Path of Ascension by C Mantis. A Western Xianxia inspired progression fantasy with Litrpg elements.

I think this one might *not* benefit him in the same way. Remember that their self-crafted skills were designed to be improved and expanded upon. I think they pretty much already have the "upgrade this skill to a higher level" thing in place organically.
But that requires time and effort. And even with both of those, you eventually hit a ceiling on what you can accomplish with your current abilities. I'm reminded of something from another story I read, where one of the functions of the MC's system could just automatically boost one of his designs by 10% once per year. It would be able to do it even if he couldn't, and just studying the ways in which the design was improved upon could also give him hints about how to improve his own design abilities. If skill upgrade orbs work, they could be used to boost skills of his that he's hit a ceiling on, and show him a path forward, or new design techniques.
 
But that requires time and effort. And even with both of those, you eventually hit a ceiling on what you can accomplish with your current abilities. I'm reminded of something from another story I read, where one of the functions of the MC's system could just automatically boost one of his designs by 10% once per year. It would be able to do it even if he couldn't, and just studying the ways in which the design was improved upon could also give him hints about how to improve his own design abilities. If skill upgrade orbs work, they could be used to boost skills of his that he's hit a ceiling on, and show him a path forward, or new design techniques.
Okay, my point is that from what i can recall, the upgrade spheres are only really useful if your skills have lagged behind your tier. They upgrade a skill by a certain number of levels from X to Y... but the self-crafting technique that this other guy has means that skills are getting improved one level at a time. I'm not sure they'll ever fall behind enough for those to be particularly helpful... and that's not even covering the fact that the higher-level ones are *incredibly* expensive.
 
Yea, on Matt holding back, I noticed, one, almost no gear of course. Two, he only used one layer of cracked armor for awhile, letting the sword attacks do damage. Three, very light on the big spells, largely just a mana beam. Also I don't think he activated a lot of his buffs like potions- note how we were told those were once new big advancements that became commonplace, so buff technology is much better in this realm.

Ra'thala, on his side, has much fewer natural treasures, only ok equipment, no suite of buffs… I think it won't be hard at all to get him fully in the 'high elite' category at least. With Peak or Pinnacle coming after more significant training.

Susanne having a buddy in her quest to pseudo-Ascender (in hopefully a less timeful manner than Yun!) could be fun, and good for both of them.

One of his other strengths is going to be mindset- this is someone who already made it to the very top of the Realm. A normal mid to high elite may thing 'Maybe someday, I'll be the next Yun Me!' but they don't have the fire of 'I did it before and I can do it again.'
 
...and our brand new Ascender dukes showing up to get their bids in at the end.

This really is some useful context to the whole "orders" thing. The fact that the order remnants aren't an entirely unified bloc and also the ones that are still around are the ones that swallowed their pride to a degree... those things matter. I expect that Matt and Liz will be able to land a knightly order of their own, especially with a fire planet to draw natural treasures from After all, they don't need to convince "the knightly orders" to accept their deal in order to make it happen. They need to find a knightly order who's willing to accept a deal that they're willing to offer.

That said, they're all incredibly calcified, which means that they'd pretty much have to find one who their situation fit and appealed to for existing (calcified) reasons of the T45 in question. Still, given their support for the move, and the resources that they'd be able to offer... that seems possible.
 
The fact that the order remnants aren't an entirely unified bloc and also the ones that are still around are the ones that swallowed their pride to a degree... those things matter.
That these arrogant asshats are the ones that managed to swallow some of their pride says something about the ones that were so prideful they already left. Like my god, these assholes could be worse? I guess it's these kinds of people that Janet is always thinking of whenever she thinks "Empire".
 
Any bet on whether sir 'I'm not a war criminal, I'm his son' is a war criminal or his son?

It does strike me either way might lead him to being the most open to change in that direction, since treating kids well serves his cover story very well- 'oh my dad was a bad dad so I'll do better'.

