Riding Acromantulas and Understanding Magical Biology (harry potter/worm)

he grew mature enough for Lily to marry him, and he sacrificed his life in the futile hope of giving LIly and Harry time to run away.
Getting married doesn't actually confer or indicate any virtues. Plenty of assholes have wives, after all. Similarly, neither does getting killed by Voldemort; it's not exactly a sacrifice when the person who has come specifically to murder you and your family... successfully murders you.

James presumably tried to fight back against Voldie, and apparently failed rather badly; we never hear 'and your dad killed like eleven death eaters before going down in a hail of spellfire' or anything similar, just that he got killed.

Regardless, even if he'd fought incredibly successfully and dueled Voldemort for hours before going down, it still doesn't indicate virtue- just that he'd rather he and his family not die. I guess that makes him not a complete sociopath, but even serial killers can love their families.

James... just didn't last long enough as an adult for us to know if he managed to become a good person. He was an asshole in school, to the point of attempted murder (aborting during the event still counts). He then graduated, married a girl, and inherited his wealth from his parents when they died when James was 18 or 19. James and Lily apparently lived off of inherited wealth, both then dying at the age of 21.

James was appointed 'head boy' at school, but... that's not indicative of much either, given the bizarre-world favoritism and general insanity that is Hogwarts. So was Percy, after all, and he's not particularly likeable even in most fanfic.

We do know that he decided to have himself a motorbike chase with two police officers just for funzies, and then when he and Sirius got attacked by DE's, he used the cop car as a weapon (no mention is given that he let the cops escape first). Deliberately endangering the cops and other bystanders for fun, and then uses the cops as a weapon. Not a good sign.

The wiki indicates that James stopped bullying Snape in order to get Lily to go out with him. I feel that if it takes the prospect of getting laid to get you to not actively try to murder people, then probably you're not a very good person. And the cop chase above? Happened after he got Lily to date him. I'm thinking he didn't change so much as just got better at hiding it from her.

Also, speaking of getting laid, bear in mind that Harry was born in July of 1980. That means that James fathered him in October of 1979, or, shortly after turning 19. Or, shortly after both his parents died and James inherited their money. The only way he could have been less ready to have a kid would've been if he'd knocked up Lily while they were both in school. No teenager is actually ready to have a kid.

So basically, he was a complete asshole in school. An asshole when he got out of school. And then went into hiding about two years after he got out of school. It would take a hell of a lot of good deed doing to turn that record around in 1978, before he went into hiding.

I wrote a thing about why James ain't that great, but I spoilered it because it's kind of a digression. He might've died a not completely evil person, but my general opinion is that we never actually saw him do anything good either.

Contrast that with, say, Amy; she'd be pretty peeved at the wizarding world's standards for heroism, when people started telling her about her supposedly-heroic supposed-father's antics. "Dude, my real family just all died to try to fight a city-destroying monster. They stepped up when shit went down. Your hero went into hiding from one purely ordinary murderer. Fuck your pussy heroes."
 
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Getting married doesn't actually confer or indicate any virtues. Plenty of assholes have wives, after all.
The point is that in the only time frame we know James was an asshole Lilly knew he was one and wouldn't have anything to do with him. Later on he supposedly grew up and convinced her he turned over a new leaf. While I'll grant that Sirius and Snape remained petty vindictive teenagers it seems that James and Remus had actually grown up, not just older.
 
The point is that in the only time frame we know James was an asshole Lilly knew he was one and wouldn't have anything to do with him. Later on he supposedly grew up and convinced her he turned over a new leaf. While I'll grant that Sirius and Snape remained petty vindictive teenagers it seems that James and Remus had actually grown up, not just older.
I suppose it might have been Lilly's hormones instead and her suddenly thinking with her uterus about how James is a hunk, petty bullying and immaturity suddenly not mattering, but from all we've seen of her (little as that was), it is rather unlikely.
 
While I tend to agree that James is no saint as depicted, there are a few points you noted that seem off.
He was an asshole in school, to the point of attempted murder (aborting during the event still counts).
That was explicitly Sirius with James having no part in the potentially lethal prank save immediately acting to stop it upon finding out. While the prank was pretty terrible, that speaks more about Serius in that time than James.

We do know that he decided to have himself a motorbike chase with two police officers just for funzies, and then when he and Sirius got attacked by DE's, he used the cop car as a weapon (no mention is given that he let the cops escape first). Deliberately endangering the cops and other bystanders for fun, and then uses the cops as a weapon. Not a good sign.
Is this from some word of god or supplementary material? I'm fairly certain there was nothing like this in the books. I'm not ruling out the idea that it is canon in any sense, given there is a fair bit of psudo canon in the form of word of god and things from the games or the like that I'm not familiar with (I've also not watched the movies), but I would like to know the source.

