, how to repair and maintain, where to manufacture each part and the resources needed for ir etc. There's also the maintenance of roads and such. Complexity requires division of labor and knowledge, after all.

There will still be planes but small ones and probably powered by biofuel, and used only for small distances.
 
I mean, the thing is that isn't there the issue that most coal, iron, copper etc deposits, even gold, that could be reached without the use of post 1900 technology are kind of exhausted?

The forests will, eventually, grow back and agriculture will perhaps recover over the course of centuries both from the mass desertification and the genetic bottlenecks the agricultural revolution forced crops and livestock into; but without the ability to maintain a level of civilization on par with 1800, let alone 1900; is going to degrade and degrade.
 
Well peopl
I'm pretty surprised that the US actually went ahead and annexed Canada and Greenland. I always figured that it would be something that would be forgotten in a few months as other issues pop up.
Legitimate climate change related strategic reasons + sheer ideological pettiness.
Unless there were some radical changes that introduced a spine to the Irish body politic, there's no way we'd ever have gone sufficiently to the mat for Palestine to provide a military justification for nuking Dublin; and there's a much larger list of more symbolic targets for petty spite (Amman, Aswan, Mecca, Madrid, Berlin, Warsaw, Moscow etc)
No one knows which Israeli military commander nuked Dublin or why.

I mean, the thing is that isn't there the issue that most coal, iron, copper etc deposits, even gold, that could be reached without the use of post 1900 technology are kind of exhausted?

The forests will, eventually, grow back and agriculture will perhaps recover over the course of centuries both from the mass desertification and the genetic bottlenecks the agricultural revolution forced crops and livestock into; but without the ability to maintain a level of civilization on par with 1800, let alone 1900; is going to degrade and degrade.
I mean on one hand many resources are depleted but on the other post-collapse societies have access to technics that pre-industrial societies did not. For instance Franklin stoves, superior crops and livestock, modern composting science, passive heating, short wave radios, a greater variety of crops, ecological knowledge, generators hooked up to windmills and dams, ect.
 
Plus, with regards to stuff like iron, copper, and gold, most of that stuff doesn't just vanish once it's out of the ground and in a product. People regularly strip copper from old buildings. I don't see why in the future, they can't take copper wiring and make stuff out of it. Might release nasty fumes but a lot of professions are health hazards.
 
So are you just completely "nothing ever happens"-pilled now

Feel like you might be slightly overcorrecting over your horror at people using And Our Flag Was Not There to fantasize about violence against their "political rivals" (i.e. the fascists who are actively killing us) by channeling The Deserter from Disco Elysium
 
"Things happen slowly" doesn't equal "nothing ever happens" I think the position theres an imminent sectarian conflict in America is the position that would need to be defended.
 
"Things happen slowly" doesn't equal "nothing ever happens" I think the position theres an imminent sectarian conflict in America is the position that would need to be defended.
I'm not saying it's *imminent* but this summary reads as if the current attitude of apathy and defeatism would last amid extremely disruptive changes to the political economy of the US, with the result being neither caesarism or revolution but instead more of the same partisan horse-trading. I mean, the whole voting as a release valve for revolutionary sentiment thing only works if you don't have the party that is actively, zealously working to make it impossible for anyone but them to get elected in power for decades. My understanding is AOC barely manages to scrape by a win after 8 years of Republicans stacking the system against her and most likely her own party sabotaging her Corbyn-style (yes I know she's a careerist slime, but this is America we're talking about), so it isn't enough to get over the institutional inertia preventing anything from actually changing, and people end up blaming her for this and elect a literal self-identifying Nazi instead, but this...also doesn't result in an end to the two-party system? Don't get me wrong, I know the Democrats are happy to collaborate with fascism, it's just that I don't think the current breed of fascists in the GOP would be willing to cede even the tiniest bit of ground to a softer-voiced version of themselves for long enough to exhaust their opposition - they've fallen for their own propaganda too hard and think anything but full-throated support for all of white America's worst impulses is tantamount to Judeo-Bolshevism. And how do they go from having an unambiguous Hitlerite in the highest office then back to "model minorities are fine tho lol"? Ceding ground after it is gained is anathema to the entire ethos of the MAGA movement if not the entire Republican Party since Nixon.
 