And yea, the Orders should be happy with what they get. The days of being able to do whatever- which btw I suspect happened so badly at the end due to a leadership vacuum allowing them to grab up more power than ever, hence Ascender-like attitudes in Pinnacle and Peak packages- are gone, but being an elite program will get them a lot of respect.
 
hence Ascender-like attitudes in Pinnacle and Peak packages
Pinnacles and peaks were the big successes for them.

The other Order leaders were all Tier 45s and had, like most successful Knights, never amounted to anything more than a medium-level elite.

Imagine having an Ascender-like attitude while being just a mid-level elite lmao.

Bah, enough of these chuds. Lets go back to Ra'thala.
 
And yea, the Orders should be happy with what they get. The days of being able to do whatever- which btw I suspect happened so badly at the end due to a leadership vacuum allowing them to grab up more power than ever, hence Ascender-like attitudes in Pinnacle and Peak packages- are gone, but being an elite program will get them a lot of respect.
"We cannot pay for squires. That defeats the purpose of a squire. They live and die at our whim for good reason. What good are they if we can't use and dispose of them? There is a reason we used peasants for such positions."

Yeah. Incredible levels of entitlement, to think that this kind of behavior would be permitted in the new Empire... and deep social blinders as well, that somehow managed to endure through two full imperial reigns and a decent chunk of a third.

I guess it's these kinds of people that Janet is always thinking of whenever she thinks "Empire".
It does make her attitudes on the matter make more sense, now that you mention it.
 
Chapter 381
His big attack that warped both time and space was something Matt really wanted to see pop up in a rift, but knowing his luck, it would be a Tier 50 skill which they would never encounter. At least not for thousands of years, but he really wanted to play with it now. Few attack skills interacted with space, let alone time, in the way that Ra'thala's had shown itself to do so.

He also wanted to see what would happen when they shoved an upgrade orb into the skill.

It would also answer a question he had been thinking over as he watched the fights.

What Tier did a purely self-made skill count as?

Was there a possibility for them to abuse self-made skills that were unique to use both a Tier 14 upgrade orb and a Tier 26 upgrade orb on a skill that was clearly beyond those Tiers in terms of complexity and power?

If he could, that was awesome, and it lent itself to further exploitation. And if he couldn't, then why not?
Mm, right. How did new skills popping up in rifts work again? Does like, the realm itself just learn about them and it'll show up in a rift somewhere eventually? Or would it show up in an individual rift if you used the skill in it enough?

And yeah, upgrade orbs. What Tier do these skills count as? If they were like, Tier 1-8, or untiered or something, being able to stack multiple upgrade orbs on an already high-level skill would be broken.

It also explained why they all had to shift into something closer to a mid-Tier 25 perception speed when talking to Ra'thala. His baseline was a step lower until he spun up his cultivation cores.
That's a pretty significant drop. Fights at the level of a mid-high Tier 26 elite when trying, but is mid-Tier 25 when not actively in combat.

Matt did intend to talk to Luna about the method of spinning one's cores, as it was similar to the method she had taught them about pushing through cultivation suppressors. But he wondered, or rather hoped, that if there was a shared origin there might be a more advanced version that could not just reduce suppression effects, but boost cultivation in a similar way to what Ra'thala used. It was unlikely that there was a known method, otherwise they would have already been taught it either on the Path or in the army, but it was something to look into.
Mmmm. If there's similar effects that can be done with their existing cultivation as is, that could be used as a boost, that would be very very significant. If it's a widely applicable technique they could distribute to other top tier Empire fighters that would be a significant force multiplier. If it ends up requiring a specialized cultivation, eh, maybe Ra'thala can be the progenitor of a new specialized Empire elite track? Or at least this is an avenue for Ra'thala to explore to upgrade his own cultivation at least.

Having played an Ascender more than any other single actor, she had long become a household name and had her pick of movies, which was why most were surprised when she personally funded a lower budget script and elevated what would have been a small single-planet movie into an Empire-wide production.
Back to Cynthia and movies again. You know, I really do wonder how fucked the entertainment industry is for smaller players. Like just with one planet IRL, the handful of biggest names take the absolute lion's share of public attention. When you have an interstellar Empire, there's not a lot of spots for a whole heck of a lot of people in the running trying to make it in showbiz. I mean, certainly there would still be lots of B-list productions, and probably room for some local/planetary productions that don't compete at the same level, but still.

