[X] "Every Dalit you've ever killed."

I don't know anything about Shintai, but I love this answer.

Great story btw. I just binged the prequel, and it's awesome
 
[X] "Every Dalit you've ever killed."

Vengeance is mine, sayeth Ravana; I shall repay.
 
OK, changing my vote. I don't actually particularly like the Malfeas or the Theion option, but as SUPER HERO JAGGANATH isn't in contention, and @TenfoldShields is wise (even if he keeps on promising to get around to voting in The Dragon's Spite and doesn't), so I'm switching options to HI IT'S YOUR BOY METAGAOS to try to bring it more into contention.

[X] "Can't you hear it? I'm the Monster."

I like the idea that Ravana is in fact depicting himself as the monster; as the villain; as a force of chaos and destruction set up against the perfect crystalline order of the Monitors. Ravana has been downtrodden, been oppressed, been demonised.

Well, if they demonise him, he'll be their demon. He'll take the mantle they say he wears, and he'll don it. He'll appropriate it, and wear it for his own. Because if they claim to be righteous and holy, he wants no place in the world they say is good and proper.

He's the baaaaaaaaad guy. Duh.
 
Good arguments have been made and I do want to see how the author handles this particular brand of inhumanity so ...

[X] "Can't you hear it? I'm the Monster."
 
We need to grind his face in his how worthless his sacrifices were.

"Your daughter died for nothing. Your son died for nothing. Your grandchildren died for nothing. The only lesson you have ever taught worth learning is this: be not like me."


[X] "Jagganath."

Know it won't win, but can't resist the boar. He's my favorite yozi.
 
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There is an irony to the Theion option that i love - Jatayu, so sure of his own piousness, to be favored by the gods, being beaten by the ruly divine, is delicious - And the line is just perfect

But at the end of it, Imrix is right. This is not who Ravana is. He isn't a god or a Solar.

[X] "Can't you hear it? I'm the Monster."
 
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These are not the words of a rival come to dethrone the lords and assert their own authority. These are not the words of someone seeking the worship of the masses, as Theion would - this is an underdog, a beaten thing rising up against an unjust order, the Monitor's crimes bursting out of the sewer to haunt them.

It's ugly, it's raw, it's hateful, because after everything that the Dalit suffer, justice can be nothing else.

We are Ravana. And we would like to rage.

[X] "Every Dalit you've ever killed."

oh boy oh boy oh boy it's my favorite time in quests

ie. "I genuinely think every option works and I don't want to give the GM anxiety by making them think that x option sucked but I like x option less than mine so time to take a sledgehammer and a scalpel and try to chisel out an explanation why"

So here's why. :V

There's something about the juxtaposition of Malfeas's themes and the direction imparted by the one liner that doesn't quite do it for me I think. Ravana is absolutely, like, he's absolutely defined by being a Dalit, even if he's alternated between trying to numb out everything that comes with it and spitefully putting pressure on it, like a rotten tooth, because the moment of clear pain feels better than the constant dull ache of being deemed-classified-and-treated as human garbage and, hey, if he can make someone else feel even worse with it? Gravy. Make the Fantasy Indian Fox News Anchor super fucking uncomfortable. Use it to rub the salt in. Use it to shame and slander and spite people who lose because, hey, he's playing by their rules isn't he? And yet here he is, on fucking top, and here they are, in the dirt.

It's more of...it's Ravana assuming the mantle of all Dalit that kinda- not jars me exactly, but I don't exactly like the taste of as I kinda swish it around my mouth. Not because I think it doesn't fit, but because I'm not super engaged by the momentum it imparts, if that makes sense? Targeting the systemic problems that the caste system supports and exacerbates, the hypocrisy of it all, trying to represent all Dalit across Za-Vant and its moons, all of them suffering and hurt and thrown away together? That's very much Indrajit's thing. That was the position he played. That was who he wanted to be. Ravana stepping into that isn't bad, exactly, even/especially since it's his own like, very Ravana-esque take on it all. But it doesn't really intrigue me in terms of the character. Because "dissolute fuckboi is forced into a position where he has to be less dissolute and less of a fuckboi and rise to meet the responsibilities" feels kind of like a dampener on the parts of Ravana that I like, those vices and appetites and the often-unspoken or unarticulated hunger for contact and connection and the way he somehow manages to drunkenly spin it all into something positive while fucking up but doing his best. Because "Ravana needs to be more like Indrajit" doesn't really grab me when Indrajit is, by and large, seen mostly as a reflection in terms of the people he's impacted and Ravana's got a super distinct style and tone. And because overall I'm less interested in Ravana-Malfeas, the Avatar of the Systemically Oppressed Here to Feed You Your Teeth, with that ego and viciousness and injured spite, and more in Metagaos, and the aspects of Ravana that he embodies and represents, if that makes sense?