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I watch Sid Smith's How to Enjoy the End of the World lecture and it is fascinating and some of the points here reminds me of this.

I really think the collapse of the modern industrial age will be slow for some and fast for others. Dominoes and Causality are the effects of a globalized interconnected world.
 
I'm pretty sure I said "Fuentes" I was not thinking about Nick Fuentes the minor streamer who will be forgotten about five years from now. Fuentes is a common last name.
Apologies, he was the person who I thought you were talking about. So you believe the GOP will moderate after Trump/Vance? I could maybe see it as a situation of a ton of centrist Dems joining them in the wake of AOC, although I'm still skeptical.
 
The Fall Of: The United States of America. Pt. 3: Behold The Gates of Heaven Opened. New
The Fall Of: The United States of America. Pt. 3: Behold The Gates of Heaven Opened.


The First Flood was among the deadliest single catastrophes in human history. Within a span of a few years global sea levels rose over 75 centimeters globally and even when the pace of the rise slowed it remained above pre-flood levels. Incalculable damage was done to the ecology and human civilization.

The trigger of the flood was muddled by conflicting reports and attempts at ideological invectives over the next few decades but modern historians believe the few surviving early reports in a small number of remaining scientific magazines published in paper form were accurate. A glacier called the Thwaites Glacier in Antarctica underwent a rather sudden and catastrophic collapse after decades of gradual erosion in late-2057 leading into 2058. The exact mechanism of the violence of the collapse is unknown. What is known is that over a few months an area of ice the size of Florida slid into the size, not only the Thwaites Glacier, but several large nearby areas. Exacerbating matters was the increasing pace of the melt in the glaciers of southern Greenland over the previous decade which was already accelerating sea level rise.

The Oceans have a great deal of thermal inertia but the upward surge was still dramatic as its effects rippled across the planet. Storm surges destroyed the defenses of cities like New Orleans, Miami, London, Amsterdam, Shanghai, Karachi, Alexandria, Lagos, and more over the Summer of 2058. Within two years sea level had risen an average of 65 centimeters.

Catastrophic economic collapse hit the United States with millions of refugees fleeing areas like Florida, New Jersey, Louisiana, North Carolina, Delaware, ect. Millions more were displaced by waves of economic collapse across the Sun Belt, where much of America's industry was relocated in the previous century. The economies of the Rust Belt could not handle the surge as refugees moved to more climatically stable regions like the eastern Great Plains, the Upper South, the Great Lakes, inland New England, and the Pacific Northwest. Ethnic tensions soared in some areas, mainly between the climate refugees that had arrived in the previous three decades and other newer waves of immigrants, and the descendants of the older waves of migration.

There was an apocalyptic mood in the air. In the definitive text on the Romantic Revolution Lionel the Patient recalls in the Cormacite, "everything was thrown into confusion as God almighty sent his deluge upon us No one knew truth from lies and rumor It was said a cat gave birth to a litter of snakes in Vermont It was said stinking meats fell from the sky in Detroit It was said bees stung hundreds in Las Angeles and killed each of them instantly while women were unharmed It was said deer were seen in the woods with four eyes on their heads up and down It was said beasts were spotted in the woods and wanderers disappeared torn apart and left scattered It was said computers displayed images that killed viewers instantly," it is then no surprise religion surged across the lands.

Any man could propose a solution to the nation's woes and gain a following. Canadian resistance flourished, as did resistance in Baja as Mexico launched a counteroffensive against the Americans. Cults abounded. Men went mad, going on sprees of meaningless slaughter in public. Food prices rose, riots broke out in cities like rashes, cholera raged in Missouri, cultists declaring reality itself would soon dissolve and create a paradise in which all would be reborn with perfect forms of their own choosing, killed hundreds by destroying a dam in Arkansas. The regime responded with massive crackdowns that were increasingly random.