That means that James fathered him in October of 1979, or, shortly after turning 19. Or, shortly after both his parents died and James inherited their money. The only way he could have been less ready to have a kid would've been if he'd knocked up Lily while they were both in school. No teenager is actually ready to have a kid.
It should be noted that while 19 is young by modern views to have a kid, they were in a war time and actively taking part in the war. It is not uncommon for families to get started sooner during wars with people wanting to marry and have kids while they have the chance when there is a good chance one or both of them will die. Mind this can also result in rushing into a relationship that might have shown itself to not be very good had they taken a little more time, but they can't be overly faulted for having kids when they did.

More on topic (if only barely), it's good to see this update again. I do wonder if Taylor will try asking Amy to help her sleep (seeing as it should be well within Amy's ability to render her unconscious even without altering the brain through the use of making some sleep medication in the bloodstream.

owrtho
 
And here I was, thinking that the rest of the story would be told in epistolary format.
I'm no Bram Stoker. I do like the letter format and I'm planning on having it appear again.
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deliberate? I would have thought Taylor would spot the mistake with the second "parents" when she went over correcting it.
... No. But it can be. Blame it on Taylor being sleepy.
@minuseven

"First of September sent, Fifth of September draft"
Should that be the other way around?
No. The first letter (1st Sep.) has already been sent and the second one (5th Sep) is a draft she's still not finished both writing and censoring.
Actually, she has given standing orders to her bugs before, most notably telling spiders not to eat each other, that are obeyed even without her being present. Similarly, her powers have a tendency to keep going with the last order she gave after she loses consciousness, most notably after the events with tag. If she can avoid nausea by telling the bugs to settle down, then that should remain in effect even while asleep. However, if you are referring to clamping down on her power in some other way, then I'm pretty sure she can't actually do that, at all, even while awake.*


*All of the above refers solely to cannon. Obviously, you can change things however you like in your own fic.
Well, yes. But the way I see it, those are standing orders to DO stuff. For the insects to act. For her powers to stretch themselves. What Taylor is doing here is not only restricting her power usage, it's also restricting her power's range. That's not telling her bugs "don't go being this radius", that's "don't give me info beyond this radius". That's unnatural. Her powers weren't meant to NOT feeding her information. They were designed to always be ending Taylor... well, all the stuff. That's why she ended up hospitalized until she could acclimatize to her powers. That's why when she was half-conscious after the Bakuda bomb she could hear things through her bugs. She always could, she was just filtering it when awake. Restricting the information that reaches her is not natural and so only happens with conscious effort (even if for little miss multitasker that effort seems negligible). Her proprioception double, no. Ten times that.

It's not her powers doing that, it's all Taylor, putting a wall between sensory information and her brain. (I think the "wall" metaphor is actually used in the first Worm chapter) So when Taylor's concentration slips up... all that sensory information slides through the cracks in her mental walls. And gives her the hell of a headache. Very much QA poking her uncooperative human there. After all, she'd been reveling in all sorts of different info just before. And now she wants to backtrack not only all the way, but also way past the limits?

QA: Hell no. Bitch.
 
I wrote a thing about why James ain't that great, but I spoilered it because it's kind of a digression. He might've died a not completely evil person, but my general opinion is that we never actually saw him do anything good either.
While I don't agree that James was necessarily a bad person by the time he died, I do think it's a good point that Amy wouldn't consider him a hero, particularly compared to her normal metrics.

Well, yes. But the way I see it, those are standing orders to DO stuff. For the insects to act. For her powers to stretch themselves.
"Don't eat each other" isn't really an order to do things.
What Taylor is doing here is not only restricting her power usage, it's also restricting her power's range. That's not telling her bugs "don't go being this radius", that's "don't give me info beyond this radius".
She definitely can't do that directly, just as you can't tell your ears to stop hearing.
It's not her powers doing that, it's all Taylor, putting a wall between sensory information and her brain. (I think the "wall" metaphor is actually used in the first Worm chapter) So when Taylor's concentration slips up... all that sensory information slides through the cracks in her mental walls.
This, on the other hand, definitely works while she's unconscious under normal circumstances. Otherwise she'd be dealing with bug-sight and bug-sound whenever she went to sleep and both of those would keep her up, particularly the former which she also found disorienting. The reason it didn't work after Bakuda was because she had a concussion and those mess with all sorts of things.
 