"We got a new ascender."

All three Royals clearly twitched as they increased their perception before lowering it to Tier 26 levels once more, giving him a very confused look.

Which was exactly why Matt had worded it that way.

"Ascender as in ascended from a lower Realm," he explained, eliciting a spark of recognition from his listeners. As Matt explained the adventure they'd been through, including how they'd last-minute needed to swipe the man from the Federation, Rusty belly laughed, not his clone but his real body, who waved away the person he was talking to to replace his Domain clone in the room.
Hah. Took long enough before somebody got confused by the terminology. And I guess they did need to grab him from the Feddies. But fuck the Feddies.

Matt did so and expected Rusty to make another quip but Tur'stal was the first to speak. "Now this is interesting. Making skills. I really want to get my hands on that create matter spell. Using ambient essence to condense into a temporary form at-Tier would mean less mana to reinforce the material than the normal create branch of spells make. Just how versatile is the skill creation process?"
Ah right. I forgot Tur'stal was also the type to want to make things better for everybody under her, and so would also be very interested in accessible low-Tier skills.

Frederic surprised Matt by disagreeing. "I don't dispute your comment about him not wanting to share but I doubt that Tur'stal has the time nor the inclination of trying to learn how to create new spells. Far easier to just commission Ra'thala to make what she wants and transfer it to her. I'd also assume that he might be willing to do that even if he isn't willing to share the exact creation method."

Matt opened his mouth to explain how that wouldn't work, but he didn't have one. Blank skill shards were pretty much useless, and he had nearly forgotten they existed and hadn't put two and two together in this context.
If these things existed before this, I also straight up forgot they existed.

Tur'stal asked, "Are you looking to sponsor an Order yourself?"

"No, not really. I'm already a bit stretched thin as-is these days. The guild got sued again for a perceived infringement. It will probably fail even before it sees a courtroom, but something Kees said stuck with me. If I, as a guild leader and a noble, worked on forming connections then less people would be willing to cross me socially now that it's clear I won't just murder anyone who tries to sue me." Matt gestured to the ballroom they were heading for, "So I'm trying."
So Matt (and probably Liz) are not shopping around for an Order. Makes sense. They are very very busy just trying to put together their own duchy right now. Introducing some arrogant high-tier elite into the mix probably won't help with establishing their rule.

His trek came to another halt when he saw a familiar face. Several in fact. Dominus Maniake stood with Sciath hEachaidh, Kiri Winiata, and Marco Winiata. All nobles who were working to take over their parents' fiefs in the coming years.

With an actual smile, Matt moved over to join them as they talked about the Orders they were interested in potentially sponsoring, their parents having left the decisions fully in their hands.
Ah yes, when Dominus Maniake is actually among the most reasonable and pleasant people in the room that Matt is actually smiling about when going to talk to. (I mean, to be fair, he was at least outwardly civil/polite the last time they met at the Ascension. Can reign in his ego a bit more than these knights.)

It was a bit far-fetched of an idea but Matt hoped his guild would eventually reach the point where they could create specific enough rifts that they could allow for target farming of Natural Treasures either through rift rewards or creating the correct rift environments that allowed for the Natural Treasures to naturally form. Both were possible but so far the guild hadn't even fully cracked Tier 8 skill rifts, let alone anything more complicated, but they were making progress and it would be both helpful to the Empire and the Orders as a whole if they were able to achieve any more success.

He wouldn't mind selling Natural Treasure rifts to specific Orders to make them more self-sufficient. It would also allow him a degree of leverage over the Orders which would help keep them inline more than an iron fist would.
Natural Treasures would probably be the major limiting factor for Knights I suppose. So this could supercharge an Empire elite track. Just hope the newer generations are indeed less of assholes.

Ra'thala was thoroughly unimpressed with the Empire's stance on things like office work. While he wasn't dismissive and Ra'thala clearly understood the need for such jobs, he saw them as useless at the scale the Empire used them.
Man, imagine ascending as the top of your entire realm at Tier 26, then finding like Tier 40+ paper pushers.