The way he's always starving for more, dreaming of more. The way he subverts and flips disadvantages into leverage and has gotten really, really good at cheating the rigged game right back. The way he develops (despite himself) connections with others. And the way that the one-liner is based more around the idea of, like Scorp said:

"You keep treating me like a monster. Well here's the monster you made. What, aren't I everything you wanted? Aren't I grand?"

Of leaping in, of taking this narrative of eternal victory Rama's created and twisting it until it cuts in the Monitor's hands. Of gleefully being not just everything they ever feared, but better than they themselves could be.

Doing that thing that he loves doing, taking someone's seeming advantage and then beating them to death with it.

OK, changing my vote. I don't actually particularly like the Malfeas or the Theion option, but as SUPER HERO JAGGANATH isn't in contention, and @TenfoldShields is wise (even if he keeps on promising to get around to voting in The Dragon's Spite and doesn't), so I'm switching options to HI IT'S YOUR BOY METAGAOS to try to bring it more into contention.

lmao poor motherfucker

my signature move is getting people to lower their expectations and then disappointing them anyway
 
oh boy oh boy oh boy it's my favorite time in quests

ie. "I genuinely think every option works and I don't want to give the GM anxiety by making them think that x option sucked but I like x option less than mine so time to take a sledgehammer and a scalpel and try to chisel out an explanation why"

So here's why. :V

There's something about the juxtaposition of Malfeas's themes and the direction imparted by the one liner that doesn't quite do it for me I think. Ravana is absolutely, like, he's absolutely defined by being a Dalit, even if he's alternated between trying to numb out everything that comes with it and spitefully putting pressure on it, like a rotten tooth, because the moment of clear pain feels better than the constant dull ache of being deemed-classified-and-treated as human garbage and, hey, if he can make someone else feel even worse with it? Gravy. Make the Fantasy Indian Fox News Anchor super fucking uncomfortable. Use it to rub the salt in. Use it to shame and slander and spite people who lose because, hey, he's playing by their rules isn't he? And yet here he is, on fucking top, and here they are, in the dirt.

It's more of...it's Ravana assuming the mantle of all Dalit that kinda- not jars me exactly, but I don't exactly like the taste of as I kinda swish it around my mouth. Not because I think it doesn't fit, but because I'm not super engaged by the momentum it imparts, if that makes sense? Targeting the systemic problems that the caste system supports and exacerbates, the hypocrisy of it all, trying to represent all Dalit across Za-Vant and its moons, all of them suffering and hurt and thrown away together? That's very much Indrajit's thing. That was the position he played. That was who he wanted to be. Ravana stepping into that isn't bad, exactly, even/especially since it's his own like, very Ravana-esque take on it all. But it doesn't really intrigue me in terms of the character. Because "dissolute fuckboi is forced into a position where he has to be less dissolute and less of a fuckboi and rise to meet the responsibilities" feels kind of like a dampener on the parts of Ravana that I like, those vices and appetites and the often-unspoken or unarticulated hunger for contact and connection and the way he somehow manages to drunkenly spin it all into something positive while fucking up but doing his best. Because "Ravana needs to be more like Indrajit" doesn't really grab me when Indrajit is, by and large, seen mostly as a reflection in terms of the people he's impacted and Ravana's got a super distinct style and tone. And because overall I'm less interested in Ravana-Malfeas, the Avatar of the Systemically Oppressed Here to Feed You Your Teeth, with that ego and viciousness and injured spite, and more in Metagaos, and the aspects of Ravana that he embodies and represents, if that makes sense?