This, on the other hand, definitely works while she's unconscious under normal circumstances. Otherwise she'd be dealing with bug-sight and bug-sound whenever she went to sleep and both of those would keep her up, particularly the former which she also found disorienting. The reason it didn't work after Bakuda was because she had a concussion and those mess with all sorts of things.
Different interpretations, I guess. I see the situation at Hogwarts being different from the situation at Brockton Bay because at Hogwarts it's actively hurting her. In other places, I think the change could have gone unnoticed in the transition from awake to asleep. A "passively ignoring" vs "actively suppressing" dichotomy.
 
That was explicitly Sirius with James having no part in the potentially lethal prank save immediately acting to stop it upon finding out. While the prank was pretty terrible, that speaks more about Serius in that time than James.
Hmm... I always interpreted it as the marauders as a whole, but James being the only one to have second thoughts. That would let him off the murder rap, for sure, but not the 'generally being an asshole' thing nor the bit where he basically had to be bought off with the hope of sex to be less of one.
Also, incidentally, my god the marauders are terrible people. But that's a rant for another time ;)

Is this from some word of god or supplementary material? I'm fairly certain there was nothing like this in the books. I'm not ruling out the idea that it is canon in any sense, given there is a fair bit of psudo canon in the form of word of god and things from the games or the like that I'm not familiar with (I've also not watched the movies), but I would like to know the source.

Actually, that's fair. I pulled it from the wiki, which appears to source from the books and the WoG that Rowling puts out now and then, but I can't actually verify that. The stated source is an 800 word prequel that Rowling published in 2008. Here's the article: Harry Potter Prequel
Assuming it to be true material from Rowling, though...
The text is handwritten, so I was relying on the summary. Taking a closer look, at least one of the cops was out of the vehicle, and I think both. That bit I had wrong, then. The cops themselves weren't used as weapons, just their vehicle. The cops were instead left... in an alley... with three soon-to-be angry wizards.
Um. I'm not sure that's a whole lot better, actually. Those cops are probably dead.

While I don't agree that James was necessarily a bad person by the time he died, I do think it's a good point that Amy wouldn't consider him a hero, particularly compared to her normal metrics.
And yeah- the point I'm mostly going for is, we get told he changed his stripes, but he just didn't have a very long time to have done it in. He's most well known for having been a bully, getting married insanely young, and then spending almost two years in hiding with his wife before their deaths. Can't prove he didn't change... but we also weren't shown that he did. He really didn't have a lot of time in which to have become a better person, just the span between his chase in '77 and knocking up Lily in '79, really.

And whatever James did do, it really does pale in comparison to most folks from the Worm-verse that Amy and Taylor would be familiar with. By this point, Taylor's actively hunted villains, gone into harm's way, fought an endbringer with her own two hands, and generally swung so far outside her weight class that she's an internet meme. Amy's stayed up at night losing sleep for fear she's not good enough because she only saves kids by the school-bus load (short bus, perhaps, but still, more than would fit in a 12-passenger van!). Because she judges her heroes by the standards of Eidolon, Armsmaster, Legend, and of course, her entire family. Her family, who were so opposed to hiding, who were so dedicated to their ideals, that they are the only heroes to unmask voluntarily. When you contrast that to 'spent two years in hiding before dying', it's not a good comparison.
 
eh. severus is a teacher who abuses his students verbally

Severus Snape is a teacher in a culture that only stopped whipping children in school a generation ago; I seem to recall the Weasleys talking about Arthur's scars.

He's also stuck teaching two houses that have a rivalry together, and cauldrons, you know, explode, if you fuck up a potion bad enough.

but he saved the life of the kid he hated

And kept on bullying him. And presumably misrepresented what happened to Lily considering what she said.

I don't like any of them, but at least Snape is interesting and has enough stress that I can understand why he's an asshole.
 
I don't like any of them, but at least Snape is interesting and we have enough information on him that I can understand why he's an asshole.
FTFY

It's weird that Harry has 2 of the Marauders with him for a time and we barely get any information about them.

Anyway, I'm patiently awaiting the time Taylor goes into the Forbidden Forest and finds some things to her liking...
 

Not really? James was an asshole as a child. He came from a good family, he had good friends (except Peter), and he had teachers covering for his friend's egregious bullshit. Meanwhile, as an adult, he's supposed to be a pretty okay dude, like, planning to make amends with Snape level of okay, if I'm remembering my Word of Jo right, they were planning on naming their next child after Severus.

If anything, it looks like stress decreased James' assholishness. The war starts up, he and his family get chased around and he gets stressed and goes, "Oh, this sucks to be chased around and have people sniping at me and...Oh. Shit. Uh, fuck. Uh. Lily, I have a confession to make."

