People trying to make convincing fake meat with Science

You have a choice. Either tomorrow aliens hit us with an infertility ray and we go extinct or tomorrow aliens enslave us, keep us in shit conditions, 'milk' us and slaughter us for our meat. I'd choose the former personally.

Besides there will probably be a few cows left in zoos or whatever. We stopped using horses for transportation but little girls still like them so we still keep a few.

On the other hand. Cows aren't people, they're not even Human > : V
 
You have a choice. Either tomorrow aliens hit us with an infertility ray and we go extinct or tomorrow aliens enslave us, keep us in shit conditions, 'milk' us and slaughter us for our meat. I'd choose the former personally.
Yeah, but the difference is this: Aliens didn't literally evolve us out of another species through selective breeding for traits (unless you've been watching too many of those weird history channel shows, you probably know which one I'm talking about).
 
Also cows aren't sapient and don't have a civilization, sorry. They're less dumb than people thought but trying to draw a parallel with humans is just...weird. It used to be that people would assign all sorts of traits to specific animals, but nowadays we just anthropomorphize animals way too much. It's one thing for elephants or dolphins, but cows don't and will never have conceptualization of their slavery. They're really quite content if you let them roam free.
 
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I'm not making the "cows are people too" argument. In fact I just ate cowflesh for dinner.

It's just that the "cows will go extinct if we stop eating them therefore we have a moral duty to eat them forever" argument is such nonsense. There's no reason to do it from the perspective of "cowkind". There's no environmental reason to do it since we created modern cows (I do however support de-extincting the Auroch). And we'll have their genetic code on file somewhere if we ever need any again.
 
I think people forget that for all of the terrible conditions for many cows, not every farm is a horror show? Heck, I've seen studies that show happy cows produce more milk.

Beyond that, I know people that name their cows and treat them not to different from dogs that are a bit too large to come into the house. Even if every human stopped eating meat and drinking milk cows would likely survive as a species for a long time, if in much reduced numbers.
 
All heuristics have flaws. "extinction = bad" is almost always true, except when talking about an animal almost completely divorced from the ecosystem, which we've dealt with so extensively and for so long that if there was something profound to discover about them, we'd have done it already.

I have a feeling the real challenge is going to be getting vegetarian cheese right. It's one thing to work with the finished product of hamburger meat in mind, and it's another to find analogues for the dozens of popular, wildly different cheese varieties.
 
I agree. I eat meat because it tastes good, not out of some weird ideological conviction to devour animals for the sake of doing so. Given the ecological/economic inefficiency of meat eating I'd be happy with an alternative that tasted as good.

I feel like we've already nailed vegan chicken at a cheap price too. Boca burger chicken patties are delicious.

seitan of course has a multi millennia history of being meat like

I actually like Seitan more than I like meat. The way you can flavour it inside and out the chewiness is pleasing, etc. I just wish it was more commercially available instead of having to make it myself. Like, vital wheat gluten is a bit pricey. I'd kill for whatever standard commercial mix of gluten+peastarch+etc the big companies use and dump it into a vat of broth for flavoring

gardien, which makes a very nice faux fried fish.

Oh god gardien *rolls around in deliciousness*
 
I feel like we've already nailed vegan chicken at a cheap price too. Boca burger chicken patties are delicious.

The quorn ones are better, IMO

Edit, I've never done it, but it's supposed to be pretty easy to separate the starch from while wheat flour to get gluten for seitan.
 
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The quorn ones are better, IMO

Haven't had the chance to try them. The ones I had were heavy with quiona and that flavour. But Bocas are pretty much always cheaper.

Edit, I've never done it, but it's supposed to be pretty easy to separate the starch from while wheat flour to get gluten for seitan.

But then I can't use the flour for bread because all the gluten is gone. And that's another bloody step/
 
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