The way he's always starving for more, dreaming of more. The way he subverts and flips disadvantages into leverage and has gotten really, really good at cheating the rigged game right back. The way he develops (despite himself) connections with others. And the way that the one-liner is based more around the idea of, like Scorp said:

"You keep treating me like a monster. Well here's the monster you made. What, aren't I everything you wanted? Aren't I grand?"

Of leaping in, of taking this narrative of eternal victory Rama's created and twisting it until it cuts in the Monitor's hands. Of gleefully being not just everything they ever feared, but better than they themselves could be.

Doing that thing that he loves doing, taking someone's seeming advantage and then beating them to death with it.
As someone who argued for murdering Janaka back in the previous incarnation of this game explicitly because Ravana isn't a regular goody-two-shoes hero out to champion his people, you make a convincing argument. There is an element of tactical voting in my choice; while I think Malfeas is a good fit, I also think it's a much better fit than Theion, and prior to my post it was the likeliest-looking contender to keep Theion from winning. If Metagaos continues to build steam as it is, I'm prepared to switch.
 
As someone who argued for murdering Janaka back in the previous incarnation of this game explicitly because Ravana isn't a regular goody-two-shoes hero out to champion his people, you make a convincing argument. There is an element of tactical voting in my choice; while I think Malfeas is a good fit, I also think it's a much better fit than Theion, and prior to my post it was the likeliest-looking contender to keep Theion from winning. If Metagaos continues to build steam as it is, I'm prepared to switch.

I mean, tbh the deal with that though is, like, "if you want x option to win, you should commit and vote for it, since quests are generally small enough that just a few people shifting/some notable arguments can be enough to flip things over". Playing it conservative by staking it on your second most liked choice means you're more likely to get your second most liked choice.
 
I agree with "not malfeas" but monster is really behind and I do like the vibe of holy tyrant

It's like all of five people behind! This is kinda what I mean, I mean, about being a lil bemused/frustrated with people going "Yeah but it's too behind" and then tactically voting for their second/tie choice. When if, like, a literal handful of them switched or just committed monster would be neck-and-neck-if-not-in-the-lead.
 
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It's like all of five people behind! This is kinda what I mean, I mean, about being a lil bemused/frustrated with people going "Yeah but it's too behind" and then tactically voting for their second/tie choice. When if, like, a literal handful of them switched or just committed monster would be neck-and-neck-if-not-in-the-lead.

I read your post literally a minute ago and all I can say is ... oops
Well theion is my favorite but I don't have a strong preference, I've just seen malfeas enough that I want something different.


[X] "Can't you hear it? I'm the Monster."
 
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[X] "Can't you hear it? I'm the Monster."

So this is partly for the sentiment behind it and the hilarious screaming of his augeries, but mostly because Contagion of Weeds is actually really powerful, guys, and some of the offshoots and related Charmtech have some surprisingly strong synergies with the Infernal Monster if used right. It's also probably the most Indrajit-themed choice, focused on spreading ideas (albeit in corrupted Infernal ways) rather than just SMASH.
 
[X] "Can't you hear it? I'm the Monster."

My primary reason for voting for this is "not Theion", because as much as I like him normally his option really doesn't fit here. My reason for going for this over the Dalit option is that as much as I love Shintais and their massive power boost, I feel we're better off introducing the wonderful world of Pantheon Heresy than merely improving our super mode.
 
Vote-wise - I know people are voting for Theion, but I ask that we all pause and consider what that suggests. Theion is the Holy Tyrant. He is the very definition of, "I am in charge because it is my nature to be rule." His nature is essentially a copy of the sort of person Rama and Jutayu is - and to embody that is to make Ravana like them. Another tyrant stamped from that mould. Rama overthrows Ahsoka because he is the better tyrant, Ravana strives to overthrow Rama because... he is the better tyrant.
[X] "The closest thing to God you will ever meet"

Eventually the guy who self-righteously overthrows the past rulers and who proclaims themselves to be godlike will turn out to be a decent ruler. It's just the law of averages. :V
 
I really, really want to vote for "Every Dalit you've ever killed." But that's our brother, not Ravana. We think we're hot shit, but we don't have illusions of being a god, of being better than everyone else. No, we're very much
[X] "Can't you hear it? I'm the Monster."
 
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