Just had a thought:

Taylor knows, how do I put it, uh, running people. You don't make people who hate each other work together unless you have to, decreased productivity. She's also aware of "Don't fuck around in Tinker workshops."

So, Judgemental Skitter is Judgemental. He's a teacher, he's abusing his authority. Also, who the fuck designed this schedule because Slytherin/Gryffindor classes are dumb Then, either in the first class or soonish, cauldron explosion. She switches to Slytherin/Gryffindor classes are really dumb, and Snape is a bastard stuck with undisciplined children playing with explosive chemicals and is being cutting and an asshole in anger (I still don't like him).

I feel like it's kinda important, because Taylor's PoV is so mature, it would be odd/jarring for her have a view on Snape that basically mirrors Harry's/canon's. Since Harry has pretty good reason to view him that way, insight is needed.

Anyways, explosion. Chances of Amy outting her power?
 
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Well, something to say for James is that when push came to shove he did freely choose to fight on the right side in a war that he didn't need to. And he died because of it too. Being a pureblood meant he could very likely have sat out the fight at no cost to himself.

So while you can disparage his personal behavior he at least has that much going for him in Amy's estimate of him being a hero or a villain.
 
Well, something to say for James is that when push came to shove he did freely choose to fight on the right side in a war that he didn't need to. And he died because of it too. Being a pureblood meant he could very likely have sat out the fight at no cost to himself.

So while you can disparage his personal behavior he at least has that much going for him in Amy's estimate of him being a hero or a villain.
He had spent the past seven years antagonizing prominent members of the Death Eaters. I don't think joining them was ever in the cards, or even remaining neutral.
 
Well, something to say for James is that when push came to shove he did freely choose to fight on the right side in a war that he didn't need to. And he died because of it too. Being a pureblood meant he could very likely have sat out the fight at no cost to himself.

So while you can disparage his personal behavior he at least has that much going for him in Amy's estimate of him being a hero or a villain.
Except that he had a crush on a 'mudblood.' There, stupid personal reason found.
 
Actually, she has given standing orders to her bugs before, most notably telling spiders not to eat each other, that are obeyed even without her being present.
:Citation Needed:

Do you mean when she spread her spiders throughout the neighborhood so they wouldn't eat each other? Or later on when she kept them in separate enclosures in her lair?
 
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Well, something to say for James is that when push came to shove he did freely choose to fight on the right side in a war that he didn't need to. And he died because of it too. Being a pureblood meant he could very likely have sat out the fight at no cost to himself. [emphasis added -Arm]

So while you can disparage his personal behavior he at least has that much going for him in Amy's estimate of him being a hero or a villain.
Ah, he did sit it out. He was in hiding for almost two years before his eventual demise. We know they went into hiding as soon as Lily was pregnant, and they were killed when Harry was about one. So at least 20 months in hiding. That's pretty much sitting it out, really. He might have done something in 78 or the first half of 79. We don't know that he didn't. But we also don't know that he did.

More to the point, hiding's pretty much the antithesis of how New Wave operated. Amy grew up with unmasked superheroes. Secret societies that fight terrorists from the shadows... not really how her team ran things.
 
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I seem to recall Hagrid saying that James and Lily were both quite active.

And being in hiding doesn't preclude being active-look at Fred and George during Book 7-they were running an underground radio.
 
He had spent the past seven years antagonizing prominent members of the Death Eaters. I don't think joining them was ever in the cards, or even remaining neutral.

Snape, sure... Is there any canon about any other Death Eaters? More than the rest of Gryphondor at least?

So maybe joining wasn't in the cards, but sitting the fight out was probably very likely to be possible. Remember that the vast majority of people in magical Britain sat out the fight.

Ah, he did sit it out. He was in hiding for almost two years before his eventual demise. We know they went into hiding as soon as Lily was pregnant, and they were killed when Harry was about one. So at least 20 months in hiding. That's pretty much sitting it out, really. He might have done something in 78 or the first half of 79. We don't know that he didn't. But we also don't know that he did.

More to the point, hiding's pretty much the antithesis of how New Wave operated. Amy grew up with unmasked superheroes. Secret societies that fight terrorists from the shadows... not really how her team ran things.

The wording of the prophesy makes it very clear that they were very active in resisting Voldemort, escaping him personally three times. They were apparently both core members of the OotP.

Hiding might not have been what Amy would have considered heroic... But the situation was very different. Their identities were not secret and the bad guys were not holding themselves to any standards. Given that scenario it was hardly unwarranted.
 
OH DEAR GOD is there an official Harry Potter morality thread for this sort of discussion, as there is for Worm morality threads?

edit: scratch that, the Worm morality thread is actually on SB. AAAAAAAA
 
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