Rocketeer [PKMN/Recettear/Rancher]
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wdango
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Yes. Dungeons are a mechanic you'll unlock later on.
Some Pokémon are capture-exclusive since they're not available on the market. But for the purposes of the ranch, any Pokémon trained from under a month old always has better stats and obedience.
But some PKMN with higher base stats require you to capture, then breed. Or buy from a catcher, which has a market that works on the concept of bounties, but likely more expensive than doing it yourself in exchange for saving you time -- potentially a lot of time, even.
Skewfiend
The Corruptor of All Things
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specifically, it pays for itself in about 280 days, or more depending on its upkeep. I forgot to add the fallow period to the payback period, but the other calculations all account for it.
You are absolutely correct in that miltank are not enough to solve our problem right now, but they still have a good enough turnaround that buying one next weekend would be profitable.
Also, one big expansion vector is going to be all that forest that is currently vacant and poke-infested.
gatewaewanderer
Wandering Fool
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- East Coast, USA
So both exist and are possible, but neither are 'beginner game' stuff, and since we're still at 'beginner game' level, it's just stuff to keep aware of for later. Good to know though. With that in mind, another potential thing for later - can we make refined products from our produce or Pokemon-derived items, or is that kind of thing only available to factories and such (like taking the Oran or Sitrus berries and making Potions?)
I hadn't considered that aspect. In theory, having Pokemon living on our land could mean any expansion could have delays (which mean expenses; you pay a work crew for a week, but have to delay due to animals living in the proposed building space, and then have to pay for next week too?, ) caused by having evict or catch Pokemon living where we're trying to expand.
wdango
Storyteller
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- Bali, Indonesia
You can but later.
But you'll probably be outsourcing most of the work to make things easier for me. That way I can streamline the mechanics and just keep an item database instead of forcing you to construct additional pylons etc.
gatewaewanderer
Wandering Fool
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- East Coast, USA
That clears some things up. Sounds like this game will operate a lot like a combination of Stardew Valley and Rune Factory, really.
[x] Buy 20 Sitrus trees. (₽10,000 each; Total: ₽200,000; 200-600 fruits per harvest; Each berry sells for ₽100.)
wdango
Storyteller
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- Bali, Indonesia
Haven't actually played those. I'll read some LPs soon as research hohoho.
gatewaewanderer
Wandering Fool
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- East Coast, USA
Rune Factory is a spin-off of the Harvest Moon (Farming video game if you're not familiar with it) series, with the caveat that you go into Dungeons, can craft weapons and armor and make food and all animals are monsters you can tame from the wild with some item producing monsters. There's 4 entries in the main RF game series (all Nintendo DS / 3DS) and 2 side entries (on the main video game consoles,) that are basically more of the same but no real impact on the main series storyline.
Stardew Valley is a PC game inspired by Harvest Moon and Rune Factory, where you play as a company worker (the cut-scene shows you in a large room of cubicles sitting at a computer desk mindlessly typing,) that quits his job and takes over his grandfather's farm. The game takes place in a fictional setting that's more or less an analogue to our modern day world but that does have fantasy elements to it, with dungeon in town available after the first week or so.
No real monster taming, though you do have the option of creating and raising slimes (using parts from enemy slimes,) but there's not much benefit to it. Standard farm stuff otherwise.
TL;DR - Stardew Valley focuses more on the actual farming with some monster fighting on the side. Rune Factory focuses more on the Dungeon exploring with farming on the side, somewhat; you can use crops to make food that heals you when fighting, and to pay for weapons and armor and the things needed to make them.
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Skewfiend
The Corruptor of All Things
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On evaluation, unless eggs are stupidly expensive for us to buy, and they breed like rabbits on blue pills, doduos are unlikely to be worthwile. Eggs would have to be bought at around a 40% markup on what we can sell them for (milk is 33%), and we would have to need to use every one for them to even get level with a miltank's profits on the first year, and even if that were the case, they would need to breed up around 4 other doduo each on later years to match a miltank's profits.
Even if eggs are the best shit, selling milk to buy eggs works out to be strictly better.
Unless there's something I'm missing, the only reason to buy a doduo, it looks like, is to race it (almost strictly worse than battling), or when you can't get a miltank.
Edit: belay that, actually. It's likely that mature trained doduo are likely to be worth much more than 30k, so breeding them might actually be pretty worthwhile.
We might also be able to get someone to do some of it for us, as we won't be ready for that for a while unless Inuyama is as awesome at battling as he is at negotiating.