Overall, it was a fruitful and interesting two days that abruptly stopped when Ra'thala's [AI] finished being absorbed.

Pausing, Ra'thala wobbled slightly before looking around. "Now that is interesting."

Flexing his hand, he started feeling his way through the various functions while they called out helpful tips and tricks.
Oh yeah, since a major drawback of his cultivation is needing to concentrate on spinning it up, I wonder if an AI could help with that.
 
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Skills just appear in rifts sometime once they exist, yea.

I assume it's something like 'once you use it in some rifts, The Realm uses it and a rift that makes it can form.' Since I don't think drops change, probably not the same one it was used in.

The drawback of spinning up is pretty notable, yea- a clever way to do more with less, but overall a sizeable disadvantage. I can see why he was a bit confused at the start of their fight.

It's pretty hard to tell what bits of his very different style will be useful or not at this point- I mean, skills most likely, but the cultivation is way more of a question mark. Learn tricks to spread out, or create a new pathway? Hard to say. The fact that in his realm killing your advancement is apparently *way* easier makes me think interest will mostly be in making a hybrid style.

On the blank skill shards, Matt himself made some back in his early rift tests. He briefly assumed they were valuable, asked, got told that nah, they really don't have much value and only sporadic use, and then forgot about them.

On entertainment, I think there's a good number of entertainers but it's kinda in tiers. You mentioned planet, but then there'll probably be local duchy entertainment, definitely Kingdom, and finally Empire. Being Empire wide is relatively few, though even there Ascender-flicks may give us a warper perception, there could be a lot of films that have minor success empire wide as well as a smaller number of Big films empire wide, and we mostly see the latter. Most everyone wants to move up the chain, but some are likely to sit around and do work for the local worlds for many thousands of years. Cynthia was a single kingdom success with the pather war movie being her breakout to empire wide- and I don't think, pre-ascension, that'd have made her too big a name and she'd still have a lot to climb if it wasn't for Aster turning out to be an Ascender.
 
With skills there's the question of whether the realm creates them from nothing too, or just takes up and maybe adapts existing ones. Given the Tier 8 Bandage skill that was apparently new, skills can probably be created by rifts too.
 
With skills there's the question of whether the realm creates them from nothing too, or just takes up and maybe adapts existing ones. Given the Tier 8 Bandage skill that was apparently new, skills can probably be created by rifts too.
Or someone created it, didn't tell anyone and then died. I don't think it's falsifiable one way or the other. The realm is just too big.
 
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But then it would've shown up before, even if rarely. Bandage has been added to the pool, and it's shown up outside the empire as well.
Why would it have shown up before? The 'and died' wasn't the important part here. My point is there's no way to tell apart the cases of a) the realm created it and b) some unknown person created it and didn't publicise and then the realm started reproducing it. There are simply too many people too tell those cases apart in a state the size of the realm.

(To say nothing of the possibility of other great-state islands else where in the realm).
 
Why would it have shown up before? The 'and died' wasn't the important part here. My point is there's no way to tell apart the cases of a) the realm created it and b) some unknown person created it and didn't publicise and then the realm started reproducing it. There are simply too many people too tell those cases apart in a state the size of the realm.

(To say nothing of the possibility of other great-state islands else where in the realm).
There's a the pool of all possible skills. Any rift can rarely drop from it (with so restrictions on tier, probably, but that doesn't matter for a tier 8). If Bandage was already a skill rifts could drop, it would be in that pool, and very rarely someone would get it, so there is a way to tell. It would not be unknown, not across the trillions of delvers and millions of years, especially since it's a tier 8.

Now technically speaking, someone could've created bandage, gone into a rift and died, and the rift learned it that way, and then fairly soon after Matt set out to create a rift matching that skill and got it. That's possible, but also hilariously unlikely.
 
There's a the pool of all possible skills. Any rift can rarely drop from it (with so restrictions on tier, probably, but that doesn't matter for a tier 8). If Bandage was already a skill rifts could drop, it would be in that pool, and very rarely someone would get it, so there is a way to tell. It would not be unknown, not across the trillions of delvers and millions of years, especially since it's a tier 8.