Key components of the Romantic Revolution and our current American Civilization began to emerge at this time. Like seeds in some of the refugee slums, people grew gardens from beaten earth, engaging in mixed-cropping and advanced composting. Where and how these skills spread is not exactly known. Democratic self-management emerged among some refugees, or rather reemerged. These organized democratically self-managed camps were outnumbered by slums in total chaos or dominated by gangs, but they were more resilient to attacks from the regime. Fertile compost was cultivated for change but some force needed to throw seeds on the black soil.

That force was Francisco Olivera Magnon.

His name is now legend, with cultures across the continent having turned Magnon into a mythic being who will return at a time of great trouble and restore an age of peace. Legends exist of Magnon healing with his touch, slaying dogmen with a pair of blessed silver pistols, hiding great treasures, banishing devils, and more. But Magnon was a man. A man who stood up in 2059 before the 2060 election and gave the first real challenge to the oligarch control of the two major factions in politics in nearly a hundred years.

Magnon was a veteran of the failed Angola War, captured by Angolan special forces in Cabinda in a failed raid. Magnon went on to become a famous bare-knuckles boxer and created audio entertainment. His swing to the political was sudden and violent, launching a campaign demanding reform, one particular reform most of all, a total debt jubilee for the American people. Magnon had hit a live wire, in the deracinated American economy one of the few sources of value for capitalists was debt, trading debt, owning debt, speculating on debt, while Americans were hopelessly indebted just to survive. A form of corporate indentured servitude to punish debtors was spreading across the country, hitting natives and immigrants alike and enslaving them on land bought up by massive corporations to seize the food market.

The regime immediately launched a war against Magnon, slandering him and having the media declare him every possible insult, even contradictory slanders. Magnon was called a Chinese stooge, a communist, a fascist, a nazi, an anti-Semite, a buffoon, a scam artist, a Mexican agent, anything to drive even a few people from him. Magnon's message was simple however, and like fire it spread to a hopeless people and his political campaign was funded by the ordinary workers across the country in defiance against the regime in DC. Magnon was blocked from the increasingly fragmentary internet and TV but took to a public speaking tour across the nation and to the radio and print. His movement was grassroots, but it was diffuse and many groups and characters attached themselves to such a large movement merely hoping to catch crumbs in their mouths. Magnon grew a legend as he survived multiple assassination attempts. What polls that were collected showed him surging ahead of the 2060 election.

The election came and state after state refused to collect votes for Magnon, only New Mexico did and in that state he won. Riots ripped across the country spurred by Magnon himself who spoke of leading a march on DC and watering the Tree of Liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants. There was only one solution for the desperate regime.

Magnon was killed by a tactical bomber, along with dozens or hundreds (according to the accounts one uses) of rally goers in St. Louis in a show of force.

The Romantic Revolution had begun.
 
I really like how you don't have the seas go crazy high, but you also understand that even a few dozen centimeters of SLR within a short time span could prove catastrophic. I think a lot of people don't realize that even half a meter of SLR could lead to the shoreline being pushed back by miles--that's partially why the Mississippi Delta has lost so much in the past few decades!

And I don't know if this was intentional, but this story is giving me somewhat similar vibes to The Deluge by Stephen Markley--that's a good thing btw.
 
His name is now legend, with cultures across the continent having turned Magnon into a mythic being who will return at a time of great trouble and restore an age of peace. Legends exist of Magnon healing with his touch, slaying dogmen with a pair of blessed silver pistols, hiding great treasures, banishing devils, and more.

Meh, I've done all those things at least once but nobody turned me mythical. :/
 
It's all about timing, my dear friend. You gotta do the cool shit while everything is falling apart; it'll make you stand out from the rabble.

Well, I suppose I'll wait to establish an Alpine commune founded on socialism, casual nudity, free love and, most importantly, gratuitous anime/manga and heavy metal references until Meloni-chan tries to emulate Elon and shit hits the fan, maybe posterity will remember me as a capitalism-smashing, katana-wielding Lemmy Kilmister. :p
 
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