Even if eggs are the best shit, selling milk to buy eggs works out to be strictly better.
Unless there's something I'm missing, the only reason to buy a doduo, it looks like, is to race it (almost strictly worse than battling), or when you can't get a miltank.
Edit: belay that, actually. It's likely that mature trained doduo are likely to be worth much more than 30k, so breeding them might actually be pretty worthwhile.
That or buildings that just passively add value to products produced of a certain type seem the most obvious ways of going about that.
I was more thinking of raising a team of mon including some cutters, and clearing it of trees and wild mon, possibly selling the former for lumber and firewood, and catching the latter.
We might also be able to get someone to do some of it for us, as we won't be ready for that for a while unless Inuyama is as awesome at battling as he is at negotiating.
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gatewaewanderer
Wandering Fool
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- East Coast, USA
Another possibility are Sheep-type Pokemon (the wool.) Plant-type Pokemon could potentially help with growing the crops. And... hmmm... Could we harvest mushrooms from a Paras / Parasect and similar Pokemon? And insect types that produce honey (the bee types,) and silk (the spider types.) Not sure what other potential producer Pokemon there could be.
Skewfiend
The Corruptor of All Things
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Milking venom from poison types may be a possibility, and fit in well with the name.
gatewaewanderer
Wandering Fool
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Hadn't considered that. Hmmm. Maybe bird Pokemon could give feathers for pillows and similar? Kinda niche, though. At least in theory there's also Pokemon with the Pickup ability being potentially good foragers.
wdango
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- Bali, Indonesia
Yes, yes, and yes.
No and maybe.
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- United States
[x] Buy 20 Sitrus trees. (₽10,000 each; Total: ₽200,000; 200-600 fruits per harvest; Each berry sells for ₽100.)
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Don't stress it. Get well soon.
1.5 - Y1201 M01 W2 (Actions)
wdango
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"I've put in the order for the Sitrus saplings," Bro says. "They should be arriving at the end of the week."
"I guess we have to prepare the clearing before then?"
He nods. "I won't be able to help you with the farm, but you know how to use the tools we found, right?"
"Uh-huh. Chop down the forest with the axe, till the soil with the hoe, plant the trees with the shovel, and water them with the watering can."
"Great. Unfortunately, the tools we have are pretty badly damaged... We should upgrade them sooner or later, but they should be enough for now."
"Say, don't most farmers just have some Pokémon help with the work?"
"Yep." Bro grins. "And we'll eventually do that, if you want, but there are things you have to consider too. Not only will there be the upkeep for you to worry about, but just like the ones we're training for competitive battling, farm Pokémon will only be useful for about half of their lifespan."
"I see..."
It's the 2nd Week of the Vernalequinox Month, 1201.
From here on, you will get a set amount of Actions every week. It is possible to increase Jean's number of Actions later on, as well as increase the number of options you can spend your Actions on. For now, Bro's extra Actions can only be wasted, but once you have more Pokémon, you'll have to more wisely choose where to spend your Actions.
You have 10 Actions.
[x] Chop down 5 trees in the forest. (10 Actions)
[x] Till the entire clearing into farmable soil. (10 Actions)
[x] Write-in.
Bro has 5 Actions.
[x] Train Casper. (2 Actions)
→ [x] Ukemi.
→ [x] Shadowboxing.
→ [x] Meditation.
"I guess we have to prepare the clearing before then?"
He nods. "I won't be able to help you with the farm, but you know how to use the tools we found, right?"
"Uh-huh. Chop down the forest with the axe, till the soil with the hoe, plant the trees with the shovel, and water them with the watering can."
"Great. Unfortunately, the tools we have are pretty badly damaged... We should upgrade them sooner or later, but they should be enough for now."
"Say, don't most farmers just have some Pokémon help with the work?"
"Yep." Bro grins. "And we'll eventually do that, if you want, but there are things you have to consider too. Not only will there be the upkeep for you to worry about, but just like the ones we're training for competitive battling, farm Pokémon will only be useful for about half of their lifespan."
"I see..."
It's the 2nd Week of the Vernalequinox Month, 1201.
From here on, you will get a set amount of Actions every week. It is possible to increase Jean's number of Actions later on, as well as increase the number of options you can spend your Actions on. For now, Bro's extra Actions can only be wasted, but once you have more Pokémon, you'll have to more wisely choose where to spend your Actions.
You have 10 Actions.