Now technically speaking, someone could've created bandage, gone into a rift and died, and the rift learned it that way, and then fairly soon after Matt set out to create a rift matching that skill and got it. That's possible, but also hilariously unlikely.
It's also known that some skills show up in one of the Great Powers but not another. There's actually a large number of those. So there's a very real possibility that there was a human-created Bandage skill at one time, but it had dropped off the loot tables long enough ago that no one remembers it anymore, and then Matt's digging dug it back up.
 
It's also known that some skills show up in one of the Great Powers but not another. There's actually a large number of those. So there's a very real possibility that there was a human-created Bandage skill at one time, but it had dropped off the loot tables long enough ago that no one remembers it anymore, and then Matt's digging dug it back up.
Im pretty sure that's in the sense of having a reliable rift for it, not that they just never pop. The random drops wouldn't be enough for usage, because there's a lot of skills and a lot of pros who want them, but to identify it exists, it only needs to happen once. In any of the powers, and long term it won't stay secret because it's just to useful not to use.
 
Im pretty sure that's in the sense of having a reliable rift for it, not that they just never pop. The random drops wouldn't be enough for usage, because there's a lot of skills and a lot of pros who want them, but to identify it exists, it only needs to happen once. In any of the powers, and long term it won't stay secret because it's just to useful not to use.
The Emperor literally used the post-war negotiations to get a copy of the Glorious Thrusts of the Rooster (or whatever it was called) as a much-desired personal gift for one of his Kings. That's way past "Very few of them drop, so very few people get them."

The rarity you're describing would be "A guy like Fredrick has one or two in his collection." If he had had that one or two, he absolutely would have himself offered it as a gift prior to this, just for the influence gain.
 
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The Emperor literally used the post-war negotiations to get a copy of the Glorious Thrusts of the Rooster (or whatever it was called) as a much-desired personal gift for one of his Kings. That's way past "Very few of them drop, so very few people get them."

The rarity you're describing would be "A guy like Fredrick has one or two in his collection." If he had had that one or two, he absolutely would have himself offered it as a gift prior to this, just for the influence gain.
First, I think you're way overestimating the value and rarity of the rooster skill. That's a sex joke, and everyone involved knows it. There's good odds the sects were either playing along, seeing just how much they can get him to pay for the joke, or offended he's doing a sex joke with a valued skill. Depending on the person. Might even be all of them. Getting it as part of the war settlement is just part of the story/joke.

But it is true that it probably hasn't dropped in the Empire while he was looking. So it's not common, but enough to satify demand. But that's also only a few ten thousand years at absolute most, in one eighth of the realm.

We don't know how old the realm is, but it's at least a few million years, with trillions of delves every year. It would have to be truly, extraordinaryly rare to not turn up, ever. And more, I'm pretty sure we've heard of it popping up in the other great powers by now, which makes no sense if it is that rare.
 
So you start out by assuming that every skill that has ever been added to the lists must necessarily be random-droppable.

You then assume that adding it to the drop list of a dungeon cannot change the overall drop rate.

You've also assumed that it's the kind of thing that would necessarily have been remembered across the "Few million years" age of the realm, when we know that an entire intelligent species bloodline has been forgotten from earlier incarnations of said realm, save for one rift that happens to exist in sect lands.

You then leverage these assumptions to support your claim.

I don't think that any of those things are necessarily true.
 
So you start out by assuming that every skill that has ever been added to the lists must necessarily be random-droppable.

You then assume that adding it to the drop list of a dungeon cannot change the overall drop rate.

You've also assumed that it's the kind of thing that would necessarily have been remembered across the "Few million years" age of the realm, when we know that an entire intelligent species bloodline has been forgotten from earlier incarnations of said realm, save for one rift that happens to exist in sect lands.

You then leverage these assumptions to support your claim.

