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Pro Patria Vivere | An Avoided Great War Nation Game

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Cetashwayo said:
Not getting into a war with the Syndicalists is one thing, but one would expect that the colonial authorities in places like West Sahara would either defect to another power or form an exile government. I don't remember giving much thought to it.
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Spanish Morocco could probably unify with French Morocco. The problem with most of Spain's remaining colonies if they have nothing anybody wants.

That said, regarding Morocco, it's actually literally part of Franco-Spanish relations that France can assume administrative duties if Spain proves unable to do so, and this is probably as clear an example of that as there can be.
 
I guess I could do some googling, but what's the difference between socialism/communism and syndicalism?
 
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    • Zeller said:
    I guess I could do some googling, but what's the difference between socialism/communism and syndicalism?
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    Syndicalism is much more focused around democracy and unions, if I remember correctly, where labor unions essentially control the major functions of the economy.

    Space Oddity said:
    I'm willing to take the UK.
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    You have been awarded the position of player of the United Kingdom.

    Sealy said:
    Yeah, for the record I'd prefer Ireland.
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    You have been awarded the position of player of the Irish Free State.

    With the major nations filled, the game will begin at approximately 12:00 pm EDT, as I need to write some events to coincide with the beginning of the world of Pro Patria Vivere.
     
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    • Right--I know that isn't much, but I felt I had to give everyone an indication of what was happening in the UK today.
     
    @DonFitz just to clarify the situation, I don't imagine that the United States has recognised Manchukuo or established relations with it. The US didn't do so when it was established IOTL and I suspect that wouldn't change here.

    During the crisis, I imagine that the US went out of its way to avoid any diplomatic action that could be construed as even a tacit acknowledgement of Manchukuo's independence. So it probably involved a lot of meetings through intermediaries and such.
     
    Heavy W. Guy said:
    @DonFitz just to clarify the situation, I don't imagine that the United States has recognised Manchukuo or established relations with it. The US didn't do so when it was established IOTL and I suspect that wouldn't change here.

    During the crisis, I imagine that the US went out of its way to avoid any diplomatic action that could be construed as even a tacit acknowledgement of Manchukuo's independence. So it probably involved a lot of meetings through intermediaries and such.
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    I mean, Manchukuo IOTL and Manchukuo ITTL are pretty different beasts. The exigencies of total war stopped the Japanese from really putting their elbow into the development of the country, and necessitated its complete subordination to the IJA in a painfully transparent fashion. ITTL however Japan seems to have had the ability as well as the availability to build up Manchukuo. It's one thing to recognise a flimsy puppet state, but Manchukuo has had plenty of time to develop into a client-state with some staying power. Plus, I don't think the Japanese were wild about American oil investment and I doubt they'd let the US shit on their prized creation and take the oil. Frankly, if the Americans are still pulling oil from Manchurian soil in 1955 I can only assume Washington has an ambassador in Hsinking.
     
    DonFitz said:
    I mean, Manchukuo IOTL and Manchukuo ITTL are pretty different beasts. The exigencies of total war stopped the Japanese from really putting their elbow into the development of the country, and necessitated its complete subordination to the IJA in a painfully transparent fashion. ITTL however Japan seems to have had the ability as well as the availability to build up Manchukuo. It's one thing to recognise a flimsy puppet state, but Manchukuo has had plenty of time to develop into a client-state with some staying power. Plus, I don't think the Japanese were wild about American oil investment and I doubt they'd let the US shit on their prized creation and take the oil. Frankly, if the Americans are still pulling oil from Manchurian soil in 1955 I can only assume Washington has an ambassador in Hsinking.
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    Eh, Manchukuo being more or less successful probably wouldn't influence the decision overmuch. This was a very industrialised region of China, so it had a lot to work with on that score.

    That said, I'd forgotten about the IC crisis over the Manchukuo petrol, so yeah, that makes sense. Though after the recent crisis, I'd imagine there have been a few limitations on diplomatic relations: such as the US dismissing certain nonessential diplomatic staff from the Manchu embassy in Washington and Manchukuo following suit. The kind of thing that happens when countries talk to each other, but have disagreeable relations.
     
    I am sorry, but I am going to have to pull pin on the the Republic of China, was really interested but this is one game too many for me with the level of research required for nation building(I left my work posted for anyone who wants to take up China)
     
    Draorn said:
    I am sorry, but I am going to have to pull pin on the the Republic of China, was really interested but this is one game too many for me with the level of research required for nation building(I left my work posted for anyone who wants to take up China)
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    SEE THE WEAKNESS OF THE PEKING DEVILS
     
    Draorn said:
    I am sorry, but I am going to have to pull pin on the the Republic of China, was really interested but this is one game too many for me with the level of research required for nation building(I left my work posted for anyone who wants to take up China)
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    I would be happy to take China. To formalise:

    China,
    Viet Mat,
    Mahdi Army
     
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