[x] Chop down 5 trees in the forest. (10 Actions)
[x] Till the entire clearing into farmable soil. (10 Actions)
[x] Write-in.
Bro has 5 Actions.
[x] Train Casper. (2 Actions)
→ [x] Ukemi.
→ [x] Shadowboxing.
→ [x] Meditation.
gatewaewanderer
Wandering Fool
- Location
- East Coast, USA
Hmmm. How many trees will equal 1 clearing / stall? If it's just 10 trees, we could till the clearing we've got and ready it for the berries, then chop the trees the turn after next, in prep for a new stall. Or we could double down on crops, building up enough cash for a nice cushion and buy that Miltank when we have enough money to meet the $2.4 mil due at the end of the year.
Really depends on fast people want the cow Pokemon. Too early, we might not make the payment, too late the Miltank might not be making milk until late into next year. I'd guess at least a month or two (maybe 3?) of 2 clearings of crops and we might be okay to buy that Miltank. Mind, I'm on my iPhone and can't check the math, but I'm hoping that's right.
Really depends on fast people want the cow Pokemon. Too early, we might not make the payment, too late the Miltank might not be making milk until late into next year. I'd guess at least a month or two (maybe 3?) of 2 clearings of crops and we might be okay to buy that Miltank. Mind, I'm on my iPhone and can't check the math, but I'm hoping that's right.
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We do have an informational for the ranch!
Anyway, I looked and it says we have 20 squares on the clearing, sufficient enough for all 20 saplings.
We should till the soil so that we can immediately plant the seeds when they arrive.
Since it takes 6 months of maturity for the Milktank, and we'd have to feed it the whole time, I'd rather delay that until we have our feet on the ground. Or until people can math this. Whichever.
I've no idea how the tournament in going to work on a written form though, so if it comes to it, I'd spend two actions equally between SPD and MAG.
[X] Till the entire clearing into farmable soil.
[X] Meditation.
[X] Ukemi.
Anyway, I looked and it says we have 20 squares on the clearing, sufficient enough for all 20 saplings.
We should till the soil so that we can immediately plant the seeds when they arrive.
Since it takes 6 months of maturity for the Milktank, and we'd have to feed it the whole time, I'd rather delay that until we have our feet on the ground. Or until people can math this. Whichever.
I've no idea how the tournament in going to work on a written form though, so if it comes to it, I'd spend two actions equally between SPD and MAG.
[X] Till the entire clearing into farmable soil.
[X] Meditation.
[X] Ukemi.
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Skewfiend
The Corruptor of All Things
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- The Darkness Behind Your Eyes
[X] Till the entire clearing into farmable soil.
[X] Meditation.
[X] Ukemi.
@wdango,
1) How long will it take for our seeds to arrive?
2) How often do crops need to be watered?
3) How long is our planting window for oran and sitrus to still get all their crops this year?
4) What tool, if any, is used to harvest fruits?
5) We dig out dead Sitrus in winter with a shovel, right?
6) Do we need to worry about pokemon that live among the trees violently objecting to their habitats being destroyed?
7) Could bro go order/buy more seeds or better tools with his last action?
8) Which stage(s) of the Sitrus were more action-intensive than the oran? Just the winter-clearing?
Right now, it takes us a full 10 actions to till or plant all of our space, and it will take us 4 actions per ??? To water it all.
It will also take us 6 actions to cut, till and plant two forest squares.
Honestly, the watering can is our most important tool, as it determines the ongoing AP cost of our crops.
If we can reasonably expand, we probably should. The ROIs on Sitrus are large enough to easily cover of our costs in so doing.
[X] Meditation.
[X] Ukemi.
@wdango,
1) How long will it take for our seeds to arrive?
2) How often do crops need to be watered?
3) How long is our planting window for oran and sitrus to still get all their crops this year?
4) What tool, if any, is used to harvest fruits?
5) We dig out dead Sitrus in winter with a shovel, right?
6) Do we need to worry about pokemon that live among the trees violently objecting to their habitats being destroyed?
7) Could bro go order/buy more seeds or better tools with his last action?
8) Which stage(s) of the Sitrus were more action-intensive than the oran? Just the winter-clearing?
Right now, it takes us a full 10 actions to till or plant all of our space, and it will take us 4 actions per ??? To water it all.
It will also take us 6 actions to cut, till and plant two forest squares.
Honestly, the watering can is our most important tool, as it determines the ongoing AP cost of our crops.
If we can reasonably expand, we probably should. The ROIs on Sitrus are large enough to easily cover of our costs in so doing.