I don't think that any of those things are necessarily true.
Yup. Since we don't have any WOG, or in story confirmation, you have to go by assumptions.
The first one, assuming that some skills are are for some reason not droppable seems like the bigger assumption. And it wouldn't even matter, because Bandage has started dropping. We know it shows up.

The second, the nitpicky answer would be that the rift definitly changed the overall drop rate. What you probably mean is that I assume it was zero beforehand and then changed to something nonzero, while it could've been really small and changed to something bigger because of the rift with that skill. And you know, that is plausible. That, of course, is also an assumption, and I would say it being zero beforhand is simpler and therefore to be preferred, but this something you disagree with.

And on the third: A few million years is an absolute lower bound. There are living people that old. Aunt Helena, for example. The realm is likely way, way older than that. And saying an entire intelligent species bloodline has been forgotten is not correct. For one, they talk about it, it's obviously not forgotten. They just don't know if the big war killed every single member of the species, or if there's some survivors out there (which some guess at to explain why no more rifts with angels can be created). Which is very different from forgetting a very useful and widespread survival and medical tool. This isn't some obscure Tier 44 skill, it's tier 8 and every delver and healer who can get their hands on it. And even more, it was explicitly called out in story that the discovery of Bandage closed the long open question what a tier 8 healing skill would even look like, since the previously lowest was 14. So even if they somehow forgot Bandage specifically, they would've still know it existed.
 
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See, I think it splits down a bit differently from that.

Functionally, it wasn't dropping in any of the places where the Empire might have found it, and had not done so for a very long time. This is a fact. Matt created the rift, and it started dropping - rarely, but dropping nonetheless. This is also a fact. I do not dispute either of these things.

My real challenge is to the idea that every skill that ever was entered into the rift system must necessarily be on the big table of "This could drop anywhere. No, really." I use the fact that there are skills that are apparently readily available in other Great Powers but so rare in the Empire that Kings cannot get them as evidence of this. That's not just "they have a rift for it and we don't" levels. There are obviously locale differences, and they're apparently pretty extreme. Add to that the fact that the Great Powers that we know are effectively just "whatever we can connect together with warp portals" and there's a very real possibility that there are other Great Powers (or Lesser Powers) elsewhere out there at the same level who just aren't close enough to connect. If one of them has the local monopoly on a given skill, and those monopolies are as absolute as the Thrusts of the Rooster seem to suggest, then the Empire literally would have no way of knowing,

Similarly, if there are differences in place, then there might also be differences in time. We know that this place has deep history.

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According to legend, this rift dated all the way back to the Glorious Everlasting Kingdom of Prosperity. It was one of the few places that had survived the Shattering and provided a peek into ancient, ancient history. If that were true, it was basically a time capsule, a final, tenuous connection to something that everyone had long forgotten.

So it's entirely possible that a skill might have been discovered back some time during the Everlasting Kingdom of Prosperity, not had records make it through the Shattering, and then, if it somehow stopped dropping, just been utterly forgotten.

So, basically, we're left with two possibilities.
A - It's possible for rifts to spontaneously come up with new skills that have never existed before. Once they do that, the skills are added to the random drop table.
B - it's possible for skills to be somewhere in the Rift Database, but have a drop rate of 0% on the random drop table across large stretches of space and time. If that is the case, then creating a rift that would naturally drop them will put them back on the semi-local part of the drop table in a non-zero way.

At least one of these must be true. It could be both. I assert that there is a decent amount of evidence, in the form of local differences in availability (Thrusts of the Rooster), to suggest that B is pretty plausible. I think that any attempt to argue one way or the other on A comes back as a mass of questionmarks unless you're asserting that it must be A because B cannot be true. I assert that that argument itself is pretty weak, given the earlier bit about B being pretty plausible.
 
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It really comes down to if Thrusts of the Rooster is a really good skill in it's own right for reasons besides it's name. In general the very best stuff can't be bought even by kings* because whoever finds it uses it for themself. But it would be really odd if Thrust of the Rooster was such a powerful skill that anyone who gets it would want to use it.

Incidentally being hyper specialized in this world makes it much easier to buy good things that you want with just money. Loads of people will sell blood treasures if they aren't blood mages.
 
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