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Fandom Lord said:
You obviously didn't understand the posts, which is why your comment resulted in that response. Try retreading it without trying to compare quotes about completely different things.
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> brings up the original post to explain context
> even brings up what the posts was likely a response to
> "you didn't understand the posts"

My dude, the only thing I didn't understand was your weird goalpost shifting in effort to claim victory, so maybe explain that first, but I will get to the core of the issue: what would be the point of the virtual schools being a thing and what does that change or add to the movie's adaptation of the book's story?
 
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all fictions said:
> brings up the original post to explain context
> even brings up what the posts was likely a response to
> "you didn't understand the posts"

My dude, the only thing I didn't understand was your weird goalpost shifting in effort to claim victory, so maybe explain that first, but I will get to the core of the issue: what would be the point of the virtual schools being a thing and what does that change or add to the movie's adaptation of the book's story?
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No you didn't. You quoted two posts and claimed I was wrong about...something.
 
Fandom Lord said:
If the character was a vampire in the book and has all the similarities, then it's perfectly reasonable. You need to actually read what's been said been said.
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No u.

But seriously. This is not engaging with the argument that if you treat the movie as standalone, which Gitaxian is saying to do, the book having it has no relevancy to the movie. It's just you taking it as a given that the movie abides the book unless stated explicitly otherwise, ans treating anyone who suggests to so otherwise as an illiterate moron.

You have no counter argument to the idea, just a repeated series of claiming victory without engaging the actual arguments.
 
Fandom Lord said:
No you didn't. You quoted two posts and claimed I was wrong about...something.
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Those were two different posts lol, and the other one was essentially an aside, because you didn't actually read my first post in favour of skipping what I said and just entrenching in your previous position, which is why I commented on it because my previous point was most likely getting me nowhere. But since apparently you can write English but not read it, I will simply put a pin on your questionable position for now and focus on the matter at hand instead.

Namely, again, what would be the point of the virtual schools being a thing and what does that change or add to the movie's adaptation of the book's story?
 
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Terrabrand said:
No u.

But seriously. This is not engaging with the argument that if you treat the movie as standalone, which Gitaxian is saying to do, the book having it has no relevancy to the movie. It's just you taking it as a given that the movie abides the book unless stated explicitly otherwise, ans treating anyone who suggests to so otherwise as an illiterate moron.

You have no counter argument to the idea, just a repeated series of claiming victory without engaging the actual arguments.
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No it's not. And seeing as you haven't provided any evidence or made any argument besides attacking me I don't see what anyone is supposed to engage with in your comment.

all fictions said:
Those were two different posts lol, and the other one was essentially an aside, because you didn't actually read my first post in favour of skipping what I said and just entrenching in your previous position, which is why I commented on it because my previous point was most likely getting me nowhere. But since apparently you can write English but not read it, I will simply put a pin on your questionable position for now and focus on the matter at hand instead.

Namely, again, what would be the point of the virtual schools being a thing and what does that change or add to the movie's adaptation of the book's story?
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That's not an argument and it's on you to prove your claims.
 
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Fandom Lord said:
That's not an argument and it's on you to prove your claims.
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I am now convinced I am communicating with a Chinese Room and not a real person.

Do you know what "argument" and "claims" mean? What argument am I making, exactly, when I am asking a question. I mean, it's rich coming from you that I have to prove my claims when providing evidence is the first thing I did, but whatever.

No detour or goalpost shifting here. Answer the question please, so we can understand the point of your position and then we can get a real discussion going.
 
all fictions said:
I am now convinced I am communicating with a Chinese Room and not a real person.

Do you know what "argument" and "claims" mean? What argument am I making, exactly, when I am asking a question. I mean, it's rich coming from you that I have to prove my claims when providing evidence is the first thing I did, but whatever.

No detour or goalpost shifting here. Answer the question please, so we can understand the point of your position and then we can get a real discussion going.
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You aren't making arguments, you're just insulting me and making personal attacks.
 
Fandom Lord said:
You aren't making arguments, you're just insulting me and making personal attacks.
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:facepalm:

If you think someone is not participating in good faith and doing nothing but personal attacks, you stop responding and report them.

You don't grandstand about how attacked you are and how ebul the other party is. If you are correct, the mods will handle it but only if it is reported and whether you are correct or not, responding solely to claim the other party is personally attacking you is disrupting the thread if not outright uncivil and factually incorrect.

The report button exists. Use it. Staff wants you to. Report, don't try to make a discussion into some morality thing where you debate whether or not you are being attacked.That is necessarily offtopic, having nothing to do with RPO and is the mods job to deal with if true, not yours.

This has been a public service announcement by me. Because seriously, reporting works. (Unless you are in the wrong, in which case you still shouldn't be trying to do vigilante modding. Only digs your grave deeper, as I understand.)
 
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Fandom Lord said:
You aren't making arguments
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Hey, we agree on something! I'm not making an argument yet, because the previous ones have proved fruitless.

I am asking a question so that I can better understand your position and start arguing from there. Although I will slightly modify the original question as I believe it may be somewhat unclear in places: what would be the point of the virtual schools of the book being a thing in the movie and what does that change or add to the movie's adaptation of the book's story and criticism of it?
 
@Terrabrand
How is assuming a similarity between the book and movie when there is nothing contradicting it a wrong thing to do?
Should I assume Voldemort doesn't know Imperio in the Harry Potter movieverse just because he doesn't use it on screen?
 
Fandom Lord said:
@Terrabrand
How is assuming a similarity between the book and movie when there is nothing contradicting it a wrong thing to do?
Should I assume Voldemort doesn't know Imperio in the Harry Potter movieverse just because he doesn't use it on screen?
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The argument is that RPO is a highly divergent adaptation. Harry Potter attempts to conform to the books in all things to a large degree, RPO throws out tons of basic setting conceits apparently, going by what others lay out.

It's the difference between a documentary and based on a true story movies. I've seen ads for 'based on a true story' horror movies with visible spectral ghosts running people downin the open. Pretty sure we have no hard confirmation those exist.

When a movie is superfaithful but abbreviated, itis entirely fair to assume details not explicitly laid out are true.

This is not true when the timeline and setting context are massively scrambled.
 
Terrabrand said:
The argument is that RPO is a highly divergent adaptation. Harry Potter attempts to conform to the books in all things to a large degree, RPO throws out tons of basic setting conceits apparently, going by what others lay out.

It's the difference between a documentary and based on a true story movies. I've seen ads for 'based on a true story' horror movies with visible spectral ghosts running people downin the open. Pretty sure we have no hard confirmation those exist.

When a movie is superfaithful but abbreviated, itis entirely fair to assume details not explicitly laid out are true.

This is not true when the timeline and setting context are massively scrambled.
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In that case there's no point arguing without evidence either way. In which case it doesn't matter which parts people believe as long as they aren't contradicted. Head canon.
 
Oasis could have multiple levels of interaction, like VR Chat. Additionally, the equipment for students could be provided by the government, without every person getting their own personal equipment.
 
Gitaxian said:
It doesn't? That's my entire point, the Oasis-based public schools in the book just don't exist in the movie.
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That hasn't been proven not to be true and there's nothing to replace them in the movie, therefore people deciding to keep that as their headcanon is completely acceptable.
 
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    • violation of rule 4 @Fandom Lord , I do not know how you could not understand what was being said by @Terrabrand and the rest of the users in this thread concerning their positions on the matter. They went to great lengths in order to answer you, and when they asked you questions to clarify your position, you ignored them.

    While Bad Faith debating isn't, per se, against the rules, refusing to engage other users, tangentially answering their posts at best, or outright ignoring them at worst, is not what could be considered proper debating practice.

    Since you have previous history of doing such a thing, you have received a 25 points infraction and a 3-day long threadban.

    As usual, the other users are kindly asked not to engage with a threadbanned user until his return, because it's poor form to do so.

    Have a nice day.
     
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    • I saw it yesterday. One of the things that jumped at me is that it borrows several plot points and visual concepts from the 2009 animé Summer Wars, which was already about a scrappy underdog in an immersive virtual reality, complete with a mass mobilization of fellow users to help turn the tide against the big bad.
     
    Gitaxian said:
    Again, there's a difference between "it's my headcanon" and "the end of the movie is bad because it doesn't mesh perfectly with my headcanon."
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    Fandom Lord didn't do a very good job of making his point, however Media that is adapted from other Media is supposed to incorporate the Canon of the adapted media by default, except where explicitely mentioned otherwise.

    An example is the many novels and cartoons that are set in the Star Wars franchise.

    The Clone Wars Cartoon introduced a character named Asohka Tano, who was a Togruta, as Luke Skywalkers padawan and gave her human like teeth.

    That doesn't mean they throw out everything about the Star Wars Canon that isn't explicitely shown on screen. It doesn't mean Anakin won't fall to the darkside, and it doesn't mean that Han Solo doesn't exist in this continuity unless he's shown on screen.
     
    Matou Sutegobana said:
    Fandom Lord didn't do a very good job of making his point, however Media that is adapted from other Media is supposed to incorporate the Canon of the adapted media by default, except where explicitely mentioned otherwise.

    An example is the many novels and cartoons that are set in the Star Wars franchise.

    The Clone Wars Cartoon introduced a character named Asohka Tano, who was a Togruta, as Luke Skywalkers padawan and gave her human like teeth.

    That doesn't mean they throw out everything about the Star Wars Canon that isn't explicitely shown on screen. It doesn't mean Anakin won't fall to the darkside, and it doesn't mean that Han Solo doesn't exist in this continuity unless he's shown on screen.
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    Clone Wars is set in the Star Wars universe as a separate story. RPO the movie is the same story as the book adapted to a different medium, and major plot points are completely different. The two aren't comparable at all.
     
    Hendryk said:
    I saw it yesterday. One of the things that jumped at me is that it borrows several plot points and visual concepts from the 2009 animé Summer Wars, which was already about a scrappy underdog in an immersive virtual reality, complete with a mass mobilization of fellow users to help turn the tide against the big bad.
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    Well, Summer Wars is just an incredibly obvious remake of Digimon Adventure: Our War Game!, though. Both are by the same director, and both have almost exactly the same main plot beat-for-beat